WA BEARS

[MugaB]

They arnt some botched together merger playing home games in 2 different cities.

Dragons nickname is St.Merge, they play in both Wollongong and Sydney

 

[MugaB]

I don't think the swans survive because they are a relocated team. That's a long bow. Do they play home games in Melb?
I don't see the comparison really. Sth Melb weren't a second division team.

Neither were the bears, till the NRL decided on shrinking the comp and forcing mergers...
Your being disingenuous to a brand that had started when the comp started, fair enough, you live there so you'd rather have a fresh local WA ideal as your brand... maybe the perth reds, pirates, pumas or something else... but the ARLC are counting on the other stakeholders to accept a WA franchise, based on no elite juniors that they (other clubs) can poach if they go to market... all they see is another club reaching into their own pockets again... instead of a possible 2nd grade East tigers, Ipswich jets or Norths bears, bringing that to the table... and yes they'll still poach as perth will also do the same, but atleast its not all one way....
The other issue isn't money, viability isn't a problem anymore, dependant on the broadcast money, as abdo had already streamlined clubs expenditure, and worked out a soft cap so that teams wouldn't blow their budget.... travelling is also factored in too, so the reds issues in 95-97, would never exist, aswell as playing on a cricket field.. so i see Perth as a no brainer to expand to, whether its the bears branding or not... but it's the juniors that will filter thru to top grade is what the issue is... will the clubs accept another new franchise, stealling their development squads for the next 5-10 years till they come good, otherwise might aswell go back to Brisbane 3 as the 18th team

 

[Wb1234]

ARL Team of the Century. Met him once at Lang Park.

Wowsa

 

[Wb1234]

Neither were the bears, till the NRL decided on shrinking the comp and forcing mergers...
Your being disingenuous to a brand that had started when the comp started, fair enough, you live there so you'd rather have a fresh local WA ideal as your brand... maybe the perth reds, pirates, pumas or something else... but the ARLC are counting on the other stakeholders to accept a WA franchise, based on no elite juniors that they (other clubs) can poach if they go to market... all they see is another club reaching into their own pockets again... instead of a possible 2nd grade East tigers, Ipswich jets or Norths bears, bringing that to the table... and yes they'll still poach as perth will also do the same, but atleast its not all one way....
The other issue isn't money, viability isn't a problem anymore, dependant on the broadcast money, as abdo had already streamlined clubs expenditure, and worked out a soft cap so that teams wouldn't blow their budget.... travelling is also factored in too, so the reds issues in 95-97, would never exist, aswell as playing on a cricket field.. so i see Perth as a no brainer to expand to, whether its the bears branding or not... but it's the juniors that will filter thru to top grade is what the issue is... will the clubs accept another new franchise, stealling their development squads for the next 5-10 years till they come good, otherwise might aswell go back to Brisbane 3 as the 18th team

(( applause ))

also away fans in Sydney means more money for Sydney clubs as bears vs basically zero as anything else

 

[Iamback]

Neither were the bears, till the NRL decided on shrinking the comp and forcing mergers...
Your being disingenuous to a brand that had started when the comp started, fair enough, you live there so you'd rather have a fresh local WA ideal as your brand... maybe the perth reds, pirates, pumas or something else... but the ARLC are counting on the other stakeholders to accept a WA franchise, based on no elite juniors that they (other clubs) can poach if they go to market... all they see is another club reaching into their own pockets again... instead of a possible 2nd grade East tigers, Ipswich jets or Norths bears, bringing that to the table... and yes they'll still poach as perth will also do the same, but atleast its not all one way....
The other issue isn't money, viability isn't a problem anymore, dependant on the broadcast money, as abdo had already streamlined clubs expenditure, and worked out a soft cap so that teams wouldn't blow their budget.... travelling is also factored in too, so the reds issues in 95-97, would never exist, aswell as playing on a cricket field.. so i see Perth as a no brainer to expand to, whether its the bears branding or not... but it's the juniors that will filter thru to top grade is what the issue is... will the clubs accept another new franchise, stealling their development squads for the next 5-10 years till they come good, otherwise might aswell go back to Brisbane 3 as the 18th team

Nailed it there

 

[Iamback]

