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Time for Moylan to 5/8

betcats

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I want Moylan to shift too the halves as much as anyone and I do believe he has some inadequacies in his game as a FB but that being said I still think he is a very good FB. We would be well served with him there for his entire career but I think he will be a great half when he is allowed to just focus on that and I don't think he would be happy to just play FB for us for the rest of his career. At the moment he is defending at FB which is the hardest part of the position and attacking as a half, so he is basically playing two of the most important and difficult positions in footy at once and doing a good job which says a lot about what a quality footballer he is but I have no doubt that trying to do both would take away from each other a bit.
 

Pomoz

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Betcats (edit, sorry it should be Mxlegend) your comments about Moylan and Edwards physiques just shows life's genetic lottery. Moylan could dine on protien supplements like Monsieur Creosote and sleep with a dumbell but will always be lean and rangy. Mansour is a raging bull. He probably puts muscle on just driving past a gym.

At 17 and playing in the centres, Fittler made established first grade centre Col Bentley look like the 'before' photo in an ad for Fitness First. I wonder whether Edwards is gonna be Fittler or Moylan in build?
 

forby

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Can we please put this to bed now. It ain't gonna happen this year, and if TMM is as good as we think it ain't gonna happen at all! With DWZ and Sauce outside him does it matter if his kick return stats aren't as good as other fb's? The chemistry is working at the moment so why change it?
 

billypilgrimnz

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Can we please put this to bed now. It ain't gonna happen this year, and if TMM is as good as we think it ain't gonna happen at all! With DWZ and Sauce outside him does it matter if his kick return stats aren't as good as other fb's? The chemistry is working at the moment so why change it?

Because it could be better? Pretty straightforward, no? We had a chance to see if it would have been better and blew it.
 
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At this point we have no reason to believe TMM is a better first grader than Edwards. Moylan is a 6 and probably the best 6 in the world and should be treated as such
 

Fibroman

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Do we want to win the premiership this year or just make the 8 and say we nearly did it? I don't know about you poor excuses for population paste that should have been swallowed, but I want us to win. For that to happen, Moylan needs to have 6 on his back and cartwright needs 11.
 

chrisD

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lol Cartwright in the 11.

6-4 and the ball goes to Cartwright on the left side of the field running on the inside of the second rower's hip who does what the actual second rower does and runs the straight line. The defence compresses, Cartwright turns in under the half, runs sideways, picks his spot and scores.

Mansour makes a break out of our own end. Cartwright calls the ball in about the middle of the park, Cleary gives it onto him, Cartwright distributes it, early long ball to Yeo, time, space, shit defence on their heels and a strong run, another try.

Next set Cartwright kicks on the last, it lands a metre inside the goal line high enough for the defence to get there when it lands, and he helps force the drop out. Following set he takes a long ball from Cleary heading to the outside, dragging the defence with him and opening up the inside where he lays a short ball onto RCG's chest for the try assist.

22-4, his work done, thanks for coming Tigers. And this is the player you clueless muppets want to anchor to one side of the field in the role of running straight and hard without ball playing, a role many many players can do and that indeed Yeo and JFH are doing, fantastically.

The game was in the balance, then Cartwright happened. He asserted himself all across the field, ball running, ball distribution, ball playing and kicking. Then the game was over.
 
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Doomednow

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Great Chris you just posted the same content 3 times.

Cartwright did OK but he was exceptionally lucky none of his mistakes amounted to any great loss.
 

betcats

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lol Cartwright in the 11.

6-4 and the ball goes to Cartwright on the left side of the field running on the inside of the second rower's hip who does what the actual second rower does and runs the straight line. The defence compresses, Cartwright turns in under the half, runs sideways, picks his spot and scores.

Mansour makes a break out of our own end. Cartwright calls the ball in about the middle of the park, Cleary gives it onto him, Cartwright distributes it, early long ball to Yeo, time, space, shit defence on their heels and a strong run, another try.

Next set Cartwright kicks on the last, it lands a metre inside the goal line high enough for the defence to get there when it lands, and he helps force the drop out. Following set he takes a long ball from Cleary heading to the outside, dragging the defence with him and opening up the inside where he lays a short ball onto RCG's chest for the try assist.

22-4, his work done, thanks for coming Tigers. And this is the player you clueless muppets want to anchor to one side of the field in the role of running straight and hard without ball playing, a role many many players can do and that indeed Yeo and JFH are doing, fantastically.

The game was in the balance, then Cartwright happened. He asserted himself all across the field, ball running, ball distribution, ball playing and kicking. Then the game was over.

How hard is it to understand he can still have that freedom playing as an edge back rower. Players aren't cookie cut outs that have to play the same way. Bryce has pretty much never been locked to an edge even when playing there you are being ridiculous it's like a fantasy you have created to make a good argument, we scored 40 points last week and he didn't set up any of it. Putting him in edge just takes the pressure off him to create, he will still have the freedom to do what likes and drift across the field, he just won't be forced to try and create when nothing's on which is generally when he comes up with something terrible and he doesn't have to organise and lead our sets up the field etc which he isn't really doing anyway, put him in 11 and tell him to inject himself whenever we have some momentum or field position, the rest of the time play as a running forward which he is very good at. Honestly you are the clueless muppet if you think playing him on edge means he is stuck there.
 
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snickers007

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Players aren't cookie cut outs that have to play the same way

The same argument can be made for keeping Moylan at Fullback.

Just because other teams have strong kick returners in the #1 doesn't mean we should. Players aren't cookie cut outs that have to play the same way.
 

Pomoz

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Was it Andrew Johns who said that RCG looked like Freddie Mercury with that moustache? LOL.
 

mxlegend99

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The same argument can be made for keeping Moylan at Fullback.

Just because other teams have strong kick returners in the #1 doesn't mean we should. Players aren't cookie cut outs that have to play the same way.
Except you WANT a fullback who can return kicks well. Why wouldn't you?

Whether it's through size, speed or strength it doesn't matter. But it's an area you would like your fullback to excel in. You want a player the opposition are scared to kick to.
 

Abacus

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The thing is Moylan is our best fullback by quite some distance. DWZ showed again last night that he lacks the safety under the high ball as well as the footy IQ to play fullback at NRL level. Obviously Griffin considers Moylan at fullback with Cartwright at 5/8 a stronger option than Moylan at 5/8 and ??? at fullback. Given the performance over the back end of the season, I'm not going to argue with him.
 

Abacus

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Much better than DWZ under the high ball. Generally the ones Moylan drops are where he is having to attack the ball over the top of other players and struggling to get a clean grab.
 

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