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Zac Lomax

giboz71

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getsmarty said:
Difference is "Other well credentialed coaches " know what they are doing......McGregor is not capable of changing tactics mid - stream nor has he changed tactics drastically in 5 years...

One Trick Pony.
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Not disputing that.

But again regarding the issue of playing a back on the bench who sees limited minutes.

Lomax and Papenhyzen have both played 4 games and both have similar stats. Lomax actually shades Papenhyzen slightly.

So it’s a bit rich to constantly bag Mary about his use of Lomax when the best coach in the business uses his back reserve pretty much exactly the same way.
 
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giboz71 said:
Not disputing that.

But again regarding the issue of playing a back on the bench who sees limited minutes.

Lomax and Papenhyzen have both played 4 games and both have similar stats. Lomax actually shades Papenhyzen slightly.

So it’s a bit rich to constantly bag Mary about his use of Lomax when the best coach in the business uses his back reserve pretty much exactly the same way.
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Did you read what I wrote in terms of comparison between Lomax and Papenhyzen ?...Compare apples with apples....Lomax Rep player..proved himself in finals football.....Papenhyzen no rep honours...Surely that is not too hard to comprehend ???
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Please don't bother responding...We are going round in circles and lets just leave it at that...

Have a Great Easter and weekend.
 
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There is a difference between lomax and papenhyzen

Lomax has proven to be capable in attack and defence and is the clubs best goal kicker.
Aitken has proven aftert 85 games to be brain dead/a defensive liability and unable to set up his winger.

You need to look at Chambers/Scott at Melbourne and think - does Pap deserve to be there over them .. answer no
Does Lomax deserve to be there over Aitken - Proven absolutely.
 
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giboz71 said:
Not comparing Bellamy to Mary at all.

But there seems to be some angst about having a back like Lomax on the bench. Just saying Bellamy uses the same tactic. Seibold did as well at different times last year with Douehi.

No I don’t agree with how Mary uses his bench and agree Lomax should get more minutes.

Just stating that it’s not unusual to have a back on the bench and other well credentialed coaches use the same tactic.
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Out of interest, why not Aitken on the bench and Lomax at right centre?
 
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RufusRex said:
85 games in and still the most unaware/immature player we have had ... Makes rein look like a smart footy player ...

Mary will cost us Zac like he cost us Robson.
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Exactly what my fear is..........don't believe Aitken would be preferred over Lomax by any other coach in the NRL...............and we gave our clown a two year extension.........Atiken to the bench (I'd also have him covering the back row) Lomax in, goal kicking solved and Norman and Hunt will be salivating over the prospect oh how they can use Lomax!!!!!!!
 
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giboz71 said:
Not disputing that.

But again regarding the issue of playing a back on the bench who sees limited minutes.

Lomax and Papenhyzen have both played 4 games and both have similar stats. Lomax actually shades Papenhyzen slightly.

So it’s a bit rich to constantly bag Mary about his use of Lomax when the best coach in the business uses his back reserve pretty much exactly the same way.
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Yes OK maybe, but there is more to this story.

Which Storm centre are you comparing Aitken with so that we can put this all into context?
 
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Not playing Lomax is becoming increasingly indefensible. It will cost us a victory (and we are lucky that wasn't last weekend). The problems with the current team balance are:

1. Goal kicking is vital. The competition is closer than ever. We have won 2 matches by 1, and 1 by 2. Almost every other game seems to go to golden point. A team simply cannot be a contender without a top line kicker. Lafai is a 60% kicker. Lomax is a genuine 85%er. If the coaching team want to go deep into the finals Lomax needs to be in the team.

2. Lafai is a confidence player, and an average goal kicker. He has been developing a great combination with JP in attack and defence. It is not in the team's best interest to saddle him with a task he is not that good at. The 3/4s have been our weakness the last couple of years. That side is now solid and I don't like the idea of giving Lafai a job he shouldn't have that will hit confidence.

3. Aitken is playing as an edge backrower with 3 on his back. He runs hard at holes. He's strong 1-on-1. But he's not a centre. He dies with the ball rather than positioning his winger (did it again at the cost of a try yesterday), and is always unsure in defence. This is the obvious spot for Lomax. If the coaching team are pleased with what Aitken does and is good at (edge-running and pound-for-pound strength) then play him as a bench backrower who can cover centres.

There is no reason for Lomax on the bench and not playing him. The longer this goes on, the less tactical and more hapless it looks. The leadership looks like it is being weak, treading water and avoiding the inevitable.
 
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getsmarty said:
Did you read what I wrote in terms of comparison between Lomax and Papenhyzen ?...Compare apples with apples....Lomax Rep player..proved himself in finals football.....Papenhyzen no rep honours...Surely that is not too hard to comprehend ???
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Please don't bother responding...We are going round in circles and lets just leave it at that...

Have a Great Easter and weekend.
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Not actually true GS, Papenhuyzen played in Australian Schoolboys team in 2015, same team as Nathan Cleary and Curtis Scott to name a few. However, I agree 100% that Lomax is a far superior prospect, with, as you say, finals experience where he was outstanding. The other point is that Lomax appears to be a more rounded player, with many skills, where as Papenhuyzen hasn't shown anything as yet.
 
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Paddles said:
Not playing Lomax is becoming increasingly indefensible. It will cost us a victory (and we are lucky that wasn't last weekend). The problems with the current team balance are:

1. Goal kicking is vital. The competition is closer than ever. We have won 2 matches by 1, and 1 by 2. Almost every other game seems to go to golden point. A team simply cannot be a contender without a top line kicker. Lafai is a 60% kicker. Lomax is a genuine 85%er. If the coaching team want to go deep into the finals Lomax needs to be in the team.

2. Lafai is a confidence player, and an average goal kicker. He has been developing a great combination with JP in attack and defence. It is not in the team's best interest to saddle him with a task he is not that good at. The 3/4s have been our weakness the last couple of years. That side is now solid and I don't like the idea of giving Lafai a job he shouldn't have that will hit confidence.

3. Aitken is playing as an edge backrower with 3 on his back. He runs hard at holes. He's strong 1-on-1. But he's not a centre. He dies with the ball rather than positioning his winger (did it again at the cost of a try yesterday), and is always unsure in defence. This is the obvious spot for Lomax. If the coaching team are pleased with what Aitken does and is good at (edge-running and pound-for-pound strength) then play him as a bench backrower who can cover centres.

There is no reason for Lomax on the bench and not playing him. The longer this goes on, the less tactical and more hapless it looks. The leadership looks like it is being weak, treading water and avoiding the inevitable.
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Agree 100%, unbelievable Lomax cannot get a run in the starting 13.
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giboz71

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RufusRex said:
There is a difference between lomax and papenhyzen

Lomax has proven to be capable in attack and defence and is the clubs best goal kicker.
Aitken has proven aftert 85 games to be brain dead/a defensive liability and unable to set up his winger.

You need to look at Chambers/Scott at Melbourne and think - does Pap deserve to be there over them .. answer no
Does Lomax deserve to be there over Aitken - Proven absolutely.
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The issue in't about the qualities of Lomax and Papenhyzen.

It about the coaches tactic to have a back reserve on the bench as effectively an emergency interchange in case a back goes down. Lomax and Papenhyzen have similar minutes and are used effectively the same way by both Mary and Bellamy.

Is it a smart tactic? That's debatable, but you can't have a go at Mary for doing it, yet not have a go at Bellamy for effectively doing exactly the same thing. That makes no sense.

End of the day Storm are 5-1 and leading the comp, and we are 4-2 on a 4 game winning streak. Both sides entrenched in the 8 after 6 rounds.

I don't think having a back reserve in the side has hurt either team.
 
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