West Coast Pirates Bid News

[papabear]

I am fine with the design.

The logo should reflect the era the club is trying to reflect and the pirates are trying to be modern good on them.

The wanderers logo maybe traditional but wtf is traditional about that soccer club, f**k me the soccer club I played for a few weeks ago that was established in the mid 90s has more tradition then the wanderers.

 

[Goddo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...eir-patch-in-nrl/story-e6frexnr-1226428483068

THE West Coast Pirates' NRL bid boss claims rival expansion bids in Queensland may be forced to walk the plank if rugby league is serious about national expansion.

Despite the failed experiment of the Western Reds, who crashed with a $10 million debt in 1997, Perth is well progressed with plans for an NRL team and says it should be favoured over Queensland, which already has three national teams.

WA Rugby League chief executive John Sackson, born in Brisbane but now spearheading the Pirates' crusade, says the Australian Rugby League Commission must look towards the AFL's expansion model.

"In the face of the AFL's very good national expansion, the league bosses must have a good game plan and a good vision, and that should involve having a team in Perth," Sackson said.

"They should be looking at genuine development into a (Perth) frontier that is begging for it. I was born and raised in Queensland but if I look at the bids there - in Brisbane, Ipswich and central Queensland - those areas are rugby league heartland and the game already exists there.


"Perth is an area that is fertile for the development of rugby league."

A turf dispute has erupted over the Pirates' NRL bid with another consortium headed by millionaire Tony Sage, who owns the Perth Glory A-League football team, formalising plans for a rival Perth bid.

The mere fact there could be two teams from Perth bidding for a licence shows how strongly the city is positioning itself for a league team and how seriously the Queensland NRL bid teams must take the western threat. The WA Reds were victims of the Super League battle but the Pirates claim they have significant government and private sector backing - and say plenty more will come if they are granted a licence.

They insist many of the factors that killed off the Reds - including high travel costs in the 1990s - no longer exist.

Perth is one of the favourites to regain a place in possibly the 2015 premiership, with a final decision on expansion expected to hinge on the game's next television broadcasting deal.

Queensland Origin great Johnathan Thurston is among those convinced Perth is the prime site for NRL expansion and he reasons it would be perfect for TV, with the two-hour time difference meaning there could be back-to-back TV games on Friday nights or Sunday afternoons.

Sackson says the time zone is one of the key planks in the Pirates' NRL blueprint but he also argues a Perth team would receive huge fan support and build a fresh fan base.

Bit of a nothing article. Really just the Pirates saying they should be favourites padded out with jurno guff.

 

[Joker's Wild]

T-Shirts now avaialable for pre order. Nice work Piirates

http://warugbyleague.com.au/store/products/official-west-coast-pirates-tee/

 

[Smithtown]

Terrific name and terrific logo. Has really settled well since the anouncement, and an absolute plethora of marketing slogans and angles that can be used with the name.

Hopefully they can introduce a scheme whereby if you wear an eye-patch to the game you can obtain 50% off the entrance fee.

 

[applesauce]

a further 10% for a wooden leg...

 

[dimitri]

a further 10% for a wooden leg...

what about a parrot

 

[Perth Red]

Free entry for every buxom wench?

Interesting John mentions Q'land, battle isn't Perth or a Q'land team IMO. Either Perth is a sure bet and battle is gosfordvbrisbane or brisbane are dead certain and it's a battle between gosfordvPerth. Can't see gosford as certs and a battle between perthvbrisbane. In fact the Bombers have been talking up Perth since day one for some reason?

 

[CQ Italia]

Free entry for every buxom wench?

Interesting John mentions Q'land, battle isn't Perth or a Q'land team IMO. Either Perth is a sure bet and battle is gosfordvbrisbane or brisbane are dead certain and it's a battle between gosfordvPerth. Can't see gosford as certs and a battle between perthvbrisbane. In fact the Bombers have been talking up Perth since day one for some reason?

CQ NRL Bid is the clear option - years ahead of any other QLD bid at least and colours/logo is a minor element, the FULL business/development/financial structure comes first. The bid is without a "brand", but still one of the front runners in community engagement. But there is a reason for the no brand yet

Alot of WA sports fans already have PAY TV due to AFL and Super Rugby so the subscription potential is not as high, as proven with reports earlier in the year. SE QLD have an abundance of sporting teams and another sporting club or non-Broncos went bust again today. CQ no national sporting team, massive Origin support (Free to air) - convert RL popularity to PAY TV subs - BINGO!

