Who has the better forward pack?

[BunniesMan]

For what its worth, bunniesman has all of you guys hook, line and sinker. He does not represent what the majority of souths members and fans think from what I have seen. Most souths fans are on other forums and dont post here, it would be good if some more did because all we see are these same 3 idiots.

Tell me, when exactly have I claimed to represent what the majority of souths members and fans think? In fact I have repeatedly said I represent nothing and noone but my self.

Asotasi's form was pretty good according to nrl stats when he came back from injury going well above 100 - 120 meters each game.

IMO raiders have the form pack in the competition. Sharks have the most promising but unseen.

Yes it was, he finished the season well. And with the kiwi snub he has even more reason to have a great year this year. He's being underrated by most people for 2011 and he is part of the reason I am confident about this year.

 

[mxlegend99]

Yes it was, he finished the season well. And with the kiwi snub he has even more reason to have a great year this year. He's being underrated by most people for 2011 and he is part of the reason I am confident about this year.

:lol:

He was replaced with a better player. Sam McKendry > Roy Asotasi.

Sam McKendry went from a bench prop at Penrith to starting for New Zealand. Ahead of Roy Asotasi who starts for the Souths and couldn't crack the squad at all.

Further proof that the Souths forward pack is overrated.

 

[Iafeta]

Lowe was 18th man for QLD last year. I could see him making his origin debut this year. Bronson Harrison has played 7 tests for NZ since 2005.

A QLD 18th man >>> someone who can't be a kiwi regular.

Moron :lol::lol:

New Zealand are the champions of the world and four nations champions. Once were decent players like Woy Asotasi can't get close to the team, chump.

By the way, Michael Luck was 18th man for Queensland a year or so ago. But there is no way whatsoever in anyway shape or form that Luck would get anywhere near the New Zealand backrow. Luck would be lucky (excuse the pun) to make the NZ E squad with Ben Lowe.

 

[Iafeta]

Tell me, when exactly have I claimed to represent what the majority of souths members and fans think? In fact I have repeatedly said I represent nothing and noone but my self.


Yes it was, he finished the season well. And with the kiwi snub he has even more reason to have a great year this year. He's being underrated by most people for 2011 and he is part of the reason I am confident about this year.

Woy will start 2011 behind Rapira, Moimoi, Nuuasuala, McKendry, Matulino, Eastwood, Warea-Hargreaves, Blair at the very least. And I'll give you the hot tip why that is. Because Woy has been shyte for about 3-4 years... coincidental since he's been with that green and red turd-burgler team of yours...

 

[Mr Angry]

Fire up Iafeta.....suplex...followed by a pile driver!!!!

 

[roboshark]

canberra...easily...they will be pushing for top 4 this year imo

will finish well ahead of souths thats for sure

 

[BunniesMan]

BunniesMan copyrighted Good As Gold prediction #378 : Roy Asotasi will play for NZ in the next 12 months.

 

[BunniesMan]

canberra...easily...they will be pushing for top 4 this year imo

will finish well ahead of souths thats for sure

I disagree. Without Campese running their attack they don't have many points in them. Will be near the bottom until he gets back, he should get them to mid table, but certainly not top 4.

There are 4 teams that will clearly be above the rest after 26 rounds. Dragons, Souths, Tigers, Roosters.

 

[typicalfan]

Asotasi played his best football as a bench player for Price and O'Meley at the Bulldogs. That should paint a picture a little.

 

[snoozer]

Without Campese running their attack they don't have many points in them.

meaning they'll be same as souffs with sutto and sandy.

 

[Ram Man]

meaning they'll be same as souffs with sutto and sandy.

Beat me to it...how a souffs suppoter can argue a team wont do well without halves with the set of halves that they have is laughable :lol::lol:

Keep in mind Canberra have Orford, who I think is an average halfback as far as playing ability and flair, but can steer a side around the paddock, I think Canberra will be fine without Campese for the first few months

 

[Galeforce]

Another idiot , putting down Sutton and Sandow.
As Lang points out , when Sutton is out injured , Sutton's form becomes inconsistent. Souths loss rate when Sutton not playing has been high.
As for Sandow,he had a good season and performance was better than average half.He is still young with more improvement to come.

