Who replaces Cappy?

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

He picked Ata as a utility half, Cappy must have forgotten what Ata did in the pivot position the week before and put him in the stationary ruck position to just pass from the ground. Luke was going to need a rest and thats why IMO Cappy made Ata a utility half.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Just read the Herald and realised our defence was the second-worst this season, only ahead of the most terrible side in NRL/Winfield Cup history.

It was third worst last year. That's two years in a row where he's had full autonomy over results and we've been in the bottom three for defence. We were ninth in 2014, so clearly we are getting progressively worse.

Sorry McFail, you gotta go. I cannot see how you look past those stats, which correct me if I'm wrong league experts but that's the stat you attend to when you look to win premierships.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Doyle decided we persist with his shocking selections and substitutions and uselessness.

Doyle is very weary on Cappy's performance. He cannot just fire him without giving him a proper go at it. It would send the wrong message for any other future coach that may want to try us out. Doyle is 100% professional and trust me he will have a few cards up his sleeves

 

[One Warrior]

Doyle is very weary on Cappy's performance. He cannot just fire him without giving him a proper go at it. It would send the wrong message for any other future coach that may want to try us out. Doyle is 100% professional and trust me he will have a few cards up his sleeves

He's had nearly three years, that's enough time, sack him already, I realise it won't be this week, but I expect it to happen next Monday morning if Cappy hasn't already fallen on his sword.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Doyle is very weary on Cappy's performance. He cannot just fire him without giving him a proper go at it. It would send the wrong message for any other future coach that may want to try us out. Doyle is 100% professional and trust me he will have a few cards up his sleeves

Doyle is a huge Kangaroos fan. Cappys been at it for awhile now and statistics suggest we are getting worse, Doyle knows this.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

He's had nearly three years, that's enough time, sack him already, I realise it won't be this week, but I expect it to happen next Monday morning if Cappy hasn't already fallen on his sword.

Yeah I didn't say he shouldn't be fired. I mentioned Doyle knows that results are everything and he will have some moves up his sleeves. The only way Cappy stays is if they couldn't get anyone proven / better than our current one. I'm not interested in another rookie with promise (We have one of those now lol)

Doyle taking his time with the possible firing is classy, we don't need to action such a move at this time. If we keep Cappy it's not because Doyle sucks at his job it means nobody else is a proven better coach or that nobody wants to come here period, Doyle has to make it look as stable as possible to make sure we do land a top coach

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Yeah I didn't say he shouldn't be fired. I mentioned Doyle knows that results are everything and he will have some moves up his sleeves. The only way Cappy stays is if they couldn't get anyone proven / better than our current one. I'm not interested in another rookie with promise (We have one of those now lol)

Doyle taking his time with the possible firing is classy, we don't need to action such a move at this time. If we keep Cappy it's not because Doyle sucks at his job it means nobody else is a proven better coach or that nobody wants to come here period, Doyle has to make it look as stable as possible to make sure we do land a top coach

Mate we'd be bringing in an unproven for an unproven. Cappy is NOT proven, let's remember that. It'll be hell for Doyle if he doesn't get rid of him. It'll be too much talking shit on Doyle's part.

 

[Mr Angry]

So how many days after the last game before he is told "services no longer required"?

I will go Monday 2pm NZT

 

[Rich102]

I think he already knows.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Mate we'd be bringing in an unproven for an unproven. Cappy is NOT proven, let's remember that. It'll be hell for Doyle if he doesn't get rid of him. It'll be too much talking shit on Doyle's part.

If we fire coaches before their time is up that sends the wrong signal to those looking into our mob. Coaches like most of us would like some sort of security in getting a proper shot in building something strong. If we fire Cappy before his contract finishes in 2017 we would look very very fragile to a proven coach. Yes there are rookies out there that have the potential to be better than McFadden however stability is key for us to get that maiden premiership. I dont like it either but it is what it is and we need to look like we have a foundation that's concrete for a coach to be successful here

 

[jaseg]

If we fire coaches before their time is up that sends the wrong signal to those looking into our mob. Coaches like most of us would like some sort of security in getting a proper shot in building something strong. If we fire Cappy before his contract finishes in 2017 we would look very very fragile to a proven coach. Yes there are rookies out there that have the potential to be better than McFadden however stability is key for us to get that maiden premiership. I dont like it either but it is what it is and we need to look like we have a foundation that's concrete for a coach to be successful here

This applied last year, but not anymore.

He's had 2 full years and 19 games on top of that to get it right, and failed in each season.

No coach is going to look at us firing him as not giving him a proper shot at this stage. He's had a good shot - and he's now a proven failure.

As for the stability argument; yes and no. You don't want to be turning over major parts of your roster each year, but that does not necessarily apply to the head coach role. What would have happened with the Cowboys if they had continued with Neil Henry for stability's sake? Moving into other sports; the easiest example is Chelsea.. they tend to change their head coach every 2-3 years and often pick up silverware despite being in a very competitive (at the top end) league - for much of that run they were pitted against the very stable clubs of Man Utd (not so stable anymore, but during the majority of Chelsea's title contention period they had Ferguson) and Arsenal (Wenger)... and still picked up titles.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

So how many days after the last game before he is told "services no longer required"?

I will go Monday 2pm NZT

It doesn't have to be announced anytime soon. Especially if Doyle and the club have not landed anyone yet. Having said that I hope the hot heads on here get behind the team. I am looking forward to a player sweep out more than a coach one. (And I'm not a McFadden fanatic) but these muppets that dont think or execute well need to get out

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

If we fire coaches before their time is up that sends the wrong signal to those looking into our mob. Coaches like most of us would like some sort of security in getting a proper shot in building something strong. If we fire Cappy before his contract finishes in 2017 we would look very very fragile to a proven coach. Yes there are rookies out there that have the potential to be better than McFadden however stability is key for us to get that maiden premiership. I dont like it either but it is what it is and we need to look like we have a foundation that's concrete for a coach to be successful here

I understand a potential coaches perspective to wonder about job security. I got all that way back on Phils post, no problem there. However I think there are coaches out there that look past that because with the players at the club, some or all of them are bound to be thinking "how is that team not in the top 8?" There'll be coaches out there thinking 'next year a success for the Warriors would be a top 8 finish, that's achievable.' It was defintely on the cards this year had Cappy known how to play his hand right and that's the problem for Cappy.

Doubts like job security could easily put at ease with conditions for both parties to walk away with a win-win negotiation. He's had 3 years, we are getting worse, it's been publicised since the start of the year that's he's on the chopping board, a new coach shouldn't be put off at whatever happens to be Cappy as I'd imagine them to be more excited about what they plan to do.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

This applied last year, but not anymore.

He's had 2 full years and 19 games on top of that to get it right, and failed in each season.

No coach is going to look at us firing him as not giving him a proper shot at this stage. He's had a good shot - and he's now a proven failure.

As for the stability argument; yes and no. You don't want to be turning over major parts of your roster each year, but that does not necessarily apply to the head coach role. What would have happened with the Cowboys if they had continued with Neil Henry for stability's sake? Moving into other sports; the easiest example is Chelsea.. they tend to change their head coach every 2-3 years and often pick up silverware despite being in a very competitive (at the top end) league - for much of that run they were pitted against the very stable clubs of Man Utd (not so stable anymore, but during the majority of Chelsea's title contention period they had Ferguson) and Arsenal (Wenger)... and still picked up titles.

His contract expires in 2017, lets see it out so anyone who comes here knows they have a 3 year window on getting things right. We have fired coaches way before they expire recently so if we reel that in we will look a bit more attractive to a good coach. Im all for a good coach trust me but we need to do it correctly, I would love it if we land someone that makes us all smile and cheer at the end of this year / now but we all know supporting this side. But this will only happen if we get someone proven, If we get another good potential rookie I will feel hollow for 2017

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I am looking forward to a player sweep out more than a coach one. (And I'm not a McFadden fanatic) but these muppets that dont think or execute well need to get out

One question, these muppets that perform like...muppets. Who rewards them selection?
They can lay back, kick their feet back cos of who you reckon? Bit like Cappy as well, he can destroy our team and who rewards Cappy selection? Do something Doyle my Aussie boy or you will feel the wrath of the kiwis!

 

[jaseg]

His contract expires in 2017, lets see it out so anyone who comes here knows they have a 3 year window on getting things right. We have fired coaches way before they expire recently so if we reel that in we will look a bit more attractive to a good coach. Im all for a good coach trust me but we need to do it correctly, I would love it if we land someone that makes us all smile and cheer at the end of this year / now but we all know supporting this side. But this will only happen if we get someone proven, If we get another good potential rookie I will feel hollow for 2017

So you'd prefer to waste (and make no mistake, we've seen enough of Cappy - it would be an absolute waste) a year in which we have potentially the best roster in the clubs history? Based on what, the idea of a coach that might come a year later, but also might not (and which coach might that be)?

No.

There is an element of timeliness here, thanks to the cyclical nature of the competition (via the salary cap effect). Failing to take advantage of opportunity is criminal in the long term.

Cappy must go, and he needs to go now. Nobody should get away with complete failure over that long a time period and be allowed to continue. Even if it's for a rookie - at least they aren't proven failures, and some have pretty great track records (unlike Cappy did when he was appointed).

I'd take either Brennan or the Walkers (would lean towards Walkers... they will likely change the NRL at some club.. why not us? the best coaches do things that are different at the time, which everyone later copies.. Bellamy's defensive techniques and structures, Hasler's block play based attack etc), though Toovey would be my first choice since he has never been the type to put up with crap.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Geez what if Wheeled Warriors right and Cappy does stay on for those reasons...

Our board would go CRAZY!!

 

[Penrose Warrior]

If we fire coaches before their time is up that sends the wrong signal to those looking into our mob. Coaches like most of us would like some sort of security in getting a proper shot in building something strong. If we fire Cappy before his contract finishes in 2017 we would look very very fragile to a proven coach. Yes there are rookies out there that have the potential to be better than McFadden however stability is key for us to get that maiden premiership. I dont like it either but it is what it is and we need to look like we have a foundation that's concrete for a coach to be successful here

Don't know if I agree with that. Coaches know this is a cut-throat professional environment. Bennett walks away from contracts at almost every turn, and the great coaches know they're good enough to stay the journey. Untested coaches will take any chance they get.

Stability is one thing, continuing with a guy who has clearly exhibited to not be up to it is another.

Can anyone say what he has shown to deserve to go on? Is it solely 'we need stability', 'coz we can't find a better coach' etc? Because those are shithouse reasons.

I cannot see what McFail can walk into a season review with to the CEO and Board in terms of keeping his job. What can he point to? Taking us from 7th worst defense to 3rd worst to 2nd worst? To exactly the same position on the table? To a worse win percentage than the mug he followed into the job? Someone might say he's brought on young players. True. But what club doesn't that happen at? Somewhere along the line, rookies will get better and in some cases become very good ie Fus and Kata. In Fus' case I'd argue it took longer than it would've elsewhere. And Tui we all know has gone backwards. Senior players ie Matulino, Manu have had horrible years on and off the field.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

So how many days after the last game before he is told "services no longer required"?

I will go Monday 2pm NZT

I think it'll be closer to November than August. They'll probably try and bury it beneath something like a vital All Blacks Test or something else to keep the heat off it - that is if he is being forced to resign.

One thing Jim Doyle is not, is Wayne Scurrah. Wayne Scurrah would fire him tomorrow and have Andrew Webster coach the final game, as he did with Bluey in 2012. Doyle will have a full and thorough season review I would imagine, where he will invite McFail to present his case to stay on - which he's probably owed as he is still on contract. f**k knows what he could possibly offer apart from the BS support from players in the media.

But as I've said before, this is the first real acid test of Jim Doyle. If he f**ks this up and keeps McFail on, or has been unable to line anyone up of decent quality to replace him, it could possibly be his legacy to have failed to appoint a coach of quality in what is quite possibly our strongest squad (on paper) of all-time.

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

One question, these muppets that perform like...muppets. Who rewards them selection?
They can lay back, kick their feet back cos of who you reckon? Bit like Cappy as well, he can destroy our team and who rewards Cappy selection? Do something Doyle my Aussie boy or you will feel the wrath of the kiwis!

Calm down son, Doyle is a god send to our club. He has the highest respect in all RL circles and has the pedigree to get us in a better shape than you can imagine. The fact of the matter is not all down to an inept coach that's out of his league. It's also players who think they are bigger than the are. They were working as a unit for 10 weeks straight (A f**ken miracle with our mob) and then they switch off and drop balls when their season is over? Hes not going to bring any green or NSW players up when we have our season on the line. He would of thought that these established veteran players would have lifted, they didn't (Except Mannering never question him ever you hear me Iron Lion lol)

I also dont think the fans will aim their wrath at Doyle (Remember hes only been here for a short time) though misguided hot heads will blame anyone and anything without thinking about the whole way it works with a RL Organisation.

The solution to becoming an attractive club when losing is to show that we don't fire coaches by not honoring contracts out to their end. If an offer came in that is so much better than we have now then by all means we do it (Doyle would too) But Im afraid we look like the reject that nobody chooses in their basketball team at school, therefor I cannot see any top proven coach wanting us yet. Ivan Cleary will do as a minimum for me. It's not a step backwards as many are saying