An interesting fact- the West Australian Public Schools Office were asked if they played rugby league in their school system and they don't. Reason being, is because AFL is obviously the major sport everyone supports, than comes other sports and after that league. So they don't play it at all and the schools system have alsop said becuase RL is too rough.

In the article, they talk about NRL following the same model as the AFL have done with GWS and Gold Coast Suns but NRL is in nowhere the near the same financial position as the AFL - the AFL have committed over $200million for each new club!


The current clubs, players and grassroots all a want piece of the pie - the massive funding needed raises question marks. The reality is that without huge supporting funds a WA franchise will struggle for the NRL. Melbourne entered the competition in 1998 and still require significant handouts from the NRL to operate. Previously the financial handouts for Storm were from News Limited. We are talking tens to hundreds of millions of dollars over that time just to stay afloat.

The NRL needs new teams with assured strong viability and as Saxon has said CQ are in the heartland so popularity is guaranteed - no risk from CQ! Financial backing, big growth expected, big development support and fan base thrown in!

 

[Perth Red]

Like your passion for your bid and I applaud your bids community engagement but IMO you have little chance. Like the Cc Bears your bid may be strong but if you don't rate in a key strategic outcome for the NRL ( and I don't believe you do) then it matters little.

In terms of schools that is rubbish. We have a snr high schools comp and had over 1500 primary school kids taking part in RL events over the last year. Of course we are small fry compared to AFL, doh! We have only been running a SG ball team 3 years but already have 9 wa Jnrs playing Toyota cup. Imagine what we'll do with proper funding and an NRL team to raise the profile of the game in the state!

Melbourne and Perth are two totally different scenarios and it is ignorant of people to think that the pirates will be in the same position as the Storm where when they staRted up. The reason that News ltd and now the ARLC fund the Storm extra is to keep them strong as the spIn offs for RL are huge, as witnessed by the 400k people from Vic who watched SOO.

 

[Fire]

Hey Perth Red. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse at all by asking this question. As I've told you before, I hope you guys get in and I think your merchandise will really appeal to the market you're targeting.

But how come you can pre-order it before you even get the license? It reminds me a bit of the Dragons printing the "2009 Premiers" shirts.

 

[Perth Red]

It's to show support for the bid. Idea is to get fans fully engaged so if we get the nod we hit the ground running and don't take years building a fan base. The aim is year one to have 10,000 full members. That work needs to start now so when the bids are announced we A) can show a real not just predicted supporter base and B) we can convert those bid supporters to members from day one.

Everyone knows they are buying into the potential and showing their support by doing so.

Even if we don't get in 2015 the aim is to continue building the game here, run a WC Pirates SG Ball side and possibly a NSW cup side if funding is forthcoming.

 

[Perth Red]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/06/28/pirates-bid-right-fit-nrl/

 

[Goddo]

CQ NRL Bid is the clear option - years ahead of any other QLD bid at least and colours/logo is a minor element, the FULL business/development/financial structure comes first. The bid is without a "brand", but still one of the front runners in community engagement. But there is a reason for the no brand yet

Alot of WA sports fans already have PAY TV due to AFL and Super Rugby so the subscription potential is not as high, as proven with reports earlier in the year. SE QLD have an abundance of sporting teams and another sporting club or non-Broncos went bust again today. CQ no national sporting team, massive Origin support (Free to air) - convert RL popularity to PAY TV subs - BINGO!

An interesting fact- the West Australian Public Schools Office were asked if they played rugby league in their school system and they don't. Reason being, is because AFL is obviously the major sport everyone supports, than comes other sports and after that league. So they don't play it at all and the schools system have alsop said becuase RL is too rough.

In the article, they talk about NRL following the same model as the AFL have done with GWS and Gold Coast Suns but NRL is in nowhere the near the same financial position as the AFL - the AFL have committed over $200million for each new club!


The current clubs, players and grassroots all a want piece of the pie - the massive funding needed raises question marks. The reality is that without huge supporting funds a WA franchise will struggle for the NRL. Melbourne entered the competition in 1998 and still require significant handouts from the NRL to operate. Previously the financial handouts for Storm were from News Limited. We are talking tens to hundreds of millions of dollars over that time just to stay afloat.

The NRL needs new teams with assured strong viability and as Saxon has said CQ are in the heartland so popularity is guaranteed - no risk from CQ! Financial backing, big growth expected, big development support and fan base thrown in!

:blahb:

The population of CQ is too small and spread out to win a licence. The Cowboys work because Townsville is a big regional centre.