Also i love the inconsistency of the dopey haters.
First argument like this one is Souths do not have one of the best pack of forwards. Then second argument is Souths cannot win competition with Sutton and Sandow . The second argument implies Souths have the forwards but not the halves.
Fact ,Souths did not lose many games last year when they had majority of their forwards and halves playing .Fact ,Souths were inconsistent in some games ,Facts so were most teams in the finals ( Souths beat Tigers twice and Canberra only game played).
Winning a premiership requires the players, consistency and luck with injuries especially at the backend of the season.

In the Finals ,who were the key players that Saints and Roosters had missing due to injury?

Souths had Sutton, Lowe , Stuart ,Champion all with season ending injuries going to backend of the season. Sutton playmaker,Lowe workrate forward.

In addition to three quarter season having Luke , Lowe , Crocker,Stuart, Taylor,Clarke ,Sutton,Faloon ,Burgess out for key games.

 

[VodafoneWarriors1995]

Vodafone Warriors.

Sam Rapira - Great attitude plus he can take a hit and is a monster in defence.
Russell Packer - Fast for a big man plus he's got a massive hit.
Jeremy Latimore - Handy forward with a decent offload who can make an impact.
Mataupu Poching - Powerful young forward who has a good future with the Warriors.
Ben Matulino - Can be injury prone but he's got one powerful fend on him.
Saulala Houma - Bruising Tongan forward who may get a run in the first grade team.
Jacob Lillyman - Workhorse at best but can show some promise during games.
Sione Lousi - Tall second rower who is a massive hitter and a damaging player.
Ukuma Ta'ai - Similar to Houma but has got more impact.
Steve Rapira - Easily matches his brother with his great attitude and good defence.
Lewis Brown - Versatile player who can be devastating in attack.
Simon Mannering - Showing good leadership as captain plus he packs a lot of punch.
Michael Luck - Lock forward who is rock-solid in defence.
Feleti Mateo - Big boy who can help the Warriors make it to the Grand Final.
Elijah Taylor - Coming back from an ACL injury who is versatile and works at a high rate.

 

[Ram Man]

Another idiot , putting down Sutton and Sandow.
As Lang points out , when Sutton is out injured , Sutton's form becomes inconsistent. Souths loss rate when Sutton not playing has been high.
As for Sandow,he had a good season and performance was better than average half.He is still young with more improvement to come.

Also i love the inconsistency of the dopey haters.
First argument like this one is Souths do not have one of the best pack of forwards. Then second argument is Souths cannot win competition with Sutton and Sandow . The second argument implies Souths have the forwards but not the halves.
Fact ,Souths did not lose many games last year when they had majority of their forwards and halves playing .Fact ,Souths were inconsistent in some games ,Facts so were most teams in the finals ( Souths beat Tigers twice and Canberra only game played).
Winning a premiership requires the players, consistency and luck with injuries especially at the backend of the season.

In the Finals ,who were the key players that Saints and Roosters had missing due to injury?

Souths had Sutton, Lowe , Stuart ,Champion all with season ending injuries going to backend of the season. Sutton playmaker,Lowe workrate forward.

In addition to three quarter season having Luke , Lowe , Crocker,Stuart, Taylor,Clarke ,Sutton,Faloon ,Burgess out for key games.

What have Sutton and Sandow done in the last 3 years together?

Sandow is a pathetic defender any way you slice it.

Because the bloke can shoulder charge and then put a dog shot on when the bloke is laying on the ground doesnt make up for the amount of missed tackles made in a game that he concedes. There are plenty of stats to support that arguement.
As for Sutton, for the last 4-5 years I keep hearing from all and sundry "this is his season" and it has never come.
There are plently of players with hard luck stories about injuries and the good ones can still battle on and get through it and start to play good footy, the bloke is a myth
I never said Souths have a good pack, one of your fellow supporters mentioned that canberra will struggle without Campese, and I pointed out that your halves a below average.
You are just putting words in peoples mouth.

I also find it funny that you call Beau Fallon a key player

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Another idiot , putting down Sutton and Sandow.
As Lang points out , when Sutton is out injured , Sutton's form becomes inconsistent. Souths loss rate when Sutton not playing has been high.
As for Sandow,he had a good season and performance was better than average half.He is still young with more improvement to come.

Also i love the inconsistency of the dopey haters.
First argument like this one is Souths do not have one of the best pack of forwards. Then second argument is Souths cannot win competition with Sutton and Sandow . The second argument implies Souths have the forwards but not the halves.
Fact ,Souths did not lose many games last year when they had majority of their forwards and halves playing .Fact ,Souths were inconsistent in some games ,Facts so were most teams in the finals ( Souths beat Tigers twice and Canberra only game played).
Winning a premiership requires the players, consistency and luck with injuries especially at the backend of the season.

In the Finals ,who were the key players that Saints and Roosters had missing due to injury?

Souths had Sutton, Lowe , Stuart ,Champion all with season ending injuries going to backend of the season. Sutton playmaker,Lowe workrate forward.

In addition to three quarter season having Luke , Lowe , Crocker,Stuart, Taylor,Clarke ,Sutton,Faloon ,Burgess out for key games.

His attacking ability, albeit inconsistent isn't one of the main question marks over Sandow. The guy missed 151 tackles last season, a season by your own admission as a "good season and performance", there were only 3 players in the nrl last season that had more than 100 missed tackles. Most halves averaged less than half of Sandow's tally.

Defence isn't a huge part of a halves game, but when you miss that many it has an adverse effect on the rest of your team's structure.

Sutton and Sandow are both gifted players, neither of them are team leaders though, both have enough trouble keeping consistency in their own games.

 

[Galeforce]

I take your point on Sandow's defense.
However i would retort that stats can be misleading. If i believed that Sandow did not have the heart for defense then i would be alarmed by the stats. However my own view is
1) he is specifically targetted by opposition ,so more targetting the greater likelihood for misses
2) he has shown heart to put his body on the line and todate he also has shown resilience , with minimal injury
3) with some minor defense improvement , TEAM , to minimise targetting and his own style of running out of the line and reducing shoulder charges , this apparent weakness can be significantly improved.
4) i rate him behind Pearce in defence however ahead of Soward at the same age.
5) he has the heart
5) souths have had one of the highest try scoring records in the last two years , so only need a minor improvement in defence to win the games to get them into top 4.

 

[Ram Man]

Some stats can be misleading but 151 missed tackles in a season is pretty clear he has a problem. All halves are targeted, no matter who they are, but Sandow and Soward are the worst.
If Sandow can consistently put it together in attack then he can offset that deficiency, but he is too wild with ball in and and is very indecisive.
Lockyer is an ordinary defender as well but he can still win a game and he also usually has a back rower to defend inside him to somewhat protect him...doesnt seem to happen with Sandow and Souths

 

[snoozer]

Another idiot , putting down Sutton and Sandow.

no - we've watched these 2 play.

you're an idiot if you think they're anywhere close to being good consistent performers.

when Sutton is out injured , Sutton's form becomes inconsistent.

what form is this?

at the casino?

picking up strays at redfern station?

you can't be talking about his form on the park since he's out injured!

First argument like this one is Souths do not have one of the best pack of forwards. Then second argument is Souths cannot win competition with Sutton and Sandow . The second argument implies Souths have the forwards but not the halves.

no. the 2nd argument has nothing to do with the 1st.

i'll keep it simple.

you haven't got the best forward pack.

and your halves are crap and wont win you the comp.

Souths had Sutton, Lowe , Stuart ,Champion all with season ending injuries going to backend of the season. Sutton playmaker,Lowe workrate forward.

In addition to three quarter season having Luke , Lowe , Crocker,Stuart, Taylor,Clarke ,Sutton,Faloon ,Burgess out for key games.

now you sound like you're going to start crying.

you had injuries and they might have hurt your chances.

join the long line at the "we was robbed due to injuries" counter.

Winning a premiership requires the players, consistency and luck with injuries especially at the backend of the season

well you've bought the players and already some of them are injured.

good luck with the consistency thing.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

BunniesMan copyrighted Good As Gold prediction #378 : Roy Asotasi will play for NZ in the next 12 months.

I'd like to put a stipulation in that if New Zealand have 5 or more injured or suspended front rowers then this becomes null and void.

 

[BunniesMan]

meaning they'll be same as souffs with sutto and sandy.

I was talking about Canberra's attack. Sandow and Sutton helped us score a lot of tries. Sutton IMO is a good player, Sandow is good in attack.

Does Sandow have issues in defense? Yes I'll admit that but nothing fatal and nothing that can't be fixed by a good offseason.

Beat me to it...how a souffs suppoter can argue a team wont do well without halves with the set of halves that they have is laughable :lol::lol:

Keep in mind Canberra have Orford, who I think is an average halfback as far as playing ability and flair, but can steer a side around the paddock, I think Canberra will be fine without Campese for the first few months

Orford is an old man who hasn't played NRL since 2009. He won't be Canberra's white knight. Until Campese comes back I can picture a lot of "12-8" type scorelines...with Canberra being the "8"