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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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Brutus

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It talks about "assits" and "goals", I thought it was referring to union, I know nothing of AFL terminology.

But I don't like got chances, seeming as though during rugby league games they are advertising AFL shows like "before the bounce" and crap.


"assists" "goals" "best on ground"

flogball at its finest.
 

docbrown

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Nice to see Smith officially confirm pretty much everything I've said on this thread.

I am worried though about dropping back to the single friday game - this is a network push not LEK's - and I fear it will result in a Qld vs Nsw match up every week.

LEK have the data on the double headers including 2 QLD teams on F2A each week and will be pursuing it.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...tv-talks-roll-on/story-e6frg7mf-1226102362120

Stars face wait as TV talks roll on

Brent Read
From: The Australian
July 27, 2011 12:00AM

SOME of the game's biggest names may be forced to wait until midway through next year to settle their long-term futures as the game's era of uncertainty looks set to continue well into 2012.

While the independent commission is scheduled to begin on November 1, The Australian understands clubs were told last week that the broadcasting negotiations may not be finalised until possibly July or August next year.

That, in turn, means the salary cap for 2013 will not be finalised until after that. A host of high-profile players are off contract at the end of next season, chiefly Melbourne halfback Cooper Cronk and Canberra fullback Josh Dugan.

Both are expected to attract widespread interest, although clubs could be hamstrung in their ability to finalise deals until the salary cap is set in stone. That could mean waiting until the second half of next year.

The NRL has given clubs some hypothetical figures based on potential broadcasting deals, opening at $1 billion with a salary cap of $5.1 million. That appears to be the starting point for 2013, although NRL chief executive David Gallop confirmed the cap would hinge on the outcome of negotiations.

Under the terms of the existing broadcast deal, Network Nine has a three-month window for first and last rights.

If it uses all that time, and the NRL takes the rights to market, the entire process could take more than seven months.

With November 1 as a starting point, it would mean the broadcasting rights would be in limbo until June.

Hence the uncertainty for clubs as they look towards 2013.

"There is a process under the existing broadcasting arrangement that needs to be followed," Gallop said.

"That may take some months or it may happen very quickly. It will be a matter for how the negotiations play out.

"Certainly, we envisage taking our rights to the market to get the best value we can."

Adding to the uncertainty is the nervous wait for the independent commission to be handed control of the game by the Australian Rugby League and News Limited (publisher of The Australian).

While officials are confident they can have it in place by November 1, it is understood there are as many as 15 issues that need to be resolved. None are considered serious enough to halt the march towards independence, although the number of issues indicates there is work to be done before the process is finalised.

Meanwhile, briefing of the eight commissioners is expected to continue as Gallop and chairman-elect John Grant carry on talks designed to bring commissioners up to speed.

Some of those commissioners will be at the forefront of the broadcasting talks given a sub-committee will deal with the negotiations.

However, they need to get their heads around the game's broader issues and the work the NRL has carried out with consultant Colin Smith, who has been at the forefront of planning for the media negotiations.
 

Perth Red

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interesting that they think a $1bill deal = just $5.1mill salary cap. Presuming 18 teams that is less than 50% of the TV income and less than the current ratio. Doubt the players will be very impressed. Presuming the club grant is slightly higher, say $6mill per team that leaves the IC with a whopping $92mill + other income of around $50-100mill to spend on the game.
 

