The Knights last 4 weeks.

[Spot On]

Yep no denying rich owners helps, but good management is needed to. Even with rich owners and huge off field advantages we were a laughing stock between 07-11
What talent has souths assembled with our might tpa's, guys like goodwin, gray, tyrell, turner, Carter, brown, gowielski, auva'a, walker, mcinnes why with our tpa's we've managed to stock our top 17 with super stars. .

C'mon mate. Any team would have a couple of Burgesses, and Inglis and your halves. With common sense on Daley's behalf, your halfback will start his origin career in a fortnight. Mlb have proven you can build a team around 3 or 4 superstars and make the semi's year after year. However, you cannot buy those superstars without TPAs, otherwise known as rorting the cap as has been proven by Mlb and Parra. Otrher clubs may be better at hidding their accounting and board minutes. ;-)

 

[Spot On]

I think the point Knights fans are making is that while the TPA issue isn't the sole factor for their situation, it's definitely a contributing factor. And it absolutely is, along with management issues. There is a huge gap between the TPAs some clubs can attract when compared to many others and Newcastle soak up a lot of their corporate sponsorship to run the club (I think someone else mentioned that too).

OMG. An individual whose comprehension skills are a salary cap and 2 million in TPAs above the average LU user. Well done mate.:thumb

 

[Spot On]

But Knights fans are using it as the sole excuse they are where they are, and as the sole excuse as to why they'll never be able to compete ever again (which is bullshit, Knights will rise again one day)

In a way tpa's are the reason Knights are in this mess, it was the use of promised tpa's that lured a bucketload of older experienced players to the clun while also allowing Knights to keep their now under performing developed players. Tpa's got them and bennett their and now that Tinkler and Bennett have split it's up to newcastle to recover from those decisions.

As for the nonsical notion that Tpa's make a club invincible and unbeatable, broncos who are the undisputed king of the tpa's has only challenged for the title a few times in the last decade, souths android roosters won a premiership each, but both took years to build to and now both teams are in decline, bulldogs have been consistent but olly really challenged in 2012, and eels have been a joke. In the same time teams like Cowboys and sharks, both who have been on the bottom any on the brink, have managed to build themselves up with similar resources to what the Knights have.

So yes TPA's are a contributing factor, yes a lack of tpa's makes it harder for Knights to rebuild, yes some clubs with access to tpa's have an advantage and find it easier to rebuild but also they aren't a guarantee of success, and no all of newcastle problems aren't down to lack of tpa's

Bennett chose to sign a few blokes on incredible money for long term deals which was coming directly from the cap. He is responsible for most of the cap mess Brown is now trying to clean up.

 

[DiegoNT]

C'mon mate. Any team would have a couple of Burgesses, and Inglis and your halves. With common sense on Daley's behalf, your halfback will start his origin career in a fortnight. Mlb have proven you can build a team around 3 or 4 superstars and make the semi's year after year. However, you cannot buy those superstars without TPAs (or rorting the cap).

You can take the bloody useless burgess twins.
We got them as big useless lumps from England, managed a dozen good games out of them in 2014 and now they have reverted to being big useless lumos
We had to get rid of half a dozen players to get sam back, including an aussir rep and 2 blokes who had played origin you'd think with our unfair tpa's we could of kept some of those blokes.
Our halfback was a junior we developed. According to many on here he is just a plodder who can kick, many would rate him in the bottom half of the comps starting halfbacks. His premiership halves partner, another one of our rookies, is set to leave because of salary cap restraints (amazing our unfair tpa's can't keep him)
As for Inglis, well apparently we got the fattest, laziest ans least important of Melbourne big 4. For the first year we were constants reminded we had overpaid for the useless bugger, why would souths pay so much for a centre. Then when we turned him into a first class fullback it's so unfair souths could have 1 great player.
In the last 5 years we've lost players like, Sandow, Taylor, farrell, everingham, asotasi, lima, teo, peats, luke, korisau, mcqueen, grant, starling, hunt, walker, stewart, grevsmuhl, L.Burgess (thank god),

 

[DiegoNT]

Bennett chose to sign a few blokes on incredible money for long term deals which was coming directly from the cap. He is responsible for most of the cap mess Brown is now trying to clean up.

No no no, you can't blame past decisions for the mess your in now, it's TPA's fault

This is what many on here have been trying to say, past management decisions under Bennett and tinkler have gotten you to where you are at the moment, and only good off-field management and a slow rebuild will get you out of it the same way the Cowboys and sharks have had to over the last decade (with them not being able to compete at the same level for tpa's that broncos amd roosters have)

 

[johnny plath]

The broncos don't lose juniors they rate Johnny Plath. Someone like Ash Taylor was let go for the obvious reason of 2 young halves having years of first grade left. The Broncs do it well, no denying that, but money aint an issue for a club with in excess of 2.4 mill in TPAs and a turnover of 26 million for which next to no profit is shown.

So where has the figure of 2.4 mill tpas come from. ..i thought values were unknown which is causing the call for more transparency. ..again people are plucking unsubstantiated numbers to support their view

 

[Bazal]

So where has the figure of 2.4 mill tpas come from. ..i thought values were unknown which is causing the call for more transparency. ..again people are plucking unsubstantiated numbers to support their view

TPAs need to be registered with the NRL still don't they?

 

[Perth Red]

Whose gettingg $2million plus in TPA's for their players? Even eels with cheating on TPA's wasn't getting that much for players. How about Melbourne? In an afl mad city where nearly every company is ploughing money into an afl team they have managed to build a decent team. Sharks have done it through hard work and good recruitment. Knights blaming tpa is just a massive excuse to not face up to up to their real problems.

 

[macavity]

Comprehension skills remain poor.

There are reasons we are in the hole.

There are reasons we are going to find it near impossible to climb out of the hole.

The two issues are related and there is overlap, but they are not not the same.

On topic, the NRL are picking up the tab and expect to pocket sale proceeds when they sell the club (that they got for nothing and are happy to see languish).

We should be turning down sponsors and telling them to throw TPAs at recruitment targets instead.

 

[Spot On]

So where has the figure of 2.4 mill tpas come from. ..i thought values were unknown which is causing the call for more transparency. ..again people are plucking unsubstantiated numbers to support their view

Andrew Webster has been reporting for weeks now that the Broncs stated they have in excess of 2.4 million in TPAs. I've also heard that amount being stated by others on sports radio shows and footy shows. You can always contact Webster and ask him to clarify if you don't believe him. The Broncos certainly haven't denied it.

 

[macavity]

Whose gettingg $2million plus in TPA's for their players? Even eels with cheating on TPA's wasn't getting that much for players. How about Melbourne? In an afl mad city where nearly every company is ploughing money into an afl team they have managed to build a decent team. Sharks have done it through hard work and good recruitment. Knights blaming tpa is just a massive excuse to not face up to up to their real problems.

You are seriously using Melbourne as an example of building a team in a discussion about payments outside the cap?

The cognitive dissonance continues to astound.

 

[halfbackBENHUNT]

Knoughts won't win another game this year.

 

[Spot On]

You can take the bloody useless burgess twins.
We got them as big useless lumps from England, managed a dozen good games out of them in 2014 and now they have reverted to being big useless lumos
We had to get rid of half a dozen players to get sam back, including an aussir rep and 2 blokes who had played origin you'd think with our unfair tpa's we could of kept some of those blokes.
Our halfback was a junior we developed. According to many on here he is just a plodder who can kick, many would rate him in the bottom half of the comps starting halfbacks. His premiership halves partner, another one of our rookies, is set to leave because of salary cap restraints (amazing our unfair tpa's can't keep him)
As for Inglis, well apparently we got the fattest, laziest ans least important of Melbourne big 4. For the first year we were constants reminded we had overpaid for the useless bugger, why would souths pay so much for a centre. Then when we turned him into a first class fullback it's so unfair souths could have 1 great player.
In the last 5 years we've lost players like, Sandow, Taylor, farrell, everingham, asotasi, lima, teo, peats, luke, korisau, mcqueen, grant, starling, hunt, walker, stewart, grevsmuhl, L.Burgess (thank god),

Must hurt not having those players any more.:lol:

Were trying to make a point about your squad other than in your opinion it is shit?

