Who replaces Cappy?

[ozbash]

Agreed I hate Cappy for fielding Robson after crap games but Robson went OK tonight and the players just underplayed

what game were you watching ?

If you call having your back to the opposition tapping the ball 10 metres out from the line ok, then maybe you should start talking about soccer.

 

[Mr Angry]

Did someone say inspiration?

He is the man.

WGHB

Hell I am Aussie the guy inspires me.

 

[jaseg]

Yeah. Plus i'm sick of his double standards.
We heard about Hurrell and KPI's. He was banished to NSW cup.
He came back this season fitter and faster. Still not good enough.
So he sits on the bench for a 20 minute run in the forwards where he is clearly ineffective.
This isn't a solution.

Johnson on the other hand is told to get more involved and take the ball to the line.
So he runs for 4 meters and makes 3 mistakes. Tell me how this passes any KPI's?

I agree with the double standard sentiments, it's just so frustrating - but I (for the second week in a row) don't get the Hurrell ineffective comments. In his limited time he came up with one of the best runs by any of our forwards all game, making about 12-13 metres out of nothing, staying on his feet, getting a quick play the ball which *for once* put the Manly pack on the back foot, Luke & TL took successive DH runs off the back of that and we made a linebreak. One of the most impressive pieces of footy from us all night (not saying much) - and it was started by Hurrell.

Says a lot for our coaching that our best play comes off the back of that style, yet we spend most of the game trying to play a different way... just copy the old Ivan blueprint until we get to their ~30m please - imagine if he had Issac Luke during his stint here? ffs...

 

[Benek]

So true jaseg. The only time we looked effective was when we ran hard up the guts and looked for quick plays of the ball, yet we steer away from the that style of attack at every opportunity. This must be coaching error or a combination of that and lack of composure form the players. But sitting on the sideline it seems so obvious I just can't imagine what's going through their heads.

Sideways football doesn't win until you're breaking them up the middle.

Kudos to Manly for being offside most of the game and laying 4 guys on every tackle. They scared the Warriors away from playing what we needed.

 

[Blair]

...Kudos to Manly for being offside most of the game and laying 4 guys on every tackle. They scared the Warriors away from playing what we needed.

Wouldn't consistent 3 or 4 man 'gang' tackles create space elsewhere for us to exploit? For every tactic there should be a counter, if we're quick enough on our feet, and inside our heads.

 

[Rich102]

Wouldn't consistent 3 or 4 man 'gang' tackles create space elsewhere for us to exploit? For every tactic there should be a counter, if we're quick enough on our feet, and inside our heads.

And therein lies a lot of the problem.

 

[JJ]

Yeah. Plus i'm sick of his double standards.
We heard about Hurrell and KPI's. He was banished to NSW cup.
He came back this season fitter and faster. Still not good enough.
So he sits on the bench for a 20 minute run in the forwards where he is clearly ineffective.
This isn't a solution.

Johnson on the other hand is told to get more involved and take the ball to the line.
So he runs for 4 meters and makes 3 mistakes. Tell me how this passes any KPI's?

Yep - no doubt Johnson will tear up Newcastle next time we play them, or some other injury ravaged team fielding reserve graders - his career in the NRL is shaping into one that flatters to deceive

 

[Mr Angry]

Go robbo, I watch my boys now, sorry. I am an arsehole

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Everyone bagging Mannering, Hoffman, Robson etc...those are guys that are key figures in a side going forward, with a clear structure and winning the middle. Seeing we don't week on week, those guys are made to look pedestrian.

Honestly, I'm sick of talking about the coach. We could easily go in 3 from 11 to the bye, look at the draw it's a distinct possibility against sides who are better than us (mind you there are 14 at least of those so it figures). Then if he's not gone then, I'll check back in next year.

 

[Blair]

And therein lies a lot of the problem.

When they realised the gang-tackle strategy was on (and I picked this up on radio during the first set or two) did they at least show some urgency to get up and play the ball? With an eager ball-runner waiting and badgering the ref to 'get these goons off our player' as he's spotted a gap and wants to go for it?

There doesn't even need to be a gap there, its all about pressuring the refs, and with that the opposition, that they're laying about slowing the game down.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Everyone bagging Mannering, Hoffman, Robson etc...those are guys that are key figures in a side going forward, with a clear structure and winning the middle. Seeing we don't week on week, those guys are made to look pedestrian.

Honestly, I'm sick of talking about the coach. We could easily go in 3 from 11 to the bye, look at the draw it's a distinct possibility against sides who are better than us (mind you there are 14 at least of those so it figures). Then if he's not gone then, I'll check back in next year.

It's quite clear that the players out there last night are not playing for the coach.
Sunday footy show discussing how long before Cappy goes and Doyle backing him must just be words and how pathetic the players where and no idea what the problem is, but there is a problem.
Freddy wouldn't show up next week if he was a fan.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Road ahead rd7 Bulldogs, rd8 Storm, rd9 Dragons, rd10 Panthers.
Don't see to many wins there.