Quidgybo

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interesting that they think a $1bill deal = just $5.1mill salary cap. Presuming 18 teams that is less than 50% of the TV income and less than the current ratio. Doubt the players will be very impressed. Presuming the club grant is slightly higher, say $6mill per team that leaves the IC with a whopping $92mill + other income of around $50-100mill to spend on the game.
As was pointed out in the articles published the day after the estimates were presented, they are based on exactly the same percentage of total revenue that the clubs get now - around 37%. The clubs were told the percentage may be adjusted depending on exactly how much money they end up with but they wanted to keep it very conservative and so used the current figure for the estimates.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/tv-riches-to-eclipse-afl-deal/story-e6frep5x-1226099327176

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...dwarf-afl-rights/story-e6frg7mf-1226099312220

Leigh
 
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El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-million-dollars/story-e6frg7mf-1226103762752

NRL might be in dreamland, but it's feeling like a million dollars

Patrick Smith
From: The Australian
July 29, 2011 12:00AM

THE AFL would not say this publicly, because it is the home of too many fine men and women, and thus it would consider it impolite to suggest the NRL was barking mad if it actually thought it would get as much as $1.4 billion for its broadcast rights.

Such reserve would have nothing to do with the chance that to deride the NRL claim would be inflammatory in what is an increasingly sensitive struggle between both codes to define their roles in Australia's sporting culture.

And, yes, you are right to be surprised that the AFL would be considered so polite given that its chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, dressed in camouflage, chairs meetings with a pack of attack dogs, fed once every other week, straining on their AFL-endorsed choker chains.

But we don't need Demetriou to tell us the NRL might well have redefined optimism. Not that he has. No senior AFL spokesman has made comment. But colleague and The Australian's media expert James Chessell wrote insightfully on Monday that, well, "tell 'em they're dreaming".

Roughly, Chessell's assessment was based thus: that a competition which has two teams up and running from next season in every state bar Tasmania - where it will have a two-team presence - is going to have more negotiating clout than a two-state competition that has sprouted a club in Melbourne and another in Auckland.

In any given week from next season the AFL will have one game being played in every state, every round, Tasmania aside. This year it has taken its game from Darwin, down the seaboard to Cairns, Brisbane, the Gold Coast, Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart and around to Adelaide and Perth. That, by any description, is a national coverage even if AFL might not be the national sport. Yet even with just a two-state dominance - NSW and Queensland - the NRL has a 60 per cent grab of the Australian population.

There are inherent problems in the NRL game itself as Chessell has pointed out. It runs for just two hours and it does not have the natural breaks for commercials that the AFL game has, or at least, has manipulated. To run it into 6pm Sunday news programs, the NRL would have to start a game at 4pm. That would hurt crowd figures and late finishes in the dusk-to-dark are not ideal for unsophisticated suburban grounds.

So why the NRL optimism? Firstly, the rights were undersold last deal and this time around the Seven Network is in for the kill. To take the NRL away from Nine would be a deadly blow to a network that has rolled over so lamely to Seven as the most significant force in Australian television. So, with Nine holding the first and last rights, its final bid will be determined not so much by its own good sense but by Seven's or any other party's aggression.

While the $1.4bn screaming headline might not have been what David Gallop wanted or predicted following last week's briefing with club bosses, it has done him or the game no harm.

Through experience in all Australian football, there is nothing so debilitating than codes being scared about their immediate future. It hurts everything. Playing performance, member support, attendance, sponsorship. The negative media coverage breaks the spirit. Every code has felt that. No one is quite certain even now whether North Melbourne writhes with excitement or is rehearsing its death throes.

Off the back of a bunch of positive figures and feelings, the NRL is walking now with a jaunt and not a limp. Clubs can work with greater energy and enthusiasm knowing considerable help is on its way, be it with the low estimate of $1bn for the broadcast rights or the top figure of $1.4bn.

Confidence, too, that by November the game will be led by an independent commission. It might have come begrudgingly but new governance is here. No matter how altruistically News Limited (publisher of The Australian) and the ARL tackled issues confronting the sport, it was compromise management at best.

This year, TV audiences have grown by 20 per cent and the Monday night experience has been revitalised. The more the NRL feels better about itself, the harder it will be for the AFL administration to convince its own clubs that it must continue to contribute to the code's $400 million expansion into the northern markets. And, as the dispute between the players and the AFL makes only the most sluggish progress, it is fair for the players to insist money be spent on them and not some feel-good but fruitless crusade up north.

