Ye Shewen

[IanG]

I can see Billy Birmingham getting quite some mileage out her name...

Like he did with We Doping and Yay Wewon?

 

[Danish]

Of course she'd be drug free right now. I have no doubt that if she was juicing then the scientists back home would have made sure nothing would show up. The drug tests are always one step behind the dopers. I have no issue with her breaking her PB or the world record, but to swim faster than the 2 fastest Americans men? Please.

Imagine a female sprinter suddenly running a faster last lap than her male counterpart in the 3,000m or 1500m? That wouldn't happen, would it?

The PB I concede now is not so bad, largely because the initial media reports about how quickly she improved her PB were false (most, like me, looked at her times from this and last year, when she had actually swum faster in 2010).

But swimming 50m faster than the gold medal winning men? That is absurd, and seems almost a physical impossibility.

Your example with running is spot on. There is not a woman in the world who would get close to the 400m lap time of an elite male runner. Indeed the men who race the 1500m would qualify for the semis or even the final of the women's 400m in how fast they can run one of their 3.75 laps. A female 1500m runner, even the world record holder, could never get near running a lap as fast as or faster than her male counterpart.

Obviously there will need to be more assessment on it, like analysing the final lap of other 200m medley events to see if this has ever occurred before and if so how often, but to me that is a massive red flag

 

[Usain Bolt]

Leisel Jones looks like shes been doping at the pie shop:lol:

 

[Twizzle]

What also should be considered when comparing her to men is that she is still just a kid, 15 years old ffs.

She is not even a mature woman and still hasn't stop growing or developing her full strength.

 

[Karl]

This point is absolute rubbish - have you even read this thread?

She has improved 5 seconds over 4 and a half minutes in a 20 month period ... there would be many 14 year olds who have improved their times to this extent ( or more) over a similar period to 16 years old...

Look at her most recent times then. You need to cycle on and off the drugs and doping is cyclical as well.

 

[BuffaloRules]

doesn't the fact that she can split a 100 metres in the final leg of a relay quicker than Phelps means more to me than the fact that she has improved so much

Isnt it 50 metres?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Look at her most recent times then. You need to cycle on and off the drugs and doping is cyclical as well.

Do you have her times over the last 12 months?

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Apparently the chef at her local restaurant got confused and substituted the MSG with HGH.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Apparently the chef at her local restaurant got confused and substituted the MSG with HGH.

I hope the drug testers are all over the Rabbits this year....

40 years of failure, then all of a sudden some ( moderate) success....

Very suspicious...

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

If its the same testers that are looking after Ye Shewen then all should be fine.

 

[BuffaloRules]

If its the same testers that are looking after Ye Shewen then all should be fine.

I think the Chinese swim team are writing their own "Book of Feuds" as we speak....

 

[BuffaloRules]

Seems that Stephanie Rice had an even bigger improvement in her best time in 2008...

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/swim...-question-chinese-success-20120731-23b6j.html

We're all best served by a step back at this point. Tarring Ye with the doping brush by association isn't even close to fair. If this was an Australian athlete, we'd be mortified by the mere suggestion and celebrating the athletic vigour of our bronzed youth. It wasn't an insinuation Rice had to deal with when she clocked her world record in 2008, which was at the time an absurdly fast result.​

Earlier that year, Rice shaved a startling six seconds off her personal best time to hit 4.31.46 at the Australian trials. American Katie Hoff reclaimed the mark a few months late before Rice countered at the Beijing Games, reducing it to below 4.30 for the first time. In contrast, people seized on the fact Ye reduced her PB by five seconds to claim the new mark of 4.28.43 as genuine grounds for suspicion.​

Interesting point that 4 other swimmers in the Mens final ( not Lochte) beat Shiwen's time over the last 50m...​

The manner in which the races were swum adds another layer. Lochte had the race in hand by the time he turned on the freestyle leg. His other three strokes were good enough to give him a gold-medal lead and there was no clear and present danger ranging up on either side.

Ye had to hit the burners to motor past Beisel. She turned more than a body length behind and had to push with everything she had to catch the American. By the time she did that, it must have been clear a world record was within reach and she drove it home with Black Caviar authority. In any case, four other male swimmers did beat Ye's freestyle split.​

I am a bit cynical that this publicity has come out to try and put Ye off her race tonight,,,​

 

[herbert henry1908]

Aren't they keeping olympic medalists blood on file for 10 years now ?

Lets hope that if anyone is guilty the authorities catch up with them.

 

[Twizzle]

Isnt it 50 metres?

it was the 400IM so each leg is 100 metres

the one she swam last night was the 200IM where each leg is 50M, the final of that is on tonight

 

[butchmcdick]

Seems that Stephanie Rice had an even bigger improvement in her best time in 2008...

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/swim...-question-chinese-success-20120731-23b6j.html

Interesting point that 4 other swimmers in the Mens final ( not Lochte) beat Shiwen's time over the last 50m...​

I am a bit cynical that this publicity has come out to try and put Ye off her race tonight,,,​

If steph rice came from a country that had a strong culture of drug cheats in woman's swimming I am sure peOple would be talking

 

[simmo1]

Innocent until proven guilty. As with Bolt four years ago, the cynics will always be out whenever someone pulls out such extraordinary responses.

I hope the drug testers are all over the Rabbits this year....

40 years of failure, then all of a sudden some ( moderate) success....

Very suspicious...

How about this Uate? Big, strong and fast, but the Knights were doping 15 years ago so he must be suss too...

 

[Tom Shines]

Hang on — that Stephanie Rice IM progression in 2008 is coincides nicely with the start of the FastSuit era of swimming between February 08 and 2010.

 

[herbert henry1908]

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How about this Uate? Big, strong and fast, but the Knights were doping 15 years ago so he must be suss too...

the knights were systematically doping ?

 

[Thomas]

Isnt it 50 metres?

She did the total 100m just slower than Lochte but the final 50 faster.

 

[kmav23]

China has a billion people to choose from... and now they money to spend on the swimmers..

they are going to produce world record swimmers...`

Samples are taken and stored....

what happen to innocent till proven guilty