Who replaces Cappy?

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

haha

 

[JJ]

Now only 2 teams with zero points, 1 has their backup halves pairing and a new fullback. The other has 3 internationals in their spine.

But, but, it's early days yet :lol: just wait till we fight back through the origin period, everything will be fine :crazy:

 

[Scorpio30]

"I was a bit surprised he knew the game plan, he was only called in yesterday but he slotted in really easily," Matulino said.

Is Manulino trying to be funny?:lol: game plan :lol:

Could be a hint to the fact he'd known the "game plan" all along as fat boy was going to be sat out.

 

[JJ]

Given they all know the game plan, I'd be keen to hear one of them articulate it...

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

Two rumours floating around the stands at Mt Smart yesterday...

1) Luke wasn't injured, he was dropped for having a public go at the coach, the training routines, etc. Apparently he was just saying what everyone was thinking but the players didn't back him up.

2) There's a player group leading the charge to replace Cappy, and they're being led by Manu.

:crazy::crazy:

wonder where hoffman as captain stands with this

 

[Penrose_11]

I was at the game Sunday and I found the pre-game warmup a big weird. I'm in my seat 30-35mins before kickoff. All18 Storm players were out there running around, stretching, wrestling, running lines, kicks etc. About 20 mins pre kickoff then the 7 Warrior backs plus Manu and Luke come out. The run around a little and practise a few kicks to corners/ grubbers etc. About 10-15 mins pre game and our forwards all come out and go a few hit ups etc. Storm still going hard.
Funny thing was, while Warriors all doing their thing, 2 randoms in dress shirts n pants were doing bombs and grubbers practise to RTS under the posts. They weren't players but both appeared management and 40-50 plus. Little wonder we again conceded the early points. No early enthusiasm. No hussle. No intensity. Comes down to the coaching team for me. Leadership sets the standards. Leadership lays down the plan.

 

[Marty]

I am going to put my hand up and say I was supporting Cappy last year when many on the forum were complaining he was not up for it. I thought injuries were the issue for our poor performance (See roosters this year...lose 5-6 key players and you can go from premiers to wooden spooners).

But I have seen the light and have come around to the fact that actually cappy isnt up for it. On paper our team is a top 4 side with World Class players in a handful of positions backed up by solid first graders and talented rookies. Even a bog standard coach who does nothing to improve the players should have this team firing better than what it is.

Doyle has been outstanding so far and had no problem showing Bell the door. So I can only assume that Doyle is thinking that either its better for Cappy to see the season out for the long term health of the club...or he is busy trying to find the right replacement and hasn't been able to put it together yet. Either way I think Cappy's future at the club is no longer sustainable.

I am not sure I would pick him myself...but I reckon Kearney might be our next coach. Doyle through the kiwis has no doubt a good relationship with him and we basically have the kiwi spine...so I can see Doyle thinking he would be a good fit for us.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

I am going to put my hand up and say I was supporting Cappy last year when many on the forum were complaining he was not up for it. I thought injuries were the issue for our poor performance (See roosters this year...lose 5-6 key players and you can go from premiers to wooden spooners).

But I have seen the light and have come around to the fact that actually cappy isnt up for it. On paper our team is a top 4 side with World Class players in a handful of positions backed up by solid first graders and talented rookies. Even a bog standard coach who does nothing to improve the players should have this team firing better than what it is.

How? Sorry I just don't see it at all. We need to stop mistaking potential for consistent ability to play at a high level because really that's the only thing that matters.

IMO we're middle of the table on paper.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Laurey Daley has just been on NRL 360, topic of Warriors wanting him in a mentor type role, summing it up
*he is mates with Cappy and talks every other week to him (coaching can be a lonely place)
* flattered by Watson's suggestions.
* has a good relationship for Him Doyle
* focusing on NSW, so not in coaching roll, so no thanks.
* should beat Knights and from there who knows what can happen.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

How? Sorry I just don't see it at all. We need to stop mistaking potential for consistent ability to play at a high level because really that's the only thing that matters.

IMO we're middle of the table on paper.

He's right (in my opinion). On paper, that side could/would be coached by a top-class, or even good NRL coach to the top four. I'd suggest Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler, Robinson, Maguire, Henry, Green, Arthur and Cleary would get them to the four. Those are the guys who would turn that potential into a cohesive unit with the right structure and the ability to know how to get around a football field and win games.

Quite a funny article in the Herald today (Set of Six) that says a lot of the Warriors are off social media, because McFadden urged them not to listen to outside noise. Debatable whether they are/should listen to the inside stuff either.

 

[JJ]

Losing faith in Doyle if he's chasing Daley - seriously all the guy has shown is that he can't win at Origin as a coach - never coached at NRL level, and clearly the week to week grind is something different - something Meninga couldn't manage (also Kearney, and many others), and the Broncos took a bit of time to sort - the Warriors never have of course, the odd season aside

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Losing faith in Doyle if he's chasing Daley - seriously all the guy has shown is that he can't win at Origin as a coach - never coached at NRL level, and clearly the week to week grind is something different - something Meninga couldn't manage (also Kearney, and many others), and the Broncos took a bit of time to sort - the Warriors never have of course, the odd season aside

I think there's a big difference between being a coach and being a coaching director.