(( applause ))

also away fans in Sydney means more money for Sydney clubs as bears vs basically zero as anything else

Also Bears fans will buy memberships, Their supporter base isn't big enough to support a full team but can add a some to the Perth based Members

 

[Perth Red]

Neither were the bears, till the NRL decided on shrinking the comp and forcing mergers...
Your being disingenuous to a brand that had started when the comp started, fair enough, you live there so you'd rather have a fresh local WA ideal as your brand... maybe the perth reds, pirates, pumas or something else... but the ARLC are counting on the other stakeholders to accept a WA franchise, based on no elite juniors that they (other clubs) can poach if they go to market... all they see is another club reaching into their own pockets again... instead of a possible 2nd grade East tigers, Ipswich jets or Norths bears, bringing that to the table... and yes they'll still poach as perth will also do the same, but atleast its not all one way....
The other issue isn't money, viability isn't a problem anymore, dependant on the broadcast money, as abdo had already streamlined clubs expenditure, and worked out a soft cap so that teams wouldn't blow their budget.... travelling is also factored in too, so the reds issues in 95-97, would never exist, aswell as playing on a cricket field.. so i see Perth as a no brainer to expand to, whether its the bears branding or not... but it's the juniors that will filter thru to top grade is what the issue is... will the clubs accept another new franchise, stealling their development squads for the next 5-10 years till they come good, otherwise might aswell go back to Brisbane 3 as the 18th team

The answer is to already have in principal agreements with at least one second grade club, ideally two as part of the bid development, as well as a clear strategy for developing the game in WA (Should be ARLC/NRLWA's job but hey ho) . That would allay those concerns without the huge risk of a Sydney owned and based club trying to convince a WA public and businesses to support them.

I think reality is regardless of structure that is going to happen. Look at Dolphins, strongest second grade club in the Qlnd but have basically signed 33/36 of first team players from other clubs, inc a number of talented youngsters not yet in first grade from other clubs.

 

[Canard]

I wouldn't say they are powerful, But if the $15m they have in sponsors is true.
Add that to the local guys that Perth can bring in partnered with the Junior Pathway and it is a very strong club. Same could be if the 2 unsuccessful QLD teams were to join Perth's bid

The Bears stating that they have $15M in sponsorship lined up, is good news for whoever is bidding for Team 18.

It means there is some pent up demand to sponsor an NRL team, so if I'm Perth or the Firehawks I'd be on the phone to said sponsors securing their commitment away from the Bears.

 

[Perth Red]

Also Bears fans will buy memberships, Their supporter base isn't big enough to support a full team but can add a some to the Perth based Members

If the club is reliant on a few thousand non ticketed memberships in Sydney and if the game in Sydney is reliant on a few hundred Bears fans attending then both are in trouble!

 

[Wb1234]

Also Bears fans will buy memberships, Their supporter base isn't big enough to support a full team but can add a some to the Perth based Members

Sydney clubs will have a big say on the makeup of the next team

obviously they will prefer the bears as they will generate between 40k to over 100k extra in gate revenue over something with no/little history like the pirates or even the reds

manly south’s roosters will get great benefits from bears fans going to their grounds

 

[Perth Red]

The Bears stating that they have $15M in sponsorship lined up, is good news for whoever is bidding for Team 18.

It means there is some pent up demand to sponsor an NRL team, so if I'm Perth or the Firehawks I'd be on the phone to said sponsors securing their commitment away from the Bears.

wooo hang on. Thats not what they said. Some articles say $15million 'endorsement' Some say $15million from 'investors'. That may be a very different thing from sponsorship. Investors expect ownership and returns.

 

[Bukowski]

Dragons nickname is St.Merge, they play in both Wollongong and Sydney

Yeah, no shit. Do we really want three dodgy merged clubs? You can't tell me saints and wests are great clubs/ business models

 

[MugaB]

The answer is to already have in principal agreements with at least one second grade club, ideally two as part of the bid development, as well as a clear strategy for developing the game in WA (Should be ARLC/NRLWA's job but hey ho) . That would allay those concerns without the huge risk of a Sydney owned and based club trying to convince a WA public and businesses to support them.

