West Coast Pirates Bid News

[Perth Red]

Any news on a WA side joining SG Ball first?

Pirates were in sg ball until the arlc cut funding to nrlwa.

 

[Perth Red]

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Victoria bitter.

Sums up that state perfectly though.

 

[ALX25]

Pirates were in sg ball until the arlc cut funding to nrlwa.

Has there been any discussions on the team being funded again?

 

[Brian potter]

I'd like to see the return of the Reds. They weren't given a fair go in the 90s. Bring 'em back back!

100%

A big boxing kangaroo mascot would be great at games. All sorts of merchandise could be sold. At each home game the Reds mascot can have a mock boxing bout with the away team's mascot. The kids watching will love that.

not just the kids

 

[Nuke]

I suppose my only real issue withe the West Coast Pirates brand, is that the logo is, and the name suggests, a male character. If you look at the game today, female participation rates are soaring, and the NRLW will, one year in the relatively near future, have the same teams as the NRL.

I'm not one of these new-age types who goes for all this 'gender neutral', "I feel like I should have been a woman so treat me as such and call me Francene, and if you don't, you're just ignorant" type of stuff, however for sporting clubs, particularly the professional ones, I do feel that logos/names should take into consideration that both men and women will be playing.

As I've said elsewhere on these forums before, Canberra missed a golden opportunity to call their womens side the Valkyries, or at the least, using that logo (as they already have it designed). I don't know too many teenage girls aspiring to play League would be dreaming of having a hairy bearded bloke sitting on her left chest.

When I redesigned the Joondalup Giants logo in 2018, the above points were at the forefront of my mind, and they were (and still are) very well received by our clubpeople and the heirachy of the game here.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

100%

not just the kids

At halftime they could have kids kangaroo races. Participants have to hop on pogo sticks instead of running with their legs. Winner takes home a jersey that's been signed by the team.

 

[bazza]

I suppose my only real issue withe the West Coast Pirates brand, is that the logo is, and the name suggests, a male character. If you look at the game today, female participation rates are soaring, and the NRLW will, one year in the relatively near future, have the same teams as the NRL.

The Pirates mascot could be Geena Davis

 

[Nuke]

The Pirates mascot could be Geena Davis

Or Elizabeth Swan from the 'Pirates Of The Caribbean' movie franchise...

 

[AlwaysGreen]

 

[The Great Dane]

I suppose my only real issue withe the West Coast Pirates brand, is that the logo is, and the name suggests, a male character. If you look at the game today, female participation rates are soaring, and the NRLW will, one year in the relatively near future, have the same teams as the NRL.

I'm not one of these new-age types who goes for all this 'gender neutral', "I feel like I should have been a woman so treat me as such and call me Francene, and if you don't, you're just ignorant" type of stuff, however for sporting clubs, particularly the professional ones, I do feel that logos/names should take into consideration that both men and women will be playing.

As I've said elsewhere on these forums before, Canberra missed a golden opportunity to call their womens side the Valkyries, or at the least, using that logo (as they already have it designed). I don't know too many teenage girls aspiring to play League would be dreaming of having a hairy bearded bloke sitting on her left chest.

When I redesigned the Joondalup Giants logo in 2018, the above points were at the forefront of my mind, and they were (and still are) very well received by our clubpeople and the heirachy of the game here.
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I don't have strong feelings on the West Coast Pirates brand, but everything you've said there is plain wrong.

Pirate isn't a gendered term, it's used universally for both male and female pirates, and there were, and still are, both male and female pirates. In fact some of the most successful and famous pirates of all time were female, Anne Bonny (whom ironically was one of the major inspirations for both Keira Knightley and Geena Davis' characters) is probably the most famous example.
The West Coast Pirates logo is a cartoon skull as well, which is also gender neutral. In other words the Pirates' logo and name doesn't suggest a male character in the slightest.

The NRL requires shared branding as part of the license agreement for an NRLW side. In other words it was the NRL that missed the Valkyrie opportunity, not the Raiders.

