Who replaces Cappy?

[Rich102]

How many changes has Tana made to the Blues? After 2 games?
Just asking.

 

[ozbash]

How many changes has Tana made to the Blues? After 2 games?
Just asking.

He's allowed, he's a legend.

Cappy's not..


Do we need a rotation policy ?

 

[Rich102]

Yeah. Rotate off anybody who has a crap game and give somebody deserving a go.
Make them value their jersey.

 

[ozbash]

Make them value their jersey.

bingo

you should be coach, we'd never lose. They would be busting their bits to play next week..

 

[spear tackle]

If it ever comes out certain players are dragging the chain to ruin the coaches chances I hope they follow them out the door as well and its made public why they were canned

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Yeah. Rotate off anybody who has a crap game and give somebody deserving a go.
Make them value their jersey.

Manu to NSW cup along with Robson and Kata on round 1 performance.

 

[Skinner]

Yeah. Rotate off anybody who has a crap game and give somebody deserving a go.
Make them value their jersey.

I love your work Rich

 

[Auckland4ever]

Just throwing this out there, but is it beyond reason to suggest that the journey for a grassroots league player in NZ to the Warriors is a fair bit different than the journey for a grassroots NSW or QLD player to the NRL? There are so many more players over there, to make it to the top would likely involve being in pressure-cooker situations, where you have to dig deep and grind your way through games on a much more regular basis from the younger grades up. On top of that, there are also way more coaches over there, so a lot more young players get exposure to good coaching early.

We dominate rugby because our coaches have often been the ones that have been the most innovative in the game and that knowledge gets fed down to our strong local competitions. It's the same for league in Australia. An Australian RL apprenticeship comes with a good grounding in the game that results in players having a strong resolve and greater intuition when it comes to dealing with what is confronting them.

Is there any definitive proof that Warriors players don't have pride in the club or care about their performances? I think a lot of the problem is simply that the locally developed players haven't had the same ingrained experience in learning all that it takes to be a good defender and staying strong under pressure, which is essential in the NRL. Rather than not caring, most of them just don't seem to understand. They often don't have the same ability to quickly and intuitively read and react to what is unfolding in front of them that the best defenders at other clubs have. They don't seem to understand how to communicate with each other and make quick decisions as a cohesive unit.

These aren't traits unique to the current crop of locally raised Warriors players. I also go back to the fact that we've had an endless succession of rookie coaches coaching at our club. All of this, to me is a more plausible explanation for why we continually struggle with the same weaknesses year after year than believing it has to do with some mystical "bro culture".

 

[Wheeled Warrior]

Just throwing this out there, but is it beyond reason to suggest that the journey for a grassroots league player in NZ to the Warriors is a fair bit different than the journey for a grassroots NSW or QLD player to the NRL? There are so many more players over there, to make it to the top would likely involve being in pressure-cooker situations, where you have to dig deep and grind your way through games on a much more regular basis from the younger grades up. On top of that, there are also way more coaches over there, so a lot more young players get exposure to good coaching early.

We dominate rugby because our coaches have often been the ones that have been the most innovative in the game and that knowledge gets fed down to our strong local competitions. It's the same for league in Australia. An Australian RL apprenticeship comes with a good grounding in the game that results in players having a strong resolve and greater intuition when it comes to dealing with what is confronting them.

Is there any definitive proof that Warriors players don't have pride in the club or care about their performances? I think a lot of the problem is simply that the locally developed players haven't had the same ingrained experience in learning all that it takes to be a good defender and staying strong under pressure, which is essential in the NRL. Rather than not caring, most of them just don't seem to understand. They often don't have the same ability to quickly and intuitively read and react to what is unfolding in front of them that the best defenders at other clubs have. They don't seem to understand how to communicate with each other and make quick decisions as a cohesive unit.

These aren't traits unique to the current crop of locally raised Warriors players. I also go back to the fact that we've had an endless succession of rookie coaches coaching at our club. All of this, to me is a more plausible explanation for why we continually struggle with the same weaknesses year after year than believing it has to do with some mystical "bro culture".

100% Spot on mate.

We just don't have the quality systems and coaching in place from the get go.

Our boys are little behind and usually need 2-3 years longer to bring their best to the table. Kata with more defensive and reading of the game experience for a bit longer he will turn into gold. I think a few ppl not just Cappy has mentioned Kata is a special player. Once he settles down and matures the benefits will start to come

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Our boys are little behind and usually need 2-3 years longer to bring their best to the table. Kata with more defensive and reading of the game experience for a bit longer he will turn into gold. I think a few ppl not just Cappy has mentioned Kata is a special player. Once he settles down and matures the benefits will start to come

True that. Defence is easily fixed with experience and I too think that in time he will strengthen this part of his game. Technique, mental, communication and anticipation are just some things he needs to sort. However the same can be said for Hurrell and I think this is why Hurrell is not a regular starter.

Id rather see Hurrell given the opportunity to patch up his d game then Kata. With Hurrell he might not be as agile as the metamorphic Kata, there may also be the other aspects of defense that he's not too good at too BUT simply put, Hurrell is more of a handful for opposition defenders to deal with. Hurrell is the modern day Mal Meninga.

 

[Skinner]

Spot on, as ever, A4E. It's that critical mass of players, coaches, clubs etc that enables the young Aussie players to get the best possible grounding in the game. All of the league organizations in New Zealand do their very best, with the (scant) resources that they have, and, if I'm being really honest, they punch well above their weight. Thus, the high demand for young kiwi players this side of the ditch. They do have to be young though (14-15) so they are still able to have the bad habits coached out of them.

 

[Auckland4ever]

All of the league organizations in New Zealand do their very best, with the (scant) resources that they have, and, if I'm being really honest, they punch well above their weight.

Yeah - we wouldn't have the Warriors at all if it wasn't for the hard work (usually done for free) of so many people over a number of decades. Plenty of RL people to be grateful to and plenty of things to be grateful for.

 

[mikeob]

Just throwing this out there, but is it beyond reason to suggest that the journey for a grassroots league player in NZ to the Warriors is a fair bit different than the journey for a grassroots NSW or QLD player to the NRL? There are so many more players over there, to make it to the top would likely involve being in pressure-cooker situations, where you have to dig deep and grind your way through games on a much more regular basis from the younger grades up. On top of that, there are also way more coaches over there, so a lot more young players get exposure to good coaching early.

We dominate rugby because our coaches have often been the ones that have been the most innovative in the game and that knowledge gets fed down to our strong local competitions. It's the same for league in Australia. An Australian RL apprenticeship comes with a good grounding in the game that results in players having a strong resolve and greater intuition when it comes to dealing with what is confronting them.

Is there any definitive proof that Warriors players don't have pride in the club or care about their performances? I think a lot of the problem is simply that the locally developed players haven't had the same ingrained experience in learning all that it takes to be a good defender and staying strong under pressure, which is essential in the NRL. Rather than not caring, most of them just don't seem to understand. They often don't have the same ability to quickly and intuitively read and react to what is unfolding in front of them that the best defenders at other clubs have. They don't seem to understand how to communicate with each other and make quick decisions as a cohesive unit.

These aren't traits unique to the current crop of locally raised Warriors players. I also go back to the fact that we've had an endless succession of rookie coaches coaching at our club. All of this, to me is a more plausible explanation for why we continually struggle with the same weaknesses year after year than believing it has to do with some mystical "bro culture".

I have been saying similar since Ian Robson stated in 93 that we're going to emulate the Bronco's and win the competition in five years. My response was that it would take at least 10 to 15 years because the step up from the Auckland competition was much greater than the step up from the Brisbane competition. And nothing has been done to close that gap. The Auckland RL and the NZRL and the Warriors should have had a plan in place before the first game in 95.

 

[Meth]

Manu to NSW cup along with Robinson and Kata on round 1 performance.

who?

 

[Meth]

How long would you give Cappy, based on a less than 50% win ratio which is where he's operating? (no malice in the question, I'm genuinely interested)

If we're still making the same dumb defensive errors, dropping pill, showing no sign of improvement, I'd have him gone before round 10 against the Panthers in Chch if we aren't at least 4 wins.

And hell, that's a challenge. Apart from the Knights in round 4 at home (may as well be fired if we lose that one) we have the Storm twice, Broncos away, Roosters away, Manly our bogey team, the Dogs in Wellington and the Dragons another bogey side. Where's four wins in there? We'll need to buck our act up. If we're still shit, he goes. Next guy gets reigns for Panthers Raiders in NZ ahead of a bye and another week to get bedded in. Makes sense to me.

As I said, maybe in this thread, we cannot sacrifice this year to blind faith in an incompetent coach due to the hiring and firing of a previous dunce CEO.

Sorry, I missed this.

Honestly, I don't know what the way out here is. I just don't think we are going to get a good coach if we keep sacking coaches prematurely (with relation to their contracts) when the chips are down. And we really need a good coach- I am 75% convinced that coaching/culture at the club is the sole reason we aren't in the top echelon on the competition. Part of me agrees with your sentiment of 'we cannot sacrifice this year to blind faith in an incompetent coach due to the hiring and firing of a previous dunce CEO'...but another part of me is kinda resigned to being in the position of needing to do the best with who we have as a coach because right now the only job that offers less security than the Warriors' coaching job is Prime Minister of Australia.

 

[JJ]

Sorry, I missed this.

Honestly, I don't know what the way out here is. I just don't think we are going to get a good coach if we keep sacking coaches prematurely (with relation to their contracts) when the chips are down. And we really need a good coach- I am 75% convinced that coaching/culture at the club is the sole reason we aren't in the top echelon on the competition. Part of me agrees with your sentiment of 'we cannot sacrifice this year to blind faith in an incompetent coach due to the hiring and firing of a previous dunce CEO'...but another part of me is kinda resigned to being in the position of needing to do the best with who we have as a coach because right now the only job that offers less security than the Warriors' coaching job is Prime Minister of Australia.

Agree, but I remain astonished that they signed Elliott, and then worse extended McFadden's contract - what's going on on the field must reflect what's done off it - those performances and his mutterings to the media suggest he doesn't have a clue

 

[Mr Angry]

Dead man walking, replacement is the only question.

Maybe someone for the Pitcairn Islands.

 

[Meth]

Agree, but I remain astonished that they signed Elliott, and then worse extended McFadden's contract - what's going on on the field must reflect what's done off it - those performances and his mutterings to the media suggest he doesn't have a clue

And remember when the signed Elliott...he asked for 1 year, they gave him 2...and then sacked him inside of 2...or something like that.

 

[Rich102]

Despite the outward assurances of confidence in the cap man I bet there is a list of potential replacements, with their phone numbers, in Doyle's top drawer.
We won't hear about a replacement till the new man, or woman, is signed. Which is the way it should be.
Of the obvious candidates Toovey stands out for me.

 

[ozbash]

or woman