I think reality is regardless of structure that is going to happen. Look at Dolphins, strongest second grade club in the Qlnd but have basically signed 33/36 of first team players from other clubs, inc a number of talented youngsters not yet in first grade from other clubs.

That was going to happen, but they have a 2nd grade footy team to have their juniors progress to, less likely to go to market as often. What will Perth do?, cant say the same thing, they cant even match it with the SG ball teams... 5-10 ten year development
Basically the rest of the clubs will be feeding that perth team... might as well be based in ayers rock

 

[Perth Red]

Sydney clubs will have a big say on the makeup of the next team

obviously they will prefer the bears as they will generate between 40k to over 100k extra in gate revenue over something with no/little history like the pirates or even the reds

manly south’s roosters will get great benefits from bears fans going to their grounds

lol, what per game? You think between 1500 and 4000 Bears fans are going to turn up on a regular basis to games in Sydney? What clubs bring that many away fans to games in Sydney??

 

[Bukowski]

Neither were the bears, till the NRL decided on shrinking the comp and forcing mergers...
Your being disingenuous to a brand that had started when the comp started, fair enough, you live there so you'd rather have a fresh local WA ideal as your brand... maybe the perth reds, pirates, pumas or something else... but the ARLC are counting on the other stakeholders to accept a WA franchise, based on no elite juniors that they (other clubs) can poach if they go to market... all they see is another club reaching into their own pockets again... instead of a possible 2nd grade East tigers, Ipswich jets or Norths bears, bringing that to the table... and yes they'll still poach as perth will also do the same, but atleast its not all one way....
The other issue isn't money, viability isn't a problem anymore, dependant on the broadcast money, as abdo had already streamlined clubs expenditure, and worked out a soft cap so that teams wouldn't blow their budget.... travelling is also factored in too, so the reds issues in 95-97, would never exist, aswell as playing on a cricket field.. so i see Perth as a no brainer to expand to, whether its the bears branding or not... but it's the juniors that will filter thru to top grade is what the issue is... will the clubs accept another new franchise, stealling their development squads for the next 5-10 years till they come good, otherwise might aswell go back to Brisbane 3 as the 18th team

They would bring in partners to develop short term pathways without needing them share the ownership. Much like what Melb would do.
Shared ownership to fix a short term problem isn't the answer.

 

[MugaB]

Yeah, no shit. Do we really want three dodgy merged clubs? You can't tell me saints and wests are great clubs/ business models

Who cares, theyve both one a GF each... parra hasn't one since '86, warriors and titans have never... are we picking and choosing success or are you just stubborn coz you dont want to adopt an existing clubs brand

 

[Perth Red]

That was going to happen, but they have a 2nd grade footy team to have their juniors progress to, less likely to go to market as often. What will Perth, cant say the same thing, they cant even match it with the SG ball teams... 5-10 ten year development
Basically the rest of the clubs will be feeding that perth team... might as well be based in ayers rock

There is nothing Bears offer in that Dept that a partnership with Newton, Easts Tigers or one of the other NSWRL/QRL cups cant offer.

WA development is a whole different kettle of fish.

Nice strawman argument there.

 

[Bukowski]

That was going to happen, but they have a 2nd grade footy team to have their juniors progress to, less likely to go to market as often. What will Perth, cant say the same thing, they cant even match it with the SG ball teams... 5-10 ten year development
Basically the rest of the clubs will be feeding that perth team... might as well be based in ayers rock

I think national reserve grade will be in beforehand. So there would be no north Sydney in reserve grade.

 

[Perth Red]

Who cares, theyve both one a GF each... parra hasn't one since '86, warriors and titans have never... are we picking and choosing success or are you just stubborn coz you dont want to adopt an existing clubs brand

Probably like anyone who understands Perth he know that a FIFO NS Bears playing in Perth will be a disaster in the making. A West Coast Bears owned by WA and 100% based in WA, now thats a different proposition.

 

[Bukowski]

Who cares, theyve both one a GF each... parra hasn't one since '86, warriors and titans have never... are we picking and choosing success or are you just stubborn coz you dont want to adopt an existing clubs brand

There both basket cases. Id be happy with a full relocation . Is an NRL team offering to do that?