In fact, as far as we know publicly, the Raiders can be proud of the fact that they were the only club to try and go about branding and launching their NRLW side as a genuine attempt at introducing their women's side as an alternate product instead of a largely tokenistic publicity stunt that exists primarily for political reasons. It's also not their fault that the out of touch old men in Sydney whom run this sport prevented them from doing that.

 

[İzmir Zaferi]

I think they should go for "West Coast..." whatever moniker they may use.

I think using it would not only be reflective of WA but also possibly help in engaging the West Coast (Capetown) region in South Africa.

 

[Perth Red]

Has there been any discussions on the team being funded again?

No, when I asked i got a load of spin about new jnr structures the nrl is putting in place blah blah

 

[Perth Red]

I suppose my only real issue withe the West Coast Pirates brand, is that the logo is, and the name suggests, a male character. If you look at the game today, female participation rates are soaring, and the NRLW will, one year in the relatively near future, have the same teams as the NRL.

I'm not one of these new-age types who goes for all this 'gender neutral', "I feel like I should have been a woman so treat me as such and call me Francene, and if you don't, you're just ignorant" type of stuff, however for sporting clubs, particularly the professional ones, I do feel that logos/names should take into consideration that both men and women will be playing.

As I've said elsewhere on these forums before, Canberra missed a golden opportunity to call their womens side the Valkyries, or at the least, using that logo (as they already have it designed). I don't know too many teenage girls aspiring to play League would be dreaming of having a hairy bearded bloke sitting on her left chest.

When I redesigned the Joondalup Giants logo in 2018, the above points were at the forefront of my mind, and they were (and still are) very well received by our clubpeople and the heirachy of the game here.
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It’s a skull, it’s gender neutral lol.
still there’s No reason there couldnt be a female pirates badge for nrlw in same way.

 

[Nuke]

Nope, you're both right. It's a skull! For some reason when I was typing it, I had Canberra's logo in my head but looking like a pirate like Blackbeard or something. I dunno where my head was at in that moment!!

The old Hunter Pirates NBL basketball logo I'd seen very recently, so I'll blame that...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How many fans will flock to Perth Oval to support a Perth-based NRL club?

Less than 7k turned up to Perth Oval to watch the Force play against the Rebels (6,885) and Pasifika (6,497). That's without competition from the NRL. Crowds aren't much better for the Queensland Reds in Brisbane and Townsville, but they've got competition from the NRL.

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Surely an NRL club in Perth should be able to average 12k or more?

 

[flippikat]

How many fans will flock to Perth Oval to support a Perth-based NRL club?

Less than 7k turned up to Perth Oval to watch the Force play against the Rebels (6,885) and Pasifika (6,497). That's without competition from the NRL. Crowds aren't much better for the Queensland Reds in Brisbane and Townsville, but they've got competition from the NRL.

Super Rugby Results & Attendances | Austadiums

List of recent Super Rugby results and scores, including attendance figures.

www.austadiums.com

Surely an NRL club in Perth should be able to average 12k or more?

To be fair, from an Australian perspective, Super Rugby mustn't be a very attractive prospect - 80 minutes of stop-start crap, then (if the opposition is from across the ditch) 9 out of 10 times the NZ team wins.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

To be fair, from an Australian perspective, Super Rugby mustn't be a very attractive prospect - 80 minutes of stop-start crap, then (if the opposition is from across the ditch) 9 out of 10 times the NZ team wins.

If the Pirates are able to average 12k or more over 12 home games each season then it will put the Force between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Colk]

To be fair, from an Australian perspective, Super Rugby mustn't be a very attractive prospect - 80 minutes of stop-start crap, then (if the opposition is from across the ditch) 9 out of 10 times the NZ team wins.

Hence why any comparison with RU in Australia from an attendance perspective is pretty redundant. It’s an inferior product.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Hence why any comparison with RU in Australia from an attendance perspective is pretty redundant. It’s an inferior product.

Twenty years ago our Super Rugby teams averaged well over 20k.