Who replaces Cappy?

[SpaceMonkey]

How do you KNOW that though...equally said, how do I know that he does have mixed allegiance. For me its Doyles persistance with Cappy, you do a bad job you get sacked but it seems like Doyle likes all this losing.

Conspiracy? Its possible, you cant prove either way. Nobody knew some of NRL games had been match fixed, further supports just how much we dont know about this competition thats forever on the news (e.g. salary cap, match fixing, bagmen, doping).

NZ is the best at Union, weve shocked them by winning the RLWC, they will be DAMNED if we win the NRL. The egotistic, alpha male Australian heads at the top will see to it they pay whoever (e.g. reffs, C.E.Os, coaches) to make sure we have a difficult time. Im not excusing our poor performances just thinking outside the box. The greatest trick the devil ever played was making the world think that he doesnt exist. I have my doubts about Doyle but he would help erase them if he sacks Cappy.

Your insinuation that he's some sort of Aussie plant is ridiculous though. For one he's not an Aussie as you wrongly claimed. 5 minutes of googling will give you ample proof of the fact that he has far more ties to NZ than Australia. He made his fortune in NZ and s large part of his reason for taking the Warriors role was to be able to move home.

 

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• Are the players in the Warriors good? Yes
• Have any of them played for higher honours? (e.g. Origin, Country rep) Eleven of them
• Did they have any highly regarded players? From 2015 newsmedia praises; Ben Matulino, Shaun Johnson, Issac Luke, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.
• In 2015 were they tipped to be a good side for 2016? Hell yes!

Well if the team personnel is good it could only be 2 people and thats Cappy and Doyle for keeping him on. That is my view of why we aint in the f**kin 8.

 

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Your insinuation that he's some sort of Aussie plant is ridiculous though. For one he's not an Aussie as you wrongly claimed. 5 minutes of googling will give you ample proof of the fact that he has far more ties to NZ than Australia. He made his fortune in NZ and s large part of his reason for taking the Warriors role was to be able to move home.

Youre not comprehending though. You have a listening barrier similar to cognitive dissonance. I dont care if he was born in Mt. Smart Stadium. You are not getting the point Im making. Ok read my post again. Born in NZ? Fine, heres your medal. Now read a post for the point it looks to make.

If someone tells you to jump, I got the feeling youre the type to jump.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Well several coaches on and the same problems remain, so it cant be the just the coaches, we have a new CEO, U20's coach and NSW cup coach and recruitment manager , the only thing that hasn't been changed a lot is the player roster, having said that I'm no expert just a casual observer with a faulty brain as well I might ad

When those coaches are Bluey, Elliott and Cappy (all of whom have serious question marks over them) I'm not inclined to say "it's not the coach".
On the subject of coaching and why Cappy hasn't already been sacked I'd invite people to look at our history of mid season sackings and whether any of them have worked. We had Monie (replaced by Endacott, who didn't do much) Anderson (replaced by Kemp, fail), Bluey (replaced by Iro as caretaker then Elliott, fail) and Elliott (replaced by Cappy (fail). It almost never works as it gives an impression of a club in chaos and results in rushed appointments of whoever will take the job. Sonetimes you have to do it when a coach conpletely loses the dressing room (Bluey) but really it's a move to be avoided at all costs. Sacking Ls should come after the post season review or at the earliest when a team is out of finals contention- which has only been our status for two days now.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Youre not comprehending though. You have a listening barrier similar to cognitive dissonance. I dont care if he was born in Mt. Smart Stadium. You are not getting the point Im making. Ok read my post again. Born in NZ? Fine, heres your medal. Now read a post for the point it looks to make.

If someone tells you to jump, I got the feeling youre the type to jump.

And you strike me as one of those sad kiwis with a huge chip on his shoulder about Australians. Most Aussies have nothing against the Warriors, in fact they'd often rather see us win than many other sides they have historic grudges against.