For example, I think Matt Elliott would be a fine coaching director, or director of football whatever you want to call it. The guy knows football by the looks and is very well organised. But he just hasn't seemingly got it as a long-term leader of men.

And I think Daley would be the same. Great knowledge, not cut out or probably not motivated enough to be a 26-round coach when he can do NSW and a bit of media.

But anyway, he doesn't want it. And I'm not in favour of appointing a director of football to cover the short-comings of our coach in any case.

 

[JJ]

Depends on what the role is tbh - I'd prefer someone like Brian Smith.

 

[Rich102]

Losing faith in Doyle if he's chasing Daley - seriously all the guy has shown is that he can't win at Origin as a coach - never coached at NRL level, and clearly the week to week grind is something different - something Meninga couldn't manage (also Kearney, and many others), and the Broncos took a bit of time to sort - the Warriors never have of course, the odd season aside

I haven't heard Doyle say he is chasing Daley. I thought that was all Eric and we all know what knowledge he has of the game.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Has anyone actually mentioned chasing Daley as a coach?

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

He's right (in my opinion). On paper, that side could/would be coached by a top-class, or even good NRL coach to the top four. I'd suggest Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler, Robinson, Maguire, Henry, Green, Arthur and Cleary would get them to the four. Those are the guys who would turn that potential into a cohesive unit with the right structure and the ability to know how to get around a football field and win games.

Quite a funny article in the Herald today (Set of Six) that says a lot of the Warriors are off social media, because McFadden urged them not to listen to outside noise. Debatable whether they are/should listen to the inside stuff either.

I'd suggest that Bennet/Hasler/Bellamy etc "could" take probably a dozen of the NRL teams to the top 4.The competition is that close.

Assuming every club has a top coach, clear run with injury and form, I just don't see us as a clear cut top 4 side on paper ahead of Broncos, Cowboys, Storm, Rabbitohs, Roosters and I'm sure other teams could come up with valid reasons why they're ahead of us too (but like us have strengths and weaknesses). "Could" we be top 4, for sure, but the statement was that on paper we ARE a top 4 side and that's just something I don't agree with based on the talent we have.

 

[Auckland4ever]

"Could" we be top 4, for sure, but the statement was that on paper we ARE a top 4 side and that's just something I don't agree with based on the talent we have.

Yeah - also, our lineup features a hefty amount of names on paper (and in the flesh), that have never proven themselves as top 4 quality defensive players.

 

[Marty]

Usually selectors pick the best players to play international games or state of origin games.

We have 10-12 players (depends if you want to include Ben Henry and [FONT=&quot]Tuimoala Lolohea) [/FONT] in the squad who have either played Internationally or State of Origin.

How many players in the Cowboys, Rabbitohs, Storm, Roosters or Broncos have played Internationally for their country or played State of Origin?

I think you will find the Warriors have more internationals and state of Origin Players in their squad than just about any other team in the comp.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/warriors/shaun-johnson-its-ridiculous-how-many-coaches-the-warriors-have-gone-through--exclusive-column/news-story/a520b5653a8c5f4554f44bc35ec7bfa3

Shaun Johnson: ‘It’s ridiculous how many coaches the Warriors have gone through’

Cappy's here to stay?
Interesting article, SJ needs some serious mental help getting past the injury, I hope he is getting it and not trying to "man up" about it.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Usually selectors pick the best players to play international games or state of origin games.

We have 10-12 players (depends if you want to include Ben Henry and [FONT=&quot]Tuimoala Lolohea) [/FONT] in the squad who have either played Internationally or State of Origin.

How many players in the Cowboys, Rabbitohs, Storm, Roosters or Broncos have played Internationally for their country or played State of Origin?

I think you will find the Warriors have more internationals and state of Origin Players in their squad than just about any other team in the comp.

Agree to disagree. I can see what you're saying, but it's just something I don't agree with. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just different opinions, that's all.

It's just a number and becomes very subjective when you look at the amount of Kiwi players compared to Australian. A lot of very good players will miss out based on your qualifications due to numbers. Our rep numbers have always been a little inflated.

And when those rep players have such glaring weaknesses as Manu has shown, and others like Hoffman and Lillyman are clearly past their prime, it really doesn't look as strong an argument. On top of that, going by the rep argument you're completely discounting guys like Milford and Reynolds who are instrumental to their teams success not to mention Friend/Granville who are only ingored because of Cameron Smith.

When I look at teams I have a look at the amount of areas where a team could exploit to get a win. I see more in the Warriors than I do when I look at those other teams. Amount of players who pulled on a rep jersey doesn't really come into calculation for me.