Who replaces Cappy?

[Rich102]

Good to know one of our teams can win a game.

 

[Matua]

I dont buy the "Warriors=coach killers" line. Look at the history:

Monie: NRL proven coach, did OK in first season, came undone during Super League.
Endacott: No top level record, went on to do OK in England
Graham: No previous top level experience, went nowhere
Anderson: Had initial success, things turned sour, went to Parra and pretty much repeated the pattern
Kemp: promoted assistant who did bugger-all and went nowhere
Cleary: Promoted from lower grades and established himself as an NRL coach.
McLennan: Had good ESL record that was in hindsight better than it looked because he had a team of superstars that coached itself. Failed abysmally.
Elliot: Established mediocre NRL coach who got mediocre results
McFadden: unproven promoted assistant coach who initially got made to look good by the standard Warriors mid-season surge but who looks to have nothing.

Out of that mob who have the Warriors actually "killed"? Monie maybe, and on paper McLennan but it's pretty obvious he was a fraud. Anderson looked that way but given his record at Parra its pretty clear he's a flawed talent (good coach, crap man-manager). Cleary did well but got the shrift due to a collossal management f**k up. The rest are/were numpties.

How on earth is McLennan any more of a fraud than the two blokes who followed him?

All Cappy has differently is a background in NRL assistant coaching, is Australian, and a CEO who's happy to fluff him on the radio. The results are the same ....

 

[Blair]

How on earth is McLennan any more of a fraud than the two blokes who followed him?

All Cappy has differently is a background in NRL assistant coaching, is Australian, and a CEO who's happy to fluff him on the radio. The results are the same ....

I'm having trouble trying to remember the trigger (if there was one) for Bluey's collapse in results? We all remember Cappy's. In 2012 we were right in the comp until a sudden spate of losses.

 

[ozbash]

Good to know one of our teams can win a game.

That's the hoodoo over.i expect nothing but vicory now..from all of the teams.

 

[Mr Angry]

Laurie Daley has opened up on his role as mentor and sounding board to struggling Warriors coach Andrew McFadden.
McFadden has been using Daley as an outside perspective and while the Warriors have struggled to meet expectations so far this season, the NSW mentor is backing the under siege coach to lift his team out of the dark.

“I speak to him — text him — that type of stuff,” Daley told Private Ryan.
“In terms of footy that his domain — if there’s something he wants to know just to bounce off me.

“It’s not a heavy relationship just through being friends — help if he needs it — he doesn’t need help at the moment he just needs support.
“Just outside the environment I can give a view from what it looks like from the outside.
“I’m confident they’ll have a good season and he’ll do a good job. They just got to give him time.”
Daley and McFadden are long time friends, having played together at Canberra in the 90s.
Daley said the former halves duo have maintained their friendship post-playing career and while Daley has not spoken to McFadden recently, he said the coach needs to stick to his guns and believe in the plan he’s in place.
“It’s a matter of him being calm and not changing his plans too much, backing yourself and backing the team — being positive,” Daley said.
“You’ll make some minor changes as you go through the season. You’ve got a plan in place and you can’t afford to deviate from the plan. He knows how to get there. He’s just got to get it done.
“We’ll know more in six weeks’ time. After six weeks you can see if they are a different footy side.”

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[ozenzud]

It was pretty clear that Bluey lost the dressing room and that was the end.

McFadden probably has to stay as noone is going to be able to start mid season and turn things around. This comp aint that easy.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'm having trouble trying to remember the trigger (if there was one) for Bluey's collapse in results? We all remember Cappy's. In 2012 we were right in the comp until a sudden spate of losses.

I was going to poopoo this until I looked back and we were in the eight in round 18. We were also in the eight at round 10 so it's not like we started horrendously. We then lost 8 straight to end the season, lost the first three games of 2013 then won in round four (this year it is the horrendous Knights) then didn't jag another win until round eight.

Sounds vaguely familiar/likely...

Maybe it's the players and their complete lack of professionalism and ability to better themselves.

 

[JJ]

IMaybe it's the players and their complete lack of professionalism and ability to better themselves.

That's clearly part of the picture - although there are clearly some good professionals in there - Mannering, Lillyman, Luck, Hoffman etc in both lots...

The culture is obviously not right - while as above this competition isn't easy, I'd argue it should be easy enough to make the top 8 more often than not...

I have no idea on Doyle, seems he has a lot of fans - but the place needs a significant change, the Hart/Cleary combination worked ok, something along those lines might help, but the leadership at each level needs to do better

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Might be going against the trend here but Hoffman hasn't really impressed me at all in his time with us. I don't doubt that he's a good player, just haven't seen much to be impressed by from him

 

[vvvrulz]

I'm having trouble trying to remember the trigger (if there was one) for Bluey's collapse in results? We all remember Cappy's. In 2012 we were right in the comp until a sudden spate of losses.

Bluey apparently had this bright idea that defense didn't matter, and the boys just had to go and 'express themselves'.

Well they sure did.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

How on earth is McLennan any more of a fraud than the two blokes who followed him?

All Cappy has differently is a background in NRL assistant coaching, is Australian, and a CEO who's happy to fluff him on the radio. The results are the same ....

Did I say Cappy and Elliott were any better? The difference was neither were hailed as messiahs- Elliott delivered pretty much what most would've predicted, and Cappy was always a gamble as an untested rookie. Bluey on the other hand was talked up as the guy who was gonna take us to the top.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I'm having trouble trying to remember the trigger (if there was one) for Bluey's collapse in results? We all remember Cappy's. In 2012 we were right in the comp until a sudden spate of losses.

It was the string of games where we blew 18 point leads. Before then we were going ok- we lost those 3 and the teams confidence was shot, and he didn't seem to have a clue how to turn it around. He's a rep coach who can get players up for a one off game or series, not a campaigner.

 

[TheDMC]

Forget about our losing streak - when was the last time we beat a top team? Probably early last season.

 

[Evil_Mush]

Melbourne just before the losing streak. So hopefully they are the bookend win this side of the streak also...

However our other 2015 wins were Canberra, Parra, Newcastle, Wests, Cronulla, Gold Coast - Cronulla being the only one of those to make top 8 in 2015, so yeah only two "top team" wins last year.

 

[Blair]

...However our other 2015 wins were Canberra, Parra, Newcastle, Wests, Cronulla, Gold Coast - Cronulla being the only one of those to make top 8 in 2015, so yeah only two "top team" wins last year.

And two of those were last-gasp hair-raisers, Parra and 'Nulla.

 

[JJ]

Yeah, it amazes me that people harp on about us being top 4 when Johnson was hurt - we were never compelling in that regard, and were going to falter regardless of him getting hurt - that just made it rather spectacular

 

[jaseg]

Yeah, it amazes me that people harp on about us being top 4 when Johnson was hurt - we were never compelling in that regard, and were going to falter regardless of him getting hurt - that just made it rather spectacular

Yep, we were never value for the top 4 - I think most people here agreed on that when we finished that round.

People (largely driven by media outlets whose standards are, to be frank, piss poor) look for the easiest/laziest narrative, and the Johnson injury was the simplest way to frame the collapse. We would not have dropped as far without the injury, but we always looked likely to drop... at least out of the top 4.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

What it did was exposed the lack of professionalism and desire in our squad. Obviously Johnson isn't going to stop us leaking 36 points to the Drags, or 50 v the Tigers etc on his own. But when he went down, you almost visibly saw 16 (give or take) guys give up. Well we can't score points now, so really is it worth trying? And with half their arse, they got belted week in, week out. If he'd not been injured, we might have competed for the 8 and missed out, most likely.

You could see it after the Sharks loss at home. We actually competed hard in that game and I wasn't at all disheartened that we couldn't get over the line. But they thought oh shit, what a waste of effort. Then they got belted from pillar to post.

It's happening this year too. They know their coach isn't the sharpest, and the media/fans think so as well, so they're not competing or at least they didn't in the Drags trial and round one. There's no culture of hardness and accountability/pride in our side, which to me left when Micheal Luck did.

 

[ozbash]

But when he went down, you almost visibly saw 16 (give or take) guys give up. Well we can't score points now, so really is it worth trying? And with half their arse, they got belted week in, week out.

In the good ol days, the team as a whole lifted when something like that happened.

maybe its the further evolution of professionalism.. ?

 

[Rich102]

Question?
During the Broncos game there was a tv shot of our coach's box.
Did I see Kevin Campion in there?