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Who replaces Cappy?

Penrose Warrior

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To me it just shows the lack of desire in our squad. Would 17 or 25 blokes who want to win a premiership unanimously decide to keep on a coach with a 44% winning record, who has no history of success at any level when there might be someone better out there to get us into the finals and deeper? No. But our guys seem to value holidays in September.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11702127

Hoffman also said the players had all spoken together about keeping McFadden on board and it was a unanimous decision.
Cheers.

Youre always going to get that bond especially if youre a core figure in that inner sanctum. Naturally in dreaded times a group comes together as group norms go and its good to see them in support.

For me, it further shows how ineffective Cappys coaching is. Hes got the good players, hes got their 100% and theyre all playing to how hes prepared them and to his structures. They were playing to keep their coach and that in itself is not a real purpose, it wont bring the best out of you. Thats not a why, James J Braddock the Cinderella Man had a why.

"Its either the coach or the players" - Albert Vete (2016).
 

Penrose Warrior

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That's a very good point. The players are saying the coach has their support, 100%. So this coach, with 100% support of the players, has guided them to 10th, 11th in wins achieved (if we lose to the Eels). Not a great statement for his abilities. For the first third of the year, it seems he didn't have their support and we were 15th. So yeah, that's who we're dealing with.
 

ozbash

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If it looks like bullshit, sounds like bullshit... chances are..

If we lose this weekend, the club will be crucified by the media.
 

SpaceMonkey

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We shall see regarding the board (Doyle). We shall see..

I'm referring to the almost predictable "the coach has the full backing of the board" statements you always hear a week before they get sacked ;)

Personally I think he's a dead man walking. Up until now there have been compelling reasons not to sack him but at the end of the day the bar for this year was set at making the finals and he's had no injury crisis or major off field dramas to derail the season to that extent this year. A coach needs to at least show that he's making some steady improvement with a squad but IMO we're more or less exactly where we were when Elliott was sacked, but with a better roster.
 

Leber

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Totally out of left field here.... But what about Steve antonelli?

Led the Mounties to the top of the table two years in a row and has been coaching lower grades for a long time.
 

JJ

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If it looks like bullshit, sounds like bullshit... chances are..

If we lose this weekend, the club will be crucified by the media.
Yeah, probably bullshit

I don't understand why the media have taken it so easy on them, they are ridiculous, f**king ridiculous
 

Rich102

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Bums on seats. That will eventually decide if Cappy stays or goes.
Will the crowd still support the Warriors if he is resigned and they lose 6 of the first 10 games next year?
 

Rich102

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Greg Alexander admits to being baffled by the Warriors' travails.

But the former NRL, State of Origin and Australian test star - who is making his mark as league's high profile TV comments man - says time should be called on coach Andrew McFadden after two extremely disappointing seasons.

The Warriors' top eight hopes disintegrated in the shock defeat to the Tigers at Mt Smart Stadium meaning a fifth consecutive season without finals football. The silence from Warriors HQ has been deafening since Sunday with none of the usual support for McFadden from chief executive Jim Doyle.

Former Warrior Alexander said: "I forecast the Warriors in my top eight again and they pulled the wool over my eyes again. I don't know what I was thinking considering they lost eight in a row at the end of last season with the same coach. I need to lay on a couch and be examined.

"We seem to go in circles and end up saying the same things again and again.

But five years outside the top eight is way too long for a side like the Warriors.

"Yes, just for the hell of it (change the coach). We can go through all those reasons, the things that might have conspired against them. But it didn't work last year, and it didn't work this year. So change it.

"I was surprised he stayed after losing the last eight games last year. I thought 'that's it'. That can't work. It's obviously broken and needs to be fixed."

Mark Gasnier, another former Aussie star turned top TV analyst, was non-committal over the coaching situation, saying club insiders alone would know the "culture and dynamics". But he was mystified by some McFadden selections, suggesting the coach was trying to keep others happy with regular changes in the halves and at fullback once Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was injured.

"I definitely don't have enough information to offer an opinion on whether he should stay or not," Gasnier said. "But sometimes you have to make (selection) decisions that don't please everyone but benefit the group."

Is there light at the end of the tunnel then?

"At the moment, the game doesn't always reward the most talented team but instead rewards the most disciplined and patient and some might even say boring teams," said Gasnier.

"The Warriors have to find that balance - their problems are more mental than physical. Consistency is the key to unlocking the Warriors. It's not as if you guys can't do it though - look at the All Blacks. They are a perfect balance of extreme talent and being really mentally tough."

Gasnier said his time at the Dragons proved a point.

"We had a champion team in 2005 and 2006 but were inconsistent and didn't win a comp," said Gasnier.

"In 2010 we had a lesser team on paper but one that was broken down to jobs that individuals needed to do to achieve our goal, a premiership. The most important thing was an unbelievable commitment to that goal both on and off the field."

Australian league caller Andrew Voss, who covered the Warriors in 2013, believes the club must confirm its coaching intentions quickly, and thinks McFadden deserves another season to prove his worth...unless Storm supremo Craig Bellamy becomes available.

Voss said: "I take things like injuries and golden point defeats on board. But from all angles they have under-achieved - I predicted they would make the top four.

"They need to sort out their defence - poor defence puts too much pressure on the attack. There are numbers you can't avoid - they conceded 36 points on Sunday, and 561 for the season. Only one club has conceded more.

"Every great coach will tell you that when it comes to defence, you can give players structure but it takes effort and attitude. Individually and collectively, they have to take a look at themselves."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11701965
 
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How do you KNOW that though...equally said, how do I know that he does have mixed allegiance. For me its Doyles persistance with Cappy, you do a bad job you get sacked but it seems like Doyle likes all this losing.

Conspiracy? Its possible, you cant prove either way. Nobody knew some of NRL games had been match fixed, further supports just how much we dont know about this competition thats forever on the news (e.g. salary cap, match fixing, bagmen, doping).

NZ is the best at Union, weve shocked them by winning the RLWC, they will be DAMNED if we win the NRL. The egotistic, alpha male Australian heads at the top will see to it they pay whoever (e.g. reffs, C.E.Os, coaches) to make sure we have a difficult time. Im not excusing our poor performances just thinking outside the box. The greatest trick the devil ever played was making the world think that he doesnt exist. I have my doubts about Doyle but he would help erase them if he sacks Cappy.

Wow your imagination runs wild dude. Doyle is for us not against us. Stability is key to his past successes and it's always a challenge to start. Trust in the Doyle
 

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