 

[Rich102]

Our second row is pedestrian on attack. Our forward pack is weakened to allow TL to cover the halves in a reserves jersey.
The side isn't being directed from the halves. Johnson is playing the role of a non-contact centre.
If there aren't some changes next week we will get slaughtered.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I've said this before, I could happily bet my house on the fact McFadden won't be a successful Warriors coach. He is approaching the Mark Grahams and Tony Gimps as worst coach in our history.

So if we're 3 or even 4 from 11 at the bye (can anyone honestly see us being better than that) and Doyle doesn't sack him, it's a nonsense.

We've seen more than enough from this guy to know what he's capable, or not, as a coach. We can go back last year and see that apart from beating the Storm, we snuck into the top 4 on the back of beating bottom 8 sides in a mid-year run. He's now carrying a reverse hooker and a centre on the bench in the era of limited interchanges. Is anyone else doing that? I doubt it. The Roosters just beat a pretty decent Rabbitohs side so there's cause to say we're the 15th best side, and even the 16th has some structure around it.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

All this talk about Jim Doyle.. 'Oh he's so great, he gossips with us and sits with us and gets us to clap our hands'.. but the thing is Cappy will reign because JIM DOYLE wants him there.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

All this talk about Jim Doyle.. 'Oh he's so great, he gossips with us and sits with us and gets us to clap our hands'.. but the thing is Cappy will reign because JIM DOYLE wants him there.

You know that, do you? Jim Doyle has done what most rational CEOs would have done, and sought stability in his organisation. He has allowed a rookie coach a good amount of time to prove he is able to grow and prove to be up to the role. Hiring and firing is left to dunce CEOs like Wayne Scurrah, who think selling jerseys = success.

But having said that, in my opinion, there'll be a time - whether it be in the next 2 months if we keep losing, or by season's end - where he'll need to make a decision on McFadden, and not only that he'll need to make the right appointment to follow if he goes. Then we can judge. As I and others have said, Jim needed time to clean up Wayne's excrement from off his desk.

 

[Blair]

Road ahead rd7 Bulldogs, rd8 Storm, rd9 Dragons, rd10 Panthers.
Don't see to many wins there.

The dye was set early with the St. George-Illawarra Dragons. Those with long memories will recall they gave us our first ever defeat, a big hiding actually, in our second game in '95.

After the drama and near heroics of our inaugural game at Mt Smart against Brisbane (where our inexperience and Alfie Langer's experience was the difference) we had to go to Wollongong to play the Steelers. It wasn't pretty and was a real reality check for any new team wanting to make it week in, week out in the, then, ARL.

It's quite clear we've never made the jump from a good idea to a consistent performer in the world's toughest league comp.

 

[TheDMC]

Piss weak post match conference, not sure if all coaches this weak but when asked what when wrong, saying we need to go back and look a it and review vs saying ill discipline, handling errors and halves that didn't take the line is a good place to start.

yes in a nutshell

 

[TheDMC]

You know that, do you? Jim Doyle has done what most rational CEOs would have done, and sought stability in his organisation. He has allowed a rookie coach a good amount of time to prove he is able to grow and prove to be up to the role. Hiring and firing is left to dunce CEOs like Wayne Scurrah, who think selling jerseys = success.

But having said that, in my opinion, there'll be a time - whether it be in the next 2 months if we keep losing, or by season's end - where he'll need to make a decision on McFadden, and not only that he'll need to make the right appointment to follow if he goes. Then we can judge. As I and others have said, Jim needed time to clean up Wayne's excrement from off his desk.

Maybe you are right, but the above still sounds like a case of severe doyle-lovitis.

How much time do you need to know a pigs ear aint going to ever be a silk purse? This game was the final straw for me - if I was in charge I'd fire McFadden now I reckon (if I could find an alternative, which I certainly would have been thinking about since end of last season, back up options etc).

There is only one type of coach worse than a shit coach, and that's a shit coach who talks rubbish and avoids being realistic about shitness.

The previous week McFadden tried to justify 2 tries from kicks being not a good indicator of defence as they were kicks, implying anything can happen. What utter f**ken garbage. Funny how the top teams defend most kicks a lot better than our mob (btw McFadden not the only coach to make that justification recently).

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

You know that, do you? Jim Doyle has done what most rational CEOs would have done, and sought stability in his organisation. He has allowed a rookie coach a good amount of time to prove he is able to grow and prove to be up to the role. Hiring and firing is left to dunce CEOs like Wayne Scurrah, who think selling jerseys = success.

But having said that, in my opinion, there'll be a time - whether it be in the next 2 months if we keep losing, or by season's end - where he'll need to make a decision on McFadden, and not only that he'll need to make the right appointment to follow if he goes. Then we can judge. As I and others have said, Jim needed time to clean up Wayne's excrement from off his desk.

Is Jim Doyle the CEO? No further questions needed