Just on the editing of posts. In my experience, nothing gets a moderator a bad name quicker than editing other people's posts. In some cases it is unavoidable (such as where there is something libellous or really offensive written), but in most cases I find it is better to pm the person involved and ask them to edit out the section or comment you find unacceptable. Most people know when they have gone too far and are willing to make the necessary changes.hot dog said:Falcon, you should be careful when editing posts that are clearly less offensive and personally violative than your own posts; others may interpret that as an abuse of power and you may find yourself in a situation.......
screeny,screeny said:Gentlemen,
I joined this forum especially to get in on this thread.
I have to say that you all sound like absolute children and the image of US RL you portray should make each and everyone of you ashamed.
Name calling and insults and the revelations that the AMNRL competition is really amateurish.
I'm sure it's a good comp but you lot make it sound as though it's a pie of sh*t run by fools.
Shame on you all.
I fully expect to be insulted myself now for the above comments but you lot really should take a look at yourselves and the impression you convey of your domestic league. It's pitiful.
Roopy, your post was well taken until you said 'the only thing that's shameful is your attitude' directed at me!!!!roopy said:screeny,screeny said:Gentlemen,
I joined this forum especially to get in on this thread.
I have to say that you all sound like absolute children and the image of US RL you portray should make each and everyone of you ashamed.
Name calling and insults and the revelations that the AMNRL competition is really amateurish.
I'm sure it's a good comp but you lot make it sound as though it's a pie of sh*t run by fools.
Shame on you all.
I fully expect to be insulted myself now for the above comments but you lot really should take a look at yourselves and the impression you convey of your domestic league. It's pitiful.
I have played in the second oldest comp in Australia (founded 1910) and the squabbling, name calling, insults and petty rivalries in that comp make the AMNRL look like angels in comparison.
In the end the AMNRL is a six year old comp in a non RL playing country - of course they are not yet the most professional league in the world, but by any measure they are doing an outstanding job. Every year the comp gets bigger and every year the standard of play leaps ahead - where else can you say that - maybe Ireland, maybe Russia, but definately not Australia, England or France.
It is easy to be negative - God knows a lot of people here find it easy anyway, and you can go through all the Americans are saying and pick out the faults if you want - but I prefer to read through this thread and see a lot of people who are passionate about their RL and their comp, and also see a lot of people who are learning ways to improve their comp every day.
I think the AMNRL comp is the best thing (development wise) happening in league today, and the only thing I find shameful is your attitude - wake up and smell the roses mate, the AMNRL is a POSITIVE thing, and the passion shown in this thread is great to see.
An interesting and well written post. As an outsider it is not for me to cast judgement on any of the posters here as individuals, or on thier records or status within the AMNRL - frankly it's none of my business.grubsey said:EXACTLY Screeny, this is what I am talking about Tomahawk. Your lies and nonsense portray to the world that the AMNRL is a joke.
Screeny, again, just for the record, don't listen to Tomahawk, he knows nothing about nothing. Just because he puts a jersey on and sits on the bench, doesn't make him an "AMNRL player". Rugby league is a game for everyone and his former team, the Glen Mills Bulls were always kind to let him do so. But even they have now brushed him. He says that he gets his facts from players from all the different clubs, but I can tell you this, everyone in the league knows him for the clown he is and wouldn't give him the time of day let alone tell him intimate club and league secrets.
Honestly Screeny, after the Grandstand fiasco, I didn't want any part of this forum, but when I see some of the things Tomahawk posts on this forum that portray the AMNRL just how you have seen it, I can no longer sit back and watch him say the things he says without trying to set the record straight. As one of the founding members of the Wildcats, after all the hard work I personally put into our club and the promotion of rugby league in America, the crap that Tomahawk posts is dead set personally offensive to me. Tomahawk, you never done anything more than drive players to a game, but have a think of what you are do to those like myself who are trying to attract overseas players to the AMNRL to make the competition stronger and better. When people read some of the stuff that you post on this forum about our competition, it makes us out to look like , as Screeny said, "fools and cheats". What overseas player of any repute would want to play in a competition of that type, the type of competition that you have portrayed with the things you have said.
