Why are the Roosters Tall Poppies ?

[Anonymous]

The only part of my post that was based on conjecture was in relation to your fair weather fans. I NEVER said I agreed with this point of view, a question was asked and based on what I've heard and read, offered an opinion.

As for the rest of the post,
Roosters cheating the cap last year = FACT
Roosters trying to buy a comp year after year = FACT
Roosters attrocious history of junior development = FACT

The only fiction here is any argument you put up to refute any of the above. Like I said, you may be trying to improve your clubs image on some of the above points but it's gonna take a little more effort over a lot more time to erase memories.

As for the Saints quote, I must admit I was surprised to catch such a big fish fish as yourself, I was hoping to get a bite from one of the smaller fry out there

Oh please...talk about sour grapes.

As far as the so-called "blow-ins"/"fair weather fans" can you name me one team that doesn't have this effect when they go from obscurity to success. Maybe it's just because some people don't have the passion of others and only really have a reason to show their colours when their teams on a high. Here's a really good example for ya - go and find out the crowd figures for the Panthers last couple of home games last year and do the same for this year.
I don't berate the fair weather fans, but I do have contempt for those that get on their soap boxes and condemn these people. I see more Bunnies bumper stickers than all other teams combined and they have the worst crowd figures of all. I don't see you blasting their supporter base. Auckland Warriors couldn't draw enough of a crowd to fill a reserve grade team, but once they gained some success, the crowds boosted. It's a fact of life - nobody likes to see their team lose, and you will always get bigger home crowds when your team is winning. I'd be more concerned if the Roosters were winning and still only pulling 5000-6000 at home games.

Holy Jeebus, people. We get harassed for having a crap supporter base and we get harassed when we start pulling big crowds. We get harassed for signing experienced players and we get harassed for signing promising juniors. I guess we are the new Manly and to some extent I like it. I figure that if you can draw this much hatred then you must be doing something good.

On to the "buying a comp" subject. I know this has been attacked ad nauseum, and I know my defence is not needed, but here goes anyway. These are not my words, I have merely paraphrased someone from the former Knights forum, but I think it has been put well. Basically, he said that like it or not, today's game is a business, and as such, you'd be mad if you were a CEO of any club and you weren't trying to buy a comp. To win a competition, you need a competitive team. To have a competitive team you need good players. To have good players you have to pay good money. This applies to every club in the competition. Hell, Souths probably bought more players in the past couple of years than any other team...I don't hear anyone bitching about them trying to buy a comp.

I guess this goes for every team except the Dragons. They don't pay their players, do they? They are all playing there for the love of the club (and a couple of tim tams). And aren't we a mean and nasty club? I mean, take Fitzgibbon for example. He loved the Dragons and played there for free (yes I know it was Illawarra - same thing), but we snuck in during the middle of the night and snatch him while he was sleeping, and now he's playing at our club, completely against his own will, and we lock him up at night so he can't get away.

I'd love it if we bought Barrett next year and went on to win with him in 2005. Just the thought of your pitiful crying in your beer would be enough to put a smile on my face.

Go the Mighty Roosters - Season 2004, here we come!

Now THATS !!! one hell of a reply MJ 5150 he he :lol: :lol:

just love the passion

 

[Catatonic_Omnivore]

Bravo MJ5150! I just could get myself to reply on the subject. It's been covered to death.

It seems however, posters like taxidriver has this thing about the Roosters and their players. Same guy that accused Morley of being a coward & thug. He did back down on the coward bit but maintained that our Mozz is a thug who thrives on consistently hitting his opponents with high & cheap shots.

 

[taxidriver]

Hey, if you don't like the feedback don't ask the question ! :shock:

Yes you do get hammered for buying experienced players and promising youngsters. How does your club manage to do it season after season ? Is your cap in GBP ? Maybe they should try developing a few of their own !

As for Barrett, I'm sure XXXX (name not mentioned because sensitive Rooster fans have already been partially responsible for shutting one forum down) has already been in his ear offering him a new car with a boot load of cash. If he wants to go then he isn't the type I want as saints anyway, no tears in my beer pal.

 

[taxidriver]

f**k you boys are a sensitive bunch, I can see why the boys did the shampoo ads ;-)

A question was asked in a post, I gave my perspective on it. You obviously disagree but if you aren't interested in non rooster fans perspective, don't read the freakin' post or ask the freakin' question !

 

[Catatonic_Omnivore]

Yes you do get hammered for buying experienced players and promising youngsters. How does your club manage to do it season after season ? Is your cap in GBP ?

How do they do it? Maybe you should go and find out instead of taking the easy route of accusing them or Rorting the cap.

Maybe they should try developing a few of their own !

You have got to be thick as... this has been covered to death. So much that some posters have changed their views in relation to this subject. But it would appear that you are of a chosen few that persists.

 

[mj5150]

Hey, if you don't like the feedback don't ask the question ! :shock:

Yes you do get hammered for buying experienced players and promising youngsters. How does your club manage to do it season after season ? Is your cap in GBP ? Maybe they should try developing a few of their own !

Are you still here? Don't you have a forum of your own? :lol:

I'm getting sick of having to do this. Maybe I'll post this on a web site so I can just give everyone the URL in future, but here goes. This is in regards to your accusation of our junior development and our buying players from other clubs:-

Anthony Minichello
Luke Ricketson
Michael Crocker
Skinny Byrne
Andrew Lomu
David Shillington
Lelea Paea
Chris Flannery
Henari Veratau

All of the abovementioned players are either local juniors or have signed as promising juniors with the Roosters for their first NRL contract.

How do we manage to do it more successfully than most? It's called active recruitment, and a very good implementation of it. The ability to spot potential and develop it. Instead of attacking our strong points, perhaps you should be looking a little closer to home and analyzing your teams weak points.

 

[taxidriver]

We are a little off the track from the original thread but seeing you took it here, enjoy the train wreck.

LOL, you poor misguided fool.

Rooster junior devlopment now equates to signing promising youngsters. LOL

Let's hear you chant it (it's what you've become) "Go Manly" !

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, if you don't like the feedback don't ask the question ! :shock:

Yes you do get hammered for buying experienced players and promising youngsters. How does your club manage to do it season after season ? Is your cap in GBP ? Maybe they should try developing a few of their own !

Are you still here? Don't you have a forum of your own? :lol:

I'm getting sick of having to do this. Maybe I'll post this on a web site so I can just give everyone the URL in future, but here goes. This is in regards to your accusation of our junior development and our buying players from other clubs:-

Anthony Minichello
Luke Ricketson
Michael Crocker
Skinny Byrne
Andrew Lomu
David Shillington
Lelea Paea
Chris Flannery
Henari Veratau

All of the abovementioned players are either local juniors or have signed as promising juniors with the Roosters for their first NRL contract.

How do we manage to do it more successfully than most? It's called active recruitment, and a very good implementation of it. The ability to spot potential and develop it. Instead of attacking our strong points, perhaps you should be looking a little closer to home and analyzing your teams weak points.

Gwaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn get up im MJ !!!!!!! :lol: Your doin a great job and we oldies are enjoyin sittin back and readinig some of your brilliant replies No wonder you a chook supporter ! youre obviously edyacated :lol: :lol:

 

[Catatonic_Omnivore]

Rooster junior devlopment now equates to signing promising youngsters. LOL

Unless you have been living under a rock over the past decade. That is our Junior development program. We are not blessed with the same demographics as that of Penrith so we recruit. It must be working seeing that there are a handful of Roosters in the test team who were unknowns 3 years ago.

Poaching talent? Buying the comp? I think you should look at your own backyard. Talk about mass poaching. You guys didn't just buy one or two players. You guys bought the Illawarra region and still have nothing to show for. And if that's not enough, you guys pillage the Sharks juniors as well.

 

[taxidriver]

read your mates quote, he's the one who says signing talented youngsters equates to junior development LOL

As for you Walshie, you must be getting old as the senility appears to have kicked in. You're the one who asked a question ! :-k

If it was meant to be rhetoric and you didn't want to solicit responses, you should have written it better. Time for a nap old fella ?

 

[taxidriver]

"Unless you have been living under a rock over the past decade. That is our Junior development program."

Thank you for agreeing, one small correction for you. In no way can buying talented youngsters be construed as junior development. By the time you have signed them up a lot of the hard work has been done. The players you sign have been identified as potential first grade players long before you get your mits on them.

Junior development starts with supporting junior clubs, funding them, nurturing junior leagues and giving them the resources to best work with the kids. You've said it yourself, once the hard work is done along come your boys with the cheque book.

If that's the way your club wants to go, so be it. The question was asked as to why everyone else was so happy to see them fail. I think you've gone a long way to answering Walshies question for him.

 

[mj5150]

We are a little off the track from the original thread but seeing you took it here, enjoy the train wreck.

LOL, you poor misguided fool.

Rooster junior devlopment now equates to signing promising youngsters. LOL

Let's hear you chant it (it's what you've become) "Go Manly" !

Show me where in my post I said that junior development = signing young players. Do you own a dictionary? It's a simple word, but maybe you should just check the meaning of the word "either."

I'll be the first to admit that not a great deal of our players come up through the juniors, but you're sweeping statement that we have no junior development program is utter crap.

As for recruitment, I didn't realise this was a forbidden practice. Basically, if a young hopeful is given an opportunity in the NRL, but it's not a club within walking distance of his junior club, then he shouldn't be allowed to play. It would be more beneficial to the game if that youngster was to miss out on his chance?

Back to your initial complaint (and that of just about everyone else jealous of our great club) about buying a premiership. By your own admission, if a club buys players from another club, then they are obviously buying a comp.

Brett Firman - poached from Cronulla
Trent Barrett - Junior club = Temora (hardly Kogarah)
Damien Bower - poached from Manly
Brent Kite - poached from Raiders
Shane Laloata - Kiwi junior poached from Knights
Darren Peachey - poached from Panthers
Henry Perenara - Kiwi junior poached from Melbourne. Also played for Auckland (bit of a club s**t)
Mark Riddell - poached from Bulldogs/Roosters
Amos Roberts - Junior club = Kempsey
Hassan Saleh - Poached from Wests Tigers. Also played for Bulldogs (another club s**t)
Nathan Tutt - Poached from Roosters (hey, stop taking all our players)
Brett White - Junior club = Cooma (pretty much Canberra territory)
John Wilshere - born PNG. Poached from Panthers. Also played for Melbourne and Perth Reds (big club s**t)
Nathan Blacklock - Tingha junior. Poached from ... wait for it ... Sydney Roosters

That list is not complete (I didn't even bother to count all the players bought with the merger) but it's a good indication of the recruitment program of the Dragons.

I don't know why I bother, though. Nothing will shut you fanatics up.

 

[Anonymous]

Gezuz MJ Who the flying frypan are you ??

I know !! youre Phil Gould arent you ?

Were you another poster on the Wall ? PM me !!

Mate !! you are HOT ~~~~~~~~~ I think youve got im on the run :lol: :lol: I think youve got im backpedlin !!

Glad im not in a stink with you !! too god pal too good :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Rooster junior devlopment now equates to signing promising youngsters. LOL

Unless you have been living under a rock over the past decade. That is our Junior development program. We are not blessed with the same demographics as that of Penrith so we recruit. It must be working seeing that there are a handful of Roosters in the test team who were unknowns 3 years ago.

Poaching talent? Buying the comp? I think you should look at your own backyard. Talk about mass poaching. You guys didn't just buy one or two players. You guys bought the Illawarra region and still have nothing to show for. And if that's not enough, you guys pillage the Sharks juniors as well.

And you !! your just as good as MJ !!!!!

Where are you from ? have you been on the wall as someone else ?

Boy your both on FIRE !!!!!!!!!!! and correct as well Sheeeesh !!!

I must admit but ! he aint too bad either ay ?? :lol: :lol:

Nothing beter than a massdebate ay :lol: :lol:

 

[salivor]

Walshie do you ever reply to the points put to you or do you just prefer to ride on other coat tails?

 

[Anonymous]

Walshie do you ever reply to the points put to you or do you just prefer to ride on other coat tails?

Sali ! MJ Is doing a better job than I could ever hope to do on that !! :lol: :lol:

The question really still hasnt been answered however, Why are the Roosters Tall Poppies? I think its got more to do with our Australian culture than anything else really, I dont think it has much to do with football at all.

In the States for example, If you arrive home with a new Merc and park it in the driveway, The American neighbour will nearly always say !!

Wow !! looki here !! Wow I want one of those ! Im gunna go out and get me one of those cars !! I want to do as good or better than you, in other words !

The Australian neighbour will nearly always say !! Ahhhh Siht ~!! look at that lucky bastrad now !~! where did he get the money for that !! I bet he sells drugs or something !! He didnt earn it !! In oher words I cant have it! so why should he have it ?

Its the Australian way, and I think being on a winning team after being on a loosing team for 27 years for supporters was a big shock . In defence of a supposed arrogant or cocky attitudes etc, for a Roosters supporter aged 27 or less the Roosters had been loosers for their entire lives until last year, as is a similar case now with the Dragons. ( Dragons 23 or so years since winning a GF ?)

Most of us didnt expect the Old Ausie Kick in the arse coz your winning attitude !! I think that an arrogant attitude did prevail only because we were not used to winning and when we did or now that our team is doing really well, we dont know how to handle it maybe ? I think its that simple or is it ??

Walshie.....

 

[Catatonic_Omnivore]

In the States for example, If you arrive home with a new Merc and park it in the driveway, The American neighbour will nearly always say !!

Wow !! looki here !! Wow I want one of those ! Im gunna go out and get me one of those cars !! I want to do better than you in other words !

The Australian neighbour will nearly always say !! Ahhhh Siht ~!! look at that lucky bastrad now !~! where did he get the money for that !! I bet he sells drugs or something !! He didnt earn it !! In oher words I cant have it! so why should he have it ?

So true to some out there. I think it is an image thing. Like I said before, supporters relate to the Roosters as being affluent because they are based in the Eastern Suburbs. But I would guess that most of its support base is outside of Metropolitan Sydney.

Add to this that the Roosters rely on junior recruitment, this is seen as buying the comp. Why? because the Roosters are in the Eastern Suburbs, therefore they must be rich. The Roosters probably spend less on recruitment as opposed to lower placed teams.

The Roosters are light years ahead when it comes to marketing. They are blessed to have blokes like Ricko, Wing & Freddy. Which all are very marketable looks & attitude wise. Because of this the Roosters are also "pretty boys".

I don't think it will change much. You will allways get people like "taxidriver" who has problems with the Roosters. But based on some of the posts I've read there are some out there that see past the "silver spoon" tag.

That's my take on it anyway.

 

[taxidriver]

Typical of your whole attitude. You ask a question, you don't like the answer so you turn it into a debate about other peoples teams or summarily dismiss it.

As for your list of Dragons players, your stupidity is more evident than ever. Most of the players on that list were shown the door by their respective clubs and NOT ONE player (with the exception of maybe Saleh and Perenera who had the spent most of the season before in the reggies) had regular first grade experience. Your comments on Barrett were the icing on the cake.

Let's look at your side shall we. Of the 17 who played the GF how many played FG at other clubs ? At least 7 or 8.

Cry all you want fellas. The hatred of your club and the delight of the majority of the league community at your demise has NOTHING to do with tall poppy syndrome. It has EVERYTHING to do with the arrogance that permeates around your club (based on ONE GF win for Gods sake !). Politis crapping on about a three peat and a dynasty before you had even won your second, your coach crying like a shiela about refs or opposition tactics every time you lose and your supporters acting like the biggest assholes the game has seen. I can't help but thinking that the arrogance has come about as a defensive mechanism over doubts about the legitimacy of last years GF win, it will forever be tainted by the Dogs saga. Your club had the chance to put it right this year and failed miserably, how do the majority of you react ? Like spoiled little shits who refuse to acknowledge the facts, your club ISN'T the best and you won sweet F.A.

Penrith are the premiers, why is no one tearing them down ? Look at the success of the Broncs (12 straight years in the semis ?) why are you more hated than them ? Tall poppy syndrome my ass. You guys are hated because of the unfounded arrogance and superiority complex that you seem to thrive on. You made your own bed, sleep on it.

That's the truth, you wont like it and are sure to attack it but unfortunately for you it wont change it.

 

[taxidriver]

"You will allways get people like "taxidriver" who has problems with the Roosters."

Don't flatter yourself, not that it's any of your business but there are actually teams that I dislike a hell of a lot more than your mob. Do I believe your club cooks the books ? yes I do, I could well be wrong but I'm entitled to my opinion. Just because I don't believe your club is the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I have a problem with your club.

All I've done is answer a question raised by one of your own. You guys keep trying to turn it personal and I'm going to respond. When you keep coming back at me with obvoius and blatant BS, I'm not going to ignore it.

 

[Anonymous]

"You will allways get people like "taxidriver" who has problems with the Roosters."

Don't flatter yourself, not that it's any of your business but there are actually teams that I dislike a hell of a lot more than your mob. Do I believe your club cooks the books ? yes I do, I could well be wrong but I'm entitled to my opinion. Just because I don't believe your club is the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I have a problem with your club.

All I've done is answer a question raised by one of your own. You guys keep trying to turn it personal and I'm going to respond. When you keep coming back at me with obvoius and blatant BS, I'm not going to ignore it.

Yep !! thats it isnt it ? its 25 years since the Dragons won anything and your frustrated arent you !

You are a poor tormented and frustrated Dragon person and its killing the bejeezuz out of you isnt it :lol: :lol: and you wanna take it out on us ay !!

Never mind we all hate the Dragons too!! youll get your turn sometime this century :lol: :lol: there is still 97 years to go :lol: :lol: