Who replaces Cappy?

[Rich102]

Can't disagree.
However the game plan Cappy is having them play to is self defeating.

 

[vvvrulz]

Can't disagree.
However the game plan Cappy is having them play to is self defeating.

I want to see a roster clean out before I draw that conclusion.

You're probably right, but that Dragons game is the only reason I cling on to the idea.
We played with structure and heart that day.

Nothing excuses his geniused selections though.

 

[jaseg]

Not sure we did (regarding structure anyway) tbh.. Dragons were just that bad. We made a laughable amount of errors, had a 70%ish completion rate and a sub 88% effective tackle rate across the team and still won - that's not good play by us, that's awful play by them. We would have lost to every team bar the Knights on that day I think.

Selections are a real problem (despite what's happened since then, starting the season with Ayshford over Konny was a bad mistake, as was Gavet starting the season - and it has been even worse after that). So the shaky (outside of the headliners) squad is hurt by the lack of willingness to use reserve players who are most in form. The one-and-done selection debacle after the Dragons game (regarding the super six) was symptomatic of the idiocy going on. Those players didn't deserve to walk straight back into the team, it was a somewhat token slap on the wrist rather than a legitimate attitude adjustment.

So is strategy - how aren't we pushing out of the ruck consistently? Here's a pro tip; if all else fails, copy what Ivan did best... 1 out and dummy half runs inside our own half (really up to the opposition 30-35ish mtrs), quick play the balls and get rolling up the damn field already. It's not rocket science, and it's the way this roster should be set up to play - it suits us, we have Luke, we have plenty of alternate dummy halves (TL, Jazz, Roache, even fkn Robson can do a job there) to keep up the pace or even (with Jazz particularly) play dual dummy half roles. We also have a half who plays best running at opposition on the back foot.

Then there's just the basics the team is clearly not being trained to do... give lots of options to the man with the ball (inside runner, lead runner, deep outside runner, cut out option etc) and support the ball carrier in hopes of an offload ffs.

Good coaches adjust their strategy for the roster they have - we saw it best with Des Hasler's move to the Bulldogs. He went from a very different style of team in Manly to a forward-heavy roster without much in the way of creativity, and used his squad's strengths (the forwards) in a way that got the best out of the team. Cappy, by comparison, doesn't seem to have a clue how to use this roster.

 

[vvvrulz]

Not sure we did (regarding structure anyway) tbh.. Dragons were just that bad. We made a laughable amount of errors, had a 70%ish completion rate and a sub 88% effective tackle rate across the team and still won - that's not good play by us, that's awful play by them. We would have lost to every team bar the Knights on that day I think.

You're right re: stupid errors, but we showed periods of reasonably polished footy particularly when Robson found the backs and got his kicking game in order. Fus defended his guts out. Johnson I thought did a reasonable job closing things out.

Hardly world beating, and yes the Dragons were appalling, but it just looked like we were really getting somewhere that day. I truly believe if we kept fielding that team we'd have at least not disgraced ourselves like we are now, nowhere near top four but fringe top eight for sure.

I'd take fringe top eight with that kind of effort, over bottom four with abysmal efforts.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Here's something to ponder. McFadden has now had longer in charge than Endacott, Graham, Kemp, McLennan, Iro and Elliott all had. And of those, how many do you think really should've kept their jobs? Elliott possibly, that's about it.

 

[Rich102]

By Tony Wright

Andrew McFadden is a dead man walking as Warriors coach.

The 38-year-old was promoted into the role while assistant to Matthew Elliot in 2014, but he’s never been able to consistently get the best out of a talented group of players.

McFadden is a great bloke who talks a good game, but it's clear to all he's lost the dressing room. For whatever reason, his messages aren't getting through. There is little desire to tackle, to put bodies on the line, and the passion, commitment and discipline needed by a successful NRL side are sorely lacking.

The abject performances that typified the losing streak of last season have returned, and the team are once again an embarrassment.

So McFadden must go or the season will be lost, if it's not already. So, who should replace him? Here are my top five picks.



5. Stacey Jones

Warriors legend and current coach of its reserve grade side, is it finally time for Jones to step up to the big show?

Arguably the finest talent the club has ever produced, he would at least have the support and respect of his playing roster.

I’d actually have Jones as assistant to Kidwell. The playmaker and the disciplinarian, a perfect match that the club so desperately needs.



4. Michael Maguire

Currently overseeing a largely underwhelming campaign by his standards for the Rabbitohs, perhaps the 42 year old master tactician needs a fresh challenge?

He already knows many of the Warriors players well, and could once again get the best out of Issac Luke.

Already proven at the highest level with a Premiership win for Souths in 2014, Maguire gets results through his players committing to an effective game plan.

Would he want to cross the ditch though? Would Russell Crowe let him?




3. Stephen Kearney

Alright, I know what you're thinking - Kearney can’t coach first grade.

Sure, his brief tenure in charge of the Eels was a disaster, but he is the most successful Kiwis coach we’ve ever seen and - the World Cup final at Old Trafford aside - seems to get the best out of his players when they suit up for their country.

Could he instill the same passion at the Warriors?

Currently in his final year as assistant at the Broncos, he’s no doubt learned plenty from master coach Wayne Bennett. Maybe it’s time Kearney got another shot at running his own ship.



2. Ivan Cleary

Why the club let Cleary walk out so easily after leading them to their second grand final in 2011 still boogles the mind.

The players respected him and would have followed him anywhere. He was the Warrior’s fullback when it contested its first grand final in 2002. He lived and breathed the club, he is part of Mount Smart folklore.

But out the door to Penrith he went, and in came the 'people's coach', Bluey McClennan. The McClennan era lasted just 22 matches for a paltry 8 wins.

But things didn't go well for Cleary at the Panthers either. Injuries and form took their toll, and he was fired at the end of last season.

Would he want to come back to Auckland? You'd like to think Jim Doyle has already asked him.



1. David Kidwell

An NRL head coach in waiting, Kidwell's time has come.

Currently assistant to Jason Taylor at the struggling Wests Tigers, the 39 year old Cantabrian also served his apprenticeship under one of the best around in Craig Bellamy at the Storm.

Kidwell is one of the toughest and most intelligent league players New Zealand has ever produced.

I knew him as a young man back in his days with the Hornby Panthers, and even back then it was clear he was destined for great things.

He had a black belt at Karate by the age of fourteen, and it’s this innate sense of discipline and commitment that the Warriors so desperately need. He's also never played for the club, so is untainted by previous failures.

Whenever Kidwell pulled on the black and white jumper for his 25 Tests, he gave his all for his country, left nothing on the paddock. It was the same during his 241 game career in first grade.

The Warriors need his desire and leadership now, throw the cheque book at him.

Newshub.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/five...dden-at-the-warriors-2016052407#axzz49bML2ApI

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Kidwell or Maguire or even both if possible.

Kearney is good at the Kiwis. If he does the Warriors as well it maybe too much and the Kiwis might suffer, if you get what I'm saying.

Jones Im not sure. If every team he's coached has won their comp then maybe should look at him seriously but if not then he's still learning.

Cleary is going backwards. I've seen Clearys Warriors and they were never champions.

 

[Rich102]

I think we need a coach with a proven NRL head-coach record.
That rules Kidwell, Jones & Kearney out.
Still would like to see Toovey in the job.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I think we need a coach with a proven NRL head-coach record.
That rules Kidwell, Jones & Kearney out.
Still would like to see Toovey in the job.

I've heard Toovey on NRL 360 speak about the Warriors current state and what he knows about us is quite impressive. I can't remember exactly what he said to give an example but it was really interesting stuff and impressed me with just how much he knew.

Yeah we need a NRL coach. We can't get another inexperienced coach, already got one.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Kidwell or Maguire or even both if possible.

Kearney is good at the Kiwis. If he does the Warriors as well it maybe too much and the Kiwis might suffer, if you get what I'm saying.

Jones Im not sure. If every team he's coached has won their comp then maybe should look at him seriously but if not then he's still learning.

Cleary is going backwards. I've seen Clearys Warriors and they were never champions.

Yeah, I don't want to go to another GF either. Just think of all that money we used to spend on finals tickets and flights under Ivan. I used to stay until fulltime of home games too, that used to cost me an extra beer or two. Bloody costly.

As OZ would say, FO Ivan. We enjoy our misery.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

We got the wrong assistant coach as well. I truly believe Justin Morgan would make a great Warriors coach. But thanks to the head coach's incompetent boobery, he's absolutely zero shot now.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Yeah, I don't want to go to another GF either. Just think of all that money we used to spend on finals tickets and flights under Ivan. I used to stay until fulltime of home games too, that used to cost me an extra beer or two. Bloody costly.

As OZ would say, FO Ivan. We enjoy our misery.

Yeah him and his Warriors did well to go to 2 grand finals I think it was??..

We lost though. I know it's not entirely his fault but he had 2 shots at it.. I see that as a failure more than a success getting there.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Two if you're counting the one he played in...and I'd hardly attribute that to him.

We lost to Manly in the GF while they were in the midst of one of the great dynasties of the NRL. We could blindly say 'couldn't win a premiership, he's no good' or we look at how many other coaches in the NRL have ever taken sides to finals 4 out of 6 seasons (and remembering that the 6th they accrued enough points to do so again). It'd only be the Bellamys, the Haslers, the Bennetts etc. And if you look at the way our club and culture has absolutely unravelled into a complete dog's breakfast after he left, does not that not add even further weight to what he achieved?

If he's available, we take him. I honestly can't see a plausible, well weighted argument to the contrary.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Two if you're counting the one he played in...and I'd hardly attribute that to him.

We lost to Manly in the GF while they were in the midst of one of the great dynasties of the NRL. We could blindly say 'couldn't win a premiership, he's no good' or we look at how many other coaches in the NRL have ever taken sides to finals 4 out of 6 seasons (and remembering that the 6th they accrued enough points to do so again). It'd only be the Bellamys, the Haslers, the Bennetts etc. And if you look at the way our club and culture has absolutely unravelled into a complete dog's breakfast after he left, does not that not add even further weight to what he achieved?

If he's available, we take him. I honestly can't see a plausible, well weighted argument to the contrary.

He's available and I'm sure he's keen to get back into the NRL as well.

Toovey is another.

To be honest, I've never been too fussed with the coach. I don't watch the game and ever blame the coach, even at substitutions. I do however go off at the players and the reffs. However in saying that about the coaches, it's clear we need a new one and getting the right man for the job is so crucial right now for us because we go through coaches a lot.

 

[Dr Crane]

I don't get the revisionist history with Cleary. We knew before the Grand Final he was leaving. It wasn't like we got there, played the game and then moved him on.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I don't get the revisionist history with Cleary. We knew before the Grand Final he was leaving. It wasn't like we got there, played the game and then moved him on.

No...but what's your point? I'm of the belief that the fact we knew he was going mid-season made the achievement even more significant. A lot of us at the time, I know I did, saw it petering out. We know how professional rugby league players put the cue in the rack often when they see a dead man coaching. Those guys kept turning up for a coach who they knew wasn't there next year. He had their ears and eyes 100%.

Anyway, he has a job at the NRL now. He's never walked away from a job and that may continue to be so.

David Kidwell....this is the same guy who was spotted on holiday in Bali with Farah whilst his head coach was in a major war with that player and others. That's not the guy I want , thanks.

 

[Dr Crane]

No...but what's your point? I'm of the belief that the fact we knew he was going mid-season made the achievement even more significant. A lot of us at the time, I know I did, saw it petering out. We know how professional rugby league players put the cue in the rack often when they see a dead man coaching. Those guys kept turning up for a coach who they knew wasn't there next year. He had their ears and eyes 100%.

I was too lazy to quote the Newshub article posted earlier that suggested we let him walk after the GF.

Otherwise I agree with your points.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I was too lazy to quote the Newshub article posted earlier that suggested we let him walk after the GF.

Otherwise I agree with your points.

Gotcha...I've seen some rubbish stuff in the media lately, like one report saying we were 5 wins, 5 losses after the Penrith loss, saying Ivan was let walk, that we'd missed the playoff 4 of the last 5 years etc. That sort of half-assed reporting doesn't help the situation of our team either. Hardly insurmountable external pressure. Would McFadden last 3 months in Sydney? Doubt it.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Te Arahi Maipi interviewed Cappy today on the Sky Sport Aftermatch show and he asked Cappy some really good questions regarding Konnie, the team and Cappys plan going forward.

Lot of questions were stuff we often discuss, while Cappy avoided some answers we were looking for. Apparently the Warriors camp is on the same page and it's just that the boys get down in the game after a little bit of adversity and "external" factors.

Sky Sport Aftermatch!

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

Link?????