The NRL might not make $1.4bn with its next broadcast rights. More important than that at the moment is that the sport is genuinely optimistic. And feeling a million dollars.
 

docbrown

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http://www.encoremagazine.com.au/annual-subscription-tv-advertising-revenue-rises-9662

It was announced today that advertising revenue from subscription TV grew by 7.4% between financial years 2010 and 2011. Subscription TV reaches approximately 6 million people on a weekly basis and has been the fastest growing media in Australia with advertising up 22.3% since 2008.
The Ernst & Young report compiled for ASTRA (Australian Subscription Television & Radio Association) found net ad revenues of over $180,076,000 from 1 January 2011 to 30 June 2011, with a complete total of nearly $386 million for the financial year.
In a statement, Petra Buchanan, CEO of ASTRA said, “Even in a cautious market, subscription television continues to provide advertisers with the opportunities to reach targeted audiences. Integration of brand products and services to technologies, such as the red and green button, has enabled advertisers to drive relevant, specific and engaging content to viewers. It has also helped media agencies offer more value to brands by aligning services with targeted viewer interests.”

That's $386,000,000 a year from advertising alone, not to mention subscriptions and live sport - Rugby League in particular - is responsible for the majority of those subscriptions and creating that targeted audience base.

Take those Rugby League viewers away from Foxtel and watch the advertisers flee.

Both directly and indirectly, the NRL are responsible for generating at least $200,000,000 of that revenue base. We need to be getting at least half of that at the bare minimum.
 
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Billythekid

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That's if you exclude the amount of money they get form subscriptions by having league.

'Roughly, Chessell's assessment was based thus: that a competition which has two teams up and running from next season in every state bar Tasmania - where it will have a two-team presence - is going to have more negotiating clout than a two-state competition that has sprouted a club in Melbourne and another in Auckland.'

I just love the spin with comments like this. We have 'just sprouted' a club in Melbourne and Auckland and yet the AFL's teams in NSW and QLD (60% of the australian) market have just come about organically. F*ck off. At least there is demand for RL in NZ, the AFL have forced their teams onto the NSW and QLD markets and no matter how much money they throw at those states no one watches the sh*t.

The comparison doesn't look so good when you take into account that no one has any interest at all in the teams in NSW and QLD (which remember make up the majority of the Australian market).

I said it recently but i'll say it again anyway. We have a team in NQLD, GC, Brisbane, Sydney (and surrounding suburbs), Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne and NZ. We will soon have a team in Perth and potentially a team on the CC (and probably another NZ team).

The AFL will have a team in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. That's far better coverage amiright?

They literally don't cover any of regional Australia (lol is that some place in never never land?) and their presence in Sydney and Brisbane is unwelcome at best.

The AFL don't have better coverage than us and the only reason this is a common sentiment is because they talk themselves up whilst we talk ourselves down. Lets have some people come out and publicly say this stuff.
 
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docbrown

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That's if you exclude the amount of money they get form subscriptions by having league.

'Roughly, Chessell's assessment was based thus: that a competition which has two teams up and running from next season in every state bar Tasmania - where it will have a two-team presence - is going to have more negotiating clout than a two-state competition that has sprouted a club in Melbourne and another in Auckland.'

I just love the spin with comments like this. We have 'just sprouted' a club in Melbourne and Auckland and yet the AFL's teams in NSW and QLD (60% of the australian) market have just come about organically. F*ck off. At least there is demand for RL in NZ, the AFL have forced their teams onto the NSW and QLD markets and no matter how much money they throw at those states no one watches the sh*t.

The comparison doesn't look so good when you take into account that no one has any interest at all in the teams in NSW and QLD (which remember make up the majority of the Australian market).

I said it recently but i'll say it again anyway. We have a team in NQLD, GC, Brisbane, Sydney (and surrounding suburbs), Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne and NZ. We will soon have a team in Perth and potentially a team on the CC (and probably another NZ team).