Roopy & Hot Dog - to you as the other moderators of this forum, this should be evidence enough that future posts from Tomahawk, despite the principles of people allowed to have their own opinion and Freedom of Speech, should be reviewed for lies, inaccurate accounts of the truth and misquotations of facts. Peoples opinion and Freedom of Speech does not mean that someone can blatantly lie and attack an organization or individual.
Screeny - the AMNRL is developing competition that has overcome some incredible obstacles and have plenty more to negotiate in the future, but it is coming along. I sincerely apologize to you Screeny to what you see as bickering between two AMNRL players, all I am trying to do it set the record straight after the crap Tomahawk talks. If you notice, I have never and will never begin a new thread on this forum, I am just here to keep an eye on Tomahawk to prevent him portraying the AMNRL just how you have seen it.
And finally, for your peace of mind Screeny and for the record for the very last time, never at any stage in the grand final or in any other AMNRL game for that matter, did the Wildcats have any more than 13 on the field!!! Both the Wildcats and the Bulls have video footage of the grand final to back this up. The Wildcats video was actually taken from the opposite side from where the Bulls was taken and quite clearly shows young Jeremy Kosbob on the opposite side of the field than the Wildcats bench, walking up and down the sideline (off the field), waiting to sub in for Joel Venables. Tomahawk, why don't you watch the Glen Mills copy and count the palyers on the field rather than base your opinions and beliefs of what you hear from other people. And just on that, until yourself and Barney said anything about the Wildcats having more than 13 on the field, I had never heard of such nonsense from anyone.
Again Screeny and to others like you - I am sorry to waste your time with all this fence line shooting, but you and the world must know that the AMNRL is an authentic and reputable developing competition and that Tomahawk is an embarrassment to us all.
Merry Christmas to you all.
I hear what you're saying and know where you're coming from.roopy said:Screeny,
I've followed US RL for about four years now over the internet, and I have to say that the way the game is portraited/exposed/highlighted/however you want to put it, on this message board is how I like my news on the game.
The beauty of following the American experience is that you can see something developing out of nothing - and the sugar coated version pedalled on the AMNRL website, and the sugar coated version you seem to be advocating, just doesn't cut it.
The first couple of years I followed the US comp, all I had to go on was the 'official' line from the press releases, and the frustration that builds up when all you can read about are the 'good' things that happen, and the fact that any 'bad' news was totally suppressed would leave me cold. I often knew serious sh*t was happening because there was a total news blackout, and I could only sit and wonder what the hell was going wrong. It took months to find out that the USRL had collapsed and been replaced by the AMNRL, in fact, I'm not even sure I know the real story now, several years later.
I can understand how and why the AMNRL wants their game to only be shown in the best possible light, but really, you can only treat people like mushrooms for so long (kept in the dark and fed bullsh*t).
I am happy to know that the game in America is taking two steps forward and one step back as it struggles to grow year by year. I don't need, or want, to be given the Pollyanna version.
All I get from what you are saying is that you can see the obvious problems the US game faces after reading this message board, and you are advocating that we pretend the problems don't exist - the ostrich approach in fact, but putting your head in the sand has always been a great way to expose your arse as far as I can see.
I don't agree with all the criticism on this message board, and I don't agree with those that come on here to give a 'positive spin'. What I like is the chance to read both sides of the argument and make up my own mind what is happening - and what my 'take' is, is that the game is improving year by year and game by game and the guys who are battling big odds to expand the game are doing a great job to overcome all the hurdles in their path.
I assume you want me to believe that the game was just dropped on the ground in America and the little seed grew into a giant oak without anyone doing anything, whereas the fact is that the bloody tree has taken a huge amount of watering, tending and pest control to get where it is now, and it will need a lot more before it can be left to grow on its own.
Do you read the Sydney press? If you do you will know that slagging off at other players, coaches, administrators etc is not only common, but is almost the only way some guys have of communicating.screeny said:Roopy, how would you view it if NRL players and officials slagged each other off on forums? It would be highly damaging to the code's public image and make the code a laughing stock. The same goes for the US lads. They may not have the administration of the NRL but I'm willing to bet that they sure as hell try to conduct themselves as professionally as their Australian counterparts in the best interests of American RL. They wouldn't have got the kind of positive int'l image they currently have if they didn't.