There is no demand from media for yet another regional side.

No to CQ.

 

[Joker's Wild]

:blahb:

The population of CQ is too small and spread out to win a licence. The Cowboys work because Townsville is a big regional centre.

There is no demand from media for yet another regional side.

No to CQ.

And what stadium will they use? Browne Park? The place is a dump and no where near NRL standards and Id not be holding my breath for the Qld Gov to step in and invest millions to get it up to spec.

Absolute pipe dream

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Not quite right Joker:
"Qld Gov Campbell Newman promised in writing that his Government would build a world class, NRL compliant stadium in Central Queensland to serve as the Stadium to house the CQ NRL team"

But I remain unconvinced with CQ Italias contention that Pay TV subs have more potential in CQ than in WA Perth, which in reality is the key driver for the bid entry decision making.

Pirates In.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Im guessing you got that from this link


Interesting that following on from that line we have this

I want to stress the difference to “provision” as opposed to “gifting” because a small minority of the Central Queensland public think that the Government is gifting this Stadium to the future CQ NRL Club. This is absolutely wrong and anyone who propagates this misinformation is ill-informed. The CQ NRL Club will become the anchor or primary tenant and will pay significant rental costs to hire the stadium for NRL fixture games. That will account for 12 to 15 NRL games per year.

Going off what the Titans have been stung with and the lack of other national sporting teams that play out of Rocky, its not hard to imagine that the rent for a brand new stadium would be very high indeed. Given the current scenario with the Qld Gov job cuts too Id expect a fair bit of public backlash if they started pouring $$ into a stadium. THe CQ bid would have to come up with some serious dosh to convince them that such a PR minefield is worth negotiating.

 

[Fire]

It's to show support for the bid. Idea is to get fans fully engaged so if we get the nod we hit the ground running and don't take years building a fan base. The aim is year one to have 10,000 full members. That work needs to start now so when the bids are announced we A) can show a real not just predicted supporter base and B) we can convert those bid supporters to members from day one.

Everyone knows they are buying into the potential and showing their support by doing so.

Even if we don't get in 2015 the aim is to continue building the game here, run a WC Pirates SG Ball side and possibly a NSW cup side if funding is forthcoming.

I see. Makes perfect sense now you mention it. Thanks for answering, much appreciated!

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Im guessing you got that from this link


Interesting that following on from that line we have this



Going off what the Titans have been stung with and the lack of other national sporting teams that play out of Rocky, its not hard to imagine that the rent for a brand new stadium would be very high indeed. Given the current scenario with the Qld Gov job cuts too Id expect a fair bit of public backlash if they started pouring $$ into a stadium. THe CQ bid would have to come up with some serious dosh to convince them that such a PR minefield is worth negotiating.

For sure. The ongoing financial viability of the stadium and the cost to CQ Bid team for rent are all valid question marks.

For the sake of my argument I am just using the commitment of the Qld Gov to be something that the bid team would use rather convincingly in the presentation of their bid and that the ARLC would assess that aspect as certainly being a plus factor.

In any case (IMO only) the WA Pirates bid is the one that stands out as a must have in the next expansion.

 

[Paullyboy]

I think the Perth bid is a guarantee and unfortunately there is no good case for a second team. Brisbane two won't work (as I've said a million times, any other person who knows Brisbane will confirm this), central coast would be nice because it gets the bears back but seriously it's just too close to far too many other teams and unfortunately CQ wouldn't work because the population spread is just too big, what city would it be based in? Rocky or mackay I assume, neither are big enough.

 

[CQ Italia]

For sure. The ongoing financial viability of the stadium and the cost to CQ Bid team for rent are all valid question marks.

For the sake of my argument I am just using the commitment of the Qld Gov to be something that the bid team would use rather convincingly in the presentation of their bid and that the ARLC would assess that aspect as certainly being a plus factor.

In any case (IMO only) the WA Pirates bid is the one that stands out as a must have in the next expansion.

What question marks are they exactly? Opposed to the SE QLD landscape being very volatile atm and WA's past history / large funding needed. CC Bears apparent/rumored financial issues.
http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/members/ CQ?s Bid is Given Stamp of Approval ? Todd Balym (Courier Mail)

July 19th, 2012
A comprehensive financial stress test from the world?s largest accountancy firm has the Central Queensland bid team confident they have nailed the crucial viability criteria for potential NRL inclusion.


FULL ARTICLE @ http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/2012/07/cqs-bid-is-given-stamp-of-approval-todd-balym-courier-mail/