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Who replaces Cappy?

Skinner

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DA for mine. Apart from towards the end of his tenure, I considered him to be a very smart coach. He recognized, very early, that the young Warriors could actually win games solely on their flair. He let them have their heads with this, and it did get results.
He realised that a very structured game plan was not for them. I was sorry when he went. He was actually a fairly strange individual, but that matters not when you are getting results. The falling out with Stace was the last act of that play.
 

Rich102

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DA for me too.
This time with the CEO fully behind him and no talk of "player power".
 

One Warrior

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DA, Cleary or Toovey. No to Stacey (too soon) and Kearney, and we can't have another first time NRL coach (Morgan & Kidwell). Only problem with DA would be the massive falling out he
had with Stacey.
 

Mr Angry

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Well when I go for interviews, I expect they have read me CV hence the interview, so they would know what I have and have not done.

The Interview

Jim Doyle said:
Welcome Stacey, you know Eric here and this is ZEROMISSTACKLES we are the interview panel for today
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Thanks for considering me gentlemen
Eric Watson said:
We have a lot of time for you Stacey.
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Appreciate that Eric
Jim Doyle said:
Down to business, tells us why you want to Coach the NZ warriors NRL side
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Well I have the Warriors in my blood, love the club and just want success for them and think I can help, seeing as your looking
ZEROMISSTACKLES said:
Have you coached NRL?
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Have you bothered to read my CV?
ZEROMISSTACKLES said:
Well it is my only question, can we just get Wayne Bennett FFS
Eric Watson said:
Sorry about that Stacey
Jim Doyle said:
Yes apologies Stacey
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
After I retired, I thought I would try some coaching, went to local club to see if I was keen on coaching, then tried recruitment
Eric Watson said:
We were happy with that service.
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Then after recruiting some kids, I coached the NYC team to a premiership in my first go
Jim Doyle said:
Yes still have the trophy in the cabinet
ZEROMISSTACKLES said:
Have you coached NRL?
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Umm, like really, Jim, Eric, why is this fool here?
ZEROMISSTACKLES said:
Well I have no more questions, can we just get Ivan Clearly FFS
Eric Watson said:
We have to have three on the panel, and Ivan has been tried.
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Well I have moved to NSW cup, and hope to do well, I have also been coached by some very good coaches and learnt much from them I hope to apply here, no more Bro culture, perform or go
Jim Doyle said:
Thanks for your time Stacey, we will let you know.
Stacey Jones NZ and Warriors Legend said:
Thanks for the opportunity
ZEROMISSTACKLES said:
You smell, and Stephen Kearney is heaps much better
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Eric Watson said:
 
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ZEROMISSTACKLES

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You are dumb as ****!!

Let's see if you get Stacey Jones then. You are probably the only one who want Stacey and you're not even a Warriors fan.
 
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jaseg

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Stacey doesn't seem at all ready. Maybe he never will be, though there seems to be some promise there.

You (Mr Angry) point to the jobs he's had, but there are several guys out there who have had similar jobs for longer and done much, much better (often with less to work with).

DA hasn't coached for a while and his last 3 teams (counting St Helens) have collapsed at (or immediately after) the end of his reign, so probably not. Ivan's ok, will do if there's nobody better - certainly an improvement on what we have (remember; he never had anything close to this roster to work with - in fact he had some of the most average rosters yet still eked out results... his only year with Johnson ended in a grand final appearance). Toovey looks good to me, but a) would he move to NZ, given his closeness with his now adult daughter and other lifestyle factors and b) still a question mark over him RE Manly's collapse, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with last year's injury toll and horrible forward pack. Walker+Walker are probably the wildcard, but there are a couple of other current lower grade coaches that could also be considered contenders.
 
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Mr Angry

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Please forgive me for rating Stacey, smart guy, NZ legend, you guys know so much more than a league novice such as myself.

Please take Flanno he has NRL experience.

I rate Anderson and Clearly as operations types.

I would love to have Stacey, but feel he bleeds NZ so is better suited there.

And apparently you need to be a true Warrior to have an opinion on the matter... but hire Aussies that is all good.

hahahahaha....Watch Young Stacey excel at whatever he does.

Hey get Tooves he is an Aussie after all. Your people are shyte...simple kiwis what was I thinking...
 

jaseg

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There is no correlation between being a good player and a good coach. How many internationals have become high quality coaches? Hasler (I'm not counting Toovey - still a few questions as I alluded to in my last post). Who's after that (chronologically)? Fulton? But yeah sure, Stacey being a NZ legend totally has any bearing on this.... lol. Keep bringing it up, go on.

Going past the experienced guys, I've now also posted twice RE better credentialed candidates in lower grades (guys with longer stints and better results while working with worse rosters), both times you didn't address it. Fact is, Stacey isn't even close to being the best qualified for the position should it become available.

While we're at it... what's with the Flanagan hate? He hasn't done too badly (though he's far from perfect) and they fell apart without him. Admittedly I don't watch all Sharks games as Gallenball depresses me. Reminds me of Newcastle in the EPL & their fans hating Pardew... worked out well for them when he finally left, lol!
 

Mr Angry

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Flanno is shyte...take him really, you guys seem to rate us over your own.

Flanno can recruit and spot players, we will win nothing under him as coach, hence I would take Stacey. (TNF nor has any other) there are guys who can spot good players, guys who can manage a roster and guys who can inspire the best on the field.


Flanno, DA and Ivan are spotters and roster managers. Jones is a game planner and thinking on field.

Hey whateves, kind over this, said my piece, Stacey will excel, in the mean time hire an Aussie like Flanno, Tooves, DA or the forum fav Ivan, I am going to put money on The NSW cup team Stacey runs.
 

Rich102

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Take your points Mr Angry.
Stacey may be great....or?
Anyway glad the decision isn't mine. (Really glad!)
I will leave it to Jim - that's what he is paid for.
At least sitting with the fans at games he will get an idea of what they think. Brave move.
 

Big Marn

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11601730

The Warriors have hit back at accusations of a pervasive "bro culture" at Mt Smart and at Australian media suggestions besieged coach Andrew McFadden has been given an early season deadline to right the club's on-field fortunes or be sacked.
Straight-shooting club boss Jim Doyle dismissed both claims last night and fired back at former Warriors part-owner and ex-elite coach Graham Lowe who leveled the accusations of a poor culture at the club in wake of a particularly disappointing opening round loss to the Wests Tigers.
"Graham