 

[macavity]

Must hurt not having those players any more.:lol:

Were trying to make a point about your squad other than in your opinion it is shit?

I think his point is the ones Souths reject wouldn't even consider signing for the Knights

 

[Spot On]

Lol.


When you have a team of stars like Souths have, Origin and Internationals, you shouldn't be complaining. The TPA's are working just fine for the Bunnies. Maybe he should start looking at the favourable relationship that may exist between the owner and some of the squad to see the real problem.

 

[DiegoNT]

Lol.


When you have a team of stars like Souths have, Origin and Internationals, you shouldn't be complaining. The TPA's are working just fine for the Bunnies. Maybe he should start looking at the favourable relationship that may exist between the owner and some of the squad to see the real problem.

Newcastle have more origin players then souths

Players in souths squad who have played origin:
Inglis

Players in Newcastle squad who have played origin
Uate
Mullen
Hodkinson
Snowden
Gagai
James McManus

Granted snowden and mcmanus are now medically retired, but having them at the start of yhe year affected your recruitment.

Players who have played for one of the big 3 international teams
Souths: inglis, johnston, goodwin, burgess brothers

Knights: mata'utai, snowden*, smith, uate

 

[macavity]

Newcastle have more origin players then souths

Players in souths squad who have played origin:
Inglis

Players in Newcastle squad who have played origin
Uate
Mullen
Hodkinson
Snowden
Gagai
James McManus

Granted snowden and mcmanus are now medically retired, but having them at the start of yhe year affected your recruitment.

Players who have played for one of the big 3 international teams
Souths: inglis, johnston, goodwin, burgess brothers

Knights: mata'utai, snowden*, smith, uate

Isn't that a list of the reasons we suck? That we have paid market rate for those "origin" players?

 

[Spot On]

Whose gettingg $2million plus in TPA's for their players? Even eels with cheating on TPA's wasn't getting that much for players. How about Melbourne? In an afl mad city where nearly every company is ploughing money into an afl team they have managed to build a decent team. Sharks have done it through hard work and good recruitment. Knights blaming tpa is just a massive excuse to not face up to up to their real problems.

See above reply re Andrew Webster reporting the TPA amount in place at the Broncos. There's 1 NRL team in Brisbane. A whole city to themselves. Parra share the Sydney market with 8 other NRL teams.

Claims are that Corey Parker is on 250k under the cap at the Broncs. Milford knocked back enourmous money to leave Canberra. Now I loath player managers, but let's use some common sense here, his manager wouldn't advise him to eat dog shit for dinner when he could dine out for the rest of his life. There's plenty of TPA $$$ in Brissy.

 

[Spot On]

Mullen, Uate and McManus. Lol. Origin rejects not stars. Mentioning Snowden and Origin in the same sentence is worthy of being banned from this site. No club would pay 5 cents for those players, 2 of whom Bennett signed to 500K plus deals. Shiiiit.

The NSW Origin team is littered with players who should never have been given a run. Ever. Hence the reason we lose every year.

Hmm, Burgess x 3 and Inglis are probably not comparable to those players. :crazy:

I'm hoping Gagai is selected in the centres for QLD. It will give NSW a very good chance at scoring a couple of tries.

 

[DiegoNT]

Isn't that a list of the reasons we suck? That we have paid market rate for those "origin" players?

Yet if you had access to tpa's the same management that signed these players to big long term contracts will be trusted to make good decisions and you'll be able to compete with broncos and roosters :crazy::crazy: