Time for Moylan to 5/8

[umina panther]

My biggest issue with how this season has panned out is the fact we have continued to select players out of there best positions when clearly it has not worked.

You can get away with makeshift's here and there, every now and again but not week in week out.

Personally, as I have said before I don't think Matty Moylan is a 5/8 but he would and should have been selected there before Bryce Cartwright. The balance of the side would have been so much better.

It's largely too late now, we are unlikely to make the eight as I simply don't see us winning 3 or 4 of our remaining games to make the eight. We have won more than two back to back this season and while we once thought we had an easy run in that is no longer this case.

Interested to hear your opinion as to why he's not a 5/8? You a one of a very few and it makes no sense to me

 

[martielang]

Moylan played 7 and 6 for the U20s..... he wasn't really a stand out TBH. He looked much better when he went to fullback.

 

[betcats]

The last two weeks he has played more 5/8 than Cartwright in attack. He basically is playing 5/8 when we have the ball and defending at FB, its silly not move him. Watch how often he is the first or second receiver on Monday.

 

[Panther Mick]

and if we keep him at Fullback and play a half like Martin we will have two 5/8's on the field, to complement the lack of a play making options at hooker or lock that some teams have.

 

[ACTPanthers]

and if we keep him at Fullback and play a half like Martin we will have two 5/8's on the field, to complement the lack of a play making options at hooker or lock that some teams have.

Cooks, kitchens, Chiefs and Indians all come to mind with that

 

[Panther Mick]

Cooks, kitchens, Chiefs and Indians all come to mind with that

Most teams have 3 play makers in their sides. Fullback,5/8 and half, or fullback half and hooker. or the 5/8, half and Lock.
Griffin doesn't want a play making hooker and Merrin at lock isn't play maker either.

 

[Whino]

No cooks produce no broth. Saints are proof of that.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Moylan played 7 and 6 for the U20s..... he wasn't really a stand out TBH. He looked much better when he went to fullback.

Hes 5 years out of 20's , things change , his pace & size may have cut it at u20's for fullback but it doesn't in the NRL anymore.

If they did he'd have more line breaks.

 

[herbert henry1908]

and if we keep him at Fullback and play a half like Martin we will have two 5/8's on the field, to complement the lack of a play making options at hooker or lock that some teams have.

Merrin & Cartwright are two of the best off loaders in the game , that is playmaking options.

 

[betcats]

The only team that actually uses anything like a playmaking lock is the Titans and Greg bird, it's a thing of the past.

Cartwright legit can be a better playmaker and ball player then a lot halves in the game he just has to improve his decision making, he is already more skilled then a lot of them he just isn't consistent yet.

 

[Whino]

Merrin & Cartwright are two of the best off loaders in the game , that is playmaking options.

They are ball playing forwards that can't kick. Moylan, Martin and Cleary are the future playmakers. DWZ should learn to play centre or seek opportunities elsewhere.

 

[TheFrog]

Most teams have 3 play makers in their sides. Fullback,5/8 and half, or fullback half and hooker. or the 5/8, half and Lock.
Griffin doesn't want a play making hooker and Merrin at lock isn't play maker either.

So who is this playmaking hooker he doesn't want? Segeyaro?

The truth is we need Wallace's defence to cover for some of the forwards who are a bit lacking in that area.

Merrin is a playmaker in the same way John Cartwright was. He slips clean ball away when it appears he is wrapped up. I don't call that a playmaker, I call that a forward with ball skills.

 

[herbert henry1908]

They are ball playing forwards that can't kick. Moylan, Martin and Cleary are the future playmakers. DWZ should learn to play centre or seek opportunities elsewhere.

Sure , but my point was they are additional options.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Merrin is a playmaker in the same way John Cartwright was. He slips clean ball away when it appears he is wrapped up. I don't call that a playmaker, I call that a forward with ball skills.

Whatever you call it , it creates try scoring opportunities and more than makes up for the lack of a play making hooker.

We have plenty of passing is the point.

 

[maple_69]

I think what we are really lacking at the moment is a pure try scorer. Moylan, Martin, Cleary, Cartwright, Wallace, Latu, Peachey, JFH, Merrin can all lay on a try. Mansour is getting there and Peachey can sniff out a try but we need Grevsmuhl, Blake, DWZ and Yep to be popping up and icing plays a lot more.

It's all about cohesion, time together and confidence though. We build some of that and there is huge improvement left in everyone in our squad except maybe Merrin, Wallace and in future Tamou.

 

[Kilkenny]

Interested to hear your opinion as to why he's not a 5/8? You a one of a very few and it makes no sense to me

Personally, I think his best position is in the number 1. Having said that I am not adverse to him playing in the 5/8 role for us and having either Hardaker or DWZ in the fullback role.

The Bryce experiment in the 5/8 role has not been successful and detrimental for Bryce. Far to much pressure on him when he is not natural in the role.

I think depending on the outcome of Monday night's game, if we lose, coach Griffin should throw caution to wind and if TMM is not ready then nothing to lose by throwing Moylan into 5/8.

Some on here are complaining about Moylan being too slow, being dominated bring the ball back. That is BS in my opinion, from the perspective most if not all fullbacks with no room to move get dominated on returning kicks. I have no issue with his kick returns as he is no different to most other fullbacks in the comp.

My biggest issue with how this season has evolved is playing players away from there best and natural position does not work long term. It may work for a week or two here and there but it just doesn't work long term. This is one of the major reasons we haven't been able to string more than two wins together back to back.

 

[GongPanther]

I'll sum up this season as a work in progress,highlighted by some running alterations.

We manage a way of getting into the finals,It'll be a bonus.

 

[Kilkenny]

Surprising response by Gus Gould in a recent twitter feed in relation to Moylan when he responded with a 'time will tell' answer in relation to a question whether Moylan's future is at fullback or 5/8. First time he has sat on the fence on this issue given his previous responses have always been solid, fullback.

 

[Doomednow]

Gus is back on twitter? Haha he can't stay away.

Interesting stat on reddit today - Josh Dugan is 500 days without a try assist. Not too long ago some seriously considered him to be in the top 2 fullbacks in the comp because he's a strong runner.

So if you've got Dugan on one side (runs, kick returns, no passing game) and Moylan (sorta runs, weak kick returns, great passing game) on the other, who would you prefer at full back right now in this team?

 

[betcats]

Right now I would not swap Moylan for Dugan but give Cleary a couple years to develop and maybe I would, its worth noting how much of a better defensive fb dugan is as that is quite valuable.

Anyway Gus probably just got sick of arguing with everyone when he insists Moylan is a FB.