The AFL will have a team in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. That's far better coverage amiright?

They literally don't cover any of regional Australia (lol is that some place in never never land?) and their presence in Sydney and Brisbane is unwelcome at best.

The AFL don't have better coverage than us and the only reason this is a common sentiment is because they talk themselves up whilst we talk ourselves down. Lets have some people come out and publicly say this stuff.

Oh yes. That ad revenue doesn't include inscription costs.

Regarding regional Australia check out this -

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110728-729966.html

SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--The head of Austar United Communications Ltd. (AUN.AU) on Friday said he's still confident the pay-TV company will be bought by Foxtel despite the competition regulator's misgivings.
"I am confident that once the ACCC reviews our submissions there will be a reasonable result," Chief Executive John Porter said in a statement.
In its preliminary view of the A$2.5 billion deal, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, or ACCC, last week said it would substantially lessen competition in pay-TV services, TV content and several markets for telecommunications products.
It has asked for further submissions from the companies before it makes a final decision, due Sept. 8.
Austar on Friday also reported a large increase in net profit for the six months to June 30 to A$88.7 million from A$20.7 million a year earlier. The figure, however, includes a A$95.8 million gain on the sale of spectrum licenses to Australia's national high-speed broadband network and mobile sales.
Revenue was flat at A$351.8 million.
"This is due to the impact of natural disasters in regional Australia earlier this year and increased promotions and credits, offset by the continued growth in television subscribers and an increase in average revenue per user," the company said in its half year accounts.
Total subscribers of 764,250 at June 30 were up 8,609 from March 31.
Foxtel is owned jointly by Telstra Corp. (TLS), News Corp. (NWS) and Consolidated Media Holdings Ltd. (CMJ.AU).
-By Ross Kelly, Dow Jones Newswires; 61-2-8272-4692; Ross.Kelly@dowjones.com


Austar - which services regional Australia, generates $351.8 million from ad and subscription revenue annually.


They have 764,250 subscribers. A major proportion of those subscribers are generated from Rugby League.



On a Saturday night when we have clashing 7:30pm games, you can see more than 250,000 Austar viewers watching the matches - but keep in mind that not all Rugby League fans will tune in because they may not support those teams nor do all subscribers necessarily watch tv at that time.



But to have at any one time 25% of your subscriber base watching only one programme - that's shows just how dependent they are on Rugby League.


With the Foxtel take over of Austar there will be cost cutting and streamlining generating even more profit for those organisations.


The NRL deserves - and should demand - a bigger cut.
 

Billythekid

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They keep using the excuse that all that matters is potential growth and that's why they underpay us. That would be partly true if all their money came from subscriptions.

I didn't realise just how much they got from ad revenue. Even if they pull out the BS that there is no growth room in NSW and QLD they still should pay us more just for the ads.

We should be trying to get just as much as the AFL from fox.

Hopefully this streamlining of the regional areas for both FTA and fox will finally stop this crap of pretending that regional areas don't exist.
 

El Diablo

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perhaps there will be no money left though once the second and far more destructive wave of the GFC hits
 

docbrown

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if 9's first bid isfor 5 years then i don't think you could say we're only opting for 2

Break the F&LR

You only need to worry about it if the existing rights owners are playing it cheap.

Remember - it's easier for a rival network to finance 2 years than 5
 

smithie

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Another huge ratings night for the NRL.

11 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football - Nine - 714,000 (Total) - 454,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 260,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

16 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 19: North Melbourne Vs Carlton - Seven - 529,000 (Total) - 8,000 (Syd) - 305,000 (Mel) - 6,000 (Bris) - 120,000 (Adel) - 90,000 (Per)

30 Nine’s Friday Night Football - Nine - 281,000 (Total) - 184,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 97,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/07/week-31-4.html
 
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