Who replaces Cappy?

[SpaceMonkey]

One question, these muppets that perform like...muppets. Who rewards them selection?
They can lay back, kick their feet back cos of who you reckon? Bit like Cappy as well, he can destroy our team and who rewards Cappy selection? Do something Doyle my Aussie boy or you will feel the wrath of the kiwis!

Doyle isn't an Aussie mate, where are you getting that from? He's more kiwi than Aussie and more Scottish than either. Forget the stupid notion that our CEO has mixed allegiances.

 

[Marty]

No way Cappy is here for the 2017 season. Doyle will already have a number of plays for different coaches going on behind the scenes. I would expect though there will be the standard review of the season with sometime in mid October the announcement that Cappy was leaving and who his replacement will be.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

So you'd prefer to waste (and make no mistake, we've seen enough of Cappy - it would be an absolute waste) a year in which we have potentially the best roster in the clubs history? Based on what, the idea of a coach that might come a year later, but also might not (and which coach might that be)?

No.

There is an element of timeliness here, thanks to the cyclical nature of the competition (via the salary cap effect). Failing to take advantage of opportunity is criminal in the long term.

Cappy must go, and he needs to go now. Nobody should get away with complete failure over that long a time period and be allowed to continue. Even if it's for a rookie - at least they aren't proven failures, and some have pretty great track records (unlike Cappy did when he was appointed).

I'd take either Brennan or the Walkers (would lean towards Walkers... they will likely change the NRL at some club.. why not us? the best coaches do things that are different at the time, which everyone later copies.. Bellamy's defensive techniques and structures, Hasler's block play based attack etc), though Toovey would be my first choice since he has never been the type to put up with crap.

Cappy must go only if we got someone proven. Its a gamble more so going with someone untested when most of the players (Not all) like and back Cappy genuinely. I strongly believe now that their are a few players that are bad eggs (We all have own opinions on who they are) that need to be sorted. Recommending the above coaches maybe possible to get better results but who knows how our team will respond, it could actually be worse considering how tight the players are with each other. I wouldn't want another player power incident to occur again these guys need to buck the hell up

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

No way Cappy is here for the 2017 season. Doyle will already have a number of plays for different coaches going on behind the scenes. I would expect though there will be the standard review of the season with sometime in mid October the announcement that Cappy was leaving and who his replacement will be.

Those different coaches you speak of that Doyle has up his sleeves. Does he have a super coach that is proven? Or the rookies we all have mentioned as good potential? If it's the later (More likely) then I would give Kidwell a go. I know some may frown upon that but he had so much mana for any jersey he played for, a work ethic like no other and no fear. Anyone rate him as a promising coach?

 

[spear tackle]

And on the radio this morning we have Hoffman also defending the coach saying its not his fault for this years results, if this proves to be the case and he remains I would expect a big clean out of the playing roster.

 

[JJ]

They won't clean out the roster, they think they have a window to challenge. That's debatable and they do need to change the culture so that would be the way to do it

Cappy has to go, he's not up to it that's clear, so proven or unproven it needs to be someone new

The worry is true do the standard bullshit internal old boys review and conclude they need a kiwi to mesh with the culture of the playing group

Test for Doyle, the club is diabolical

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

And on the radio this morning we have Hoffman also defending the coach saying its not his fault for this years results, if this proves to be the case and he remains I would expect a big clean out of the playing roster.

Something smells bad and I know their is a civil war within our team I just don't know who's on who's side. If I had to speculate their is 2 sides they would be:

(SPECULATION Only on my part here lol)

Captain America Side (Players on the same page as Cappy)

Hoffman
Mannering
Johnson
Kata
Wright
Fus
Leuluai

Iron Man Side (Players not on the same page as Cappy)

Matulino
Vatuvei
Lolohea (Though publicly says he backs Cappy 100% How can you when you been dropped and swap all over the place?)
Thompson
Gavet
Lillyman (Not necessarily against Cappy just looking at his retirement contract already)

I wont list any other players yet just my personal thoughts I wanted to share

But one would say without clear proof its all in my head lol but as TL says "It is what it is!"

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

They won't clean out the roster, they think they have a window to challenge. That's debatable and they do need to change the culture so that would be the way to do it

Cappy has to go, he's not up to it that's clear, so proven or unproven it needs to be someone new

The worry is true do the standard bullshit internal old boys review and conclude they need a kiwi to mesh with the culture of the playing group

Test for Doyle, the club is diabolical

Why wouldn't they? We have had some many coaches recently that the only thing left is the player group. Though those coaches were not superb ones the players need to aim up or piss off. It's understanding the hate McFadden gets on here but some, if not most of it should be aimed at the players. The coach comes up with the ideas, if the players don't execute it properly with poor passes or just stupid football that is the players onus. The selections thing gets on my nerves tho and is purely on McFadden. I reckon it would be more effective removing some players that dont buy into Cappys idea than to let the core rot remain with another unproven

 

[JJ]

Simply because they've invested heavily in Luke, RTS, Johnson, Mannering etc and have the belief/delusion they can give the comp a shake

Clean out would take several seasons anyway, it would be my preference but means continuing to be crap, which is par anyway

 

[JJ]

Why wouldn't they? We have had some many coaches recently that the only thing left is the player group. Though those coaches were not superb ones the players need to aim up or piss off. It's understanding the hate McFadden gets on here but some, if not most of it should be aimed at the players. The coach comes up with the ideas, if the players don't execute it properly with poor passes or just stupid football that is the players onus. The selections thing gets on my nerves tho and is purely on McFadden. I reckon it would be more effective removing some players that dont buy into Cappys idea than to let the core rot remain with another unproven

And what exactly is Cappy's idea/vision/plan??? Use wingers as props and wait for Johnson to do something special?

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Simply because they've invested heavily in Luke, RTS, Johnson, Mannering etc and have the belief/delusion they can give the comp a shake

Clean out would take several seasons anyway, it would be my preference but means continuing to be crap, which is par anyway

No it only takes a season or 2 look at the Raiders. 2014 they were near the bottom off the table then 2016 on the top, They have impressed the whole NRL with their turn around it can be done

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

And what exactly is Cappy's idea/vision/plan??? Use wingers as props and wait for Johnson to do something special?

Now your just letting emotions cloud your judgement. What happens if we get a better coach and the results remain the same? Its possible too. Just imagine we manage to pull Bellamy for 3 years and we won no premiership? Not only would that be detrimental to our club and fans, we would ruin his reputation as a good coach if he doesn't die of a heart attack first

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Right now I'd take Kidwell. Would prolly even give Kearney another shot. But would rather Cleary or Toovey.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

And on the radio this morning we have Hoffman also defending the coach saying its not his fault for this years results, if this proves to be the case and he remains I would expect a big clean out of the playing roster.

It'll be new coach, player clean out or both. Jake and Hoff are just getting their brown nosing in early.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Coaches that I would replace for Cappy to fit our mould would be: Cleary, Kidwell or even Kearney

It'll be new coach, player clean out or both. Jake and Hoff are just getting their brown nosing in early.

I wouldn't place your eggs all in the one basket mate. If we don't get a new coach would you rule us out of 2017? I would move only players so the players know that this club wont take any crap from player power again.

I totally agree for the coaches you mentioned, someone who commands respect is what we need but anyone else would be bad bad bad.

I think I got all my shit of my chest now lol

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Now your just letting emotions cloud your judgement. What happens if we get a better coach and the results remain the same? Its possible too. Just imagine we manage to pull Bellamy for 3 years and we won no premiership? Not only would that be detrimental to our club and fans, we would ruin his reputation as a good coach if he doesn't die of a heart attack first

What happens if we get a better coach and results stay the same? Let's find out. I don't know what you're getting at with it being detrimental to club and fans. Why, because we'd be sold a dream that became a nightmare? We've had that for five seasons. So what's the difference.

Here's the facts: Ivan Cleary got a side that included recidivist misfits Mateo, Inu, Locke, Packer and co to the GF. Also in that squad was Manu, SJ, Mannering, Matulino who remain today. Three of those four were better 5 years ago and only Manu could claim age/body is holding him back.

So why do you think a good coach - and some even claim Ivan isn't a good coach - couldn't turn this around? Of course they could. And don't you want to find out if they can? McFail has more than revealed himself to be an inept coach. Our defence sucks. We are actually probably worse than when he took over, yet we have a stronger squad. I'm yet to hear a decent defence for why he should stay.

 

[Blair]

Now your just letting emotions cloud your judgement. What happens if we get a better coach and the results remain the same? Its possible too. Just imagine we manage to pull Bellamy for 3 years and we won no premiership? Not only would that be detrimental to our club and fans, we would ruin his reputation as a good coach if he doesn't die of a heart attack first

Winning a premiership is the ultimate aim, but realistically (even with someone like Bellamy) we should just be aiming to get into a position where we regularly make the play-offs again, such as under Anderson and Cleary.

You watch, if that happens then we have a great chance at a premiership, again.

 

[spear tackle]

I've said it before and so have others, as long as the season review (or post mortem) is conducted by someone with no mates at the club, knows the game, the business side and can suss out whats going wrong and deliver an honest assessment and its followed through with maybe the team can move forward. Until that happens we're stuck in the mud and will have to accept below par results as the norm.
I actually don't think theres a lot wrong at the Warriors but whatever it is its having a huge impact on the entire setup.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Forget the stupid notion that our CEO has mixed allegiances.

How do you KNOW that though...equally said, how do I know that he does have mixed allegiance. For me its Doyles persistance with Cappy, you do a bad job you get sacked but it seems like Doyle likes all this losing.

Conspiracy? Its possible, you cant prove either way. Nobody knew some of NRL games had been match fixed, further supports just how much we dont know about this competition thats forever on the news (e.g. salary cap, match fixing, bagmen, doping).

NZ is the best at Union, weve shocked them by winning the RLWC, they will be DAMNED if we win the NRL. The egotistic, alpha male Australian heads at the top will see to it they pay whoever (e.g. reffs, C.E.Os, coaches) to make sure we have a difficult time. Im not excusing our poor performances just thinking outside the box. The greatest trick the devil ever played was making the world think that he doesnt exist. I have my doubts about Doyle but he would help erase them if he sacks Cappy.

 

[spear tackle]

Coaches that I would replace for Cappy to fit our mould would be: Cleary, Kidwell or even Kearney


I wouldn't place your eggs all in the one basket mate. If we don't get a new coach would you rule us out of 2017? I would move only players so the players know that this club wont take any crap from player power again.

I totally agree for the coaches you mentioned, someone who commands respect is what we need but anyone else would be bad bad bad.

I think I got all my shit of my chest now lol

Well several coaches on and the same problems remain, so it cant be the just the coaches, we have a new CEO, U20's coach and NSW cup coach and recruitment manager , the only thing that hasn't been changed a lot is the player roster, having said that I'm no expert just a casual observer with a faulty brain as well I might ad