 

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And you strike me as one of those sad kiwis with a huge chip on his shoulder about Australians. Most Aussies have nothing against the Warriors, in fact they'd often rather see us win than many other sides they have historic grudges against.

Oh god youve fallen off the rails. Lets stick to the point. Forget what nationality he is ok, can you do that? Geez..

 

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And you strike me as one of those sad kiwis with a huge chip on his shoulder about Australians. Most Aussies have nothing against the Warriors, in fact they'd often rather see us win than many other sides they have historic grudges against.

Look at your post, its nonsense that you now speak on behalf of all the Aussies and adding that the Aussies would rather us win??..Im sorry but that sounds like nonsense to me.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Oh god youve fallen off the rails. Lets stick to the point. Forget what nationality he is ok, can you do that? Geez..

Irrespective of his nationality the idea that he's here to keep us mediocre is geniused. Do you think Eric Watson wants that? Every year the team underperform he loses hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue from tickets, merch and potential sponsorship.

 

[spear tackle]

When those coaches are Bluey, Elliott and Cappy (all of whom have serious question marks over them) I'm not inclined to say "it's not the coach".
On the subject of coaching and why Cappy hasn't already been sacked I'd invite people to look at our history of mid season sackings and whether any of them have worked. We had Monie (replaced by Endacott, who didn't do much) Anderson (replaced by Kemp, fail), Bluey (replaced by Iro as caretaker then Elliott, fail) and Elliott (replaced by Cappy (fail). It almost never works as it gives an impression of a club in chaos and results in rushed appointments of whoever will take the job. Sonetimes you have to do it when a coach conpletely loses the dressing room (Bluey) but really it's a move to be avoided at all costs. Sacking Ls should come after the post season review or at the earliest when a team is out of finals contention- which has only been our status for two days now.

Yep and with our history of mid season sacking I doubt you'll find an established coach who wants to move across the Tasman at this point and time to have a go, the next one will not be a Bennett or Bellamy although I hope I'm wrong

 

[SpaceMonkey]

f**k me. We should've taken the rabid Lion out the back and shot him ages ago, his disease is spreading.

 

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Irrespective of his nationality the idea that he's here to keep us mediocre is geniused. Do you think Eric Watson wants that? Every year the team underperform he loses hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue from tickets, merch and potential sponsorship.

Yeah but can you prove otherwise? Can you PROVE there isnt a conspiracy? Thats what I can LEARN from you, untill then I learn nothing!

 

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f**k me. We should've taken the rabid Lion out the back and shot him ages ago, his disease is spreading.

Nah dont try to be funny and we we we. You need the boys to back you up son? Lol. This is between me and you. Grow a pair and stick to you and me. Posters here know I stand on my own two feet. You go and get your boys if you like, to support your posts lol. So childish IMO, just a forum, not the street. Ill be here waiting, for YOU.

What were talking about which is can you prove otherwise? If not then fine, I dont win.

 

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Irrespective of his nationality the idea that he's here to keep us mediocre is geniused. Do you think Eric Watson wants that? Every year the team underperform he loses hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue from tickets, merch and potential sponsorship.

Can you prove my theory wrong? Thats all Im asking, basically a yes or no. If you can though, that would be great! Remember the losing of the team is blamed on Cappy not Doyle, thats in regards to the losing in ticket revenue etc..

 

[jaseg]

Cappy must go only if we got someone proven. Its a gamble more so going with someone untested when most of the players (Not all) like and back Cappy genuinely. I strongly believe now that their are a few players that are bad eggs (We all have own opinions on who they are) that need to be sorted. Recommending the above coaches maybe possible to get better results but who knows how our team will respond, it could actually be worse considering how tight the players are with each other. I wouldn't want another player power incident to occur again these guys need to buck the hell up

A gamble implies that we lose something we previously had if it doesn't work out. If we sack Cappy, hire an unproven guy and he doesn't work out - we don't lose... we're exactly where we were to begin with. But taking the new guy option gives us the chance of success. Make no mistake - Cappy's had plenty of time, if he were going to be a successful coach we would have seen it by now. And it's not just his results - his gameplan doesn't work, his decision making.. it's inconsistent and just horrible.

The 'proven' argument kind of falls flat also when you look at the guys winning premierships. In the NRL era, only a handful of coaches have managed to win a grand final at a club other than the one they made their NRL coaching debut at. Anderson @ Storm, Lang @ Panthers, Sheens @ Tigers & Bennett @ Dragons. Every other grand final was won by guys at their first club. That's 78% of grand finals won by guys who were 'unproven' when they got that job.

The key is picking someone who has proven themselves in lower grades. We can see that in the last three grand final winners.. Green (2nd season head coach), Maguire (3rd) & Robinson (1st).

If you want to avoid sacking guys mid-season, that's totally fine. But forcing your club into losing stasis because you must see out every contract? Not a chance. As for the 'those top coaches will never come if we don't see out contracts' line of argument - Bennett has twice taken over at clubs where the previous head coach had a year or more left on his contract.

Yeah but can you prove otherwise? Can you PROVE there isnt a conspiracy? Thats what I can LEARN from you, untill then I learn nothing!

Onus of proof is always on the claimant. Particularly when making a rather outlandish claim.

Here's just the tip of the iceberg RE counter-claim; Doyle isn't Australian, he has a track record as the savior of NZ rugby league and no vested interest in Australian clubs. Unless you can prove that there's money changing hands or something, it's a conspiracy theory - a bad one.

 

[Izz]

Just fyi guys, but the ignore function works way better now on the revamped forum than it did on the old one...

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

So much hostility!
What in the blue blazers is going on here??

 

[SpaceMonkey]

So much hostility!
What in the blue blazers is going on here??

f**k me. We should've taken the rabid Lion out the back and shot him ages ago, his disease is spreading.

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Onus of proof is always on the claimant. Particularly when making a rather outlandish claim.

Here's just the tip of the iceberg RE counter-claim; Doyle isn't Australian, he has a track record as the savior of NZ rugby league and no vested interest in Australian clubs. Unless you can prove that there's money changing hands or something, it's a conspiracy theory - a bad one.

Fair point and as initially stated, I have no proof of my conspiracy theory. It is possible though as outlandish as it is, we do know that much. Almost as outlandish when Tui who was going good at fullback, I dared to say he wasn't a fullback many moons ago (and now look..). Imagine our board all thought the same on everything, yes we'd be harmoniously restricted in our thinking.

My conspiracy theory is undercover efforts to make sure the Warriors don't succed. Is there a reason with an "outside the box" theory? Well we're not succeding and why can WE all see that Cappy is the problem and someone so "smart" as Doyle can't? I think Doyle can see what we're seeing and there's a reason why he ain't doing anything.

The true test of Doyle will be wheather or not he FINALLY gets rid of Cappy.

On a side note, Doyle's done jack for me, RTS and Luke came for deeper reasons not cause Doyle convinced them.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

So much hostility!
What in the blue blazers is going on here??

Someone needs back up. Can't stand on his own two feet. Childish mentality where "oh someone disagrees with me, boys come and help me, I need help" - geez pathetic.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Anyway...

Absolutely laughable that the players have gone to the CEO and Board apparently to say they are behind McFail. f**k that. Those are words. Meaningless words.

I think we all acknowledge defense is heart and attitude. As I've said, past two years - 3rd worst defense and this year 2nd worst. That's your tangible display of how much they back the coach. Points aren't always easy to come by but it's pretty basic to work under some sort of structure, back the guy inside and outside you and bar up to make tackles. We haven't. That proves we don't want the coach. But funnily enough we probably do, because God forbid we get a task master like Toovey or Maguire who will disrupt our half-assed is good enough, premierships mean nothing when we can gain cash and social media followers, tail wagging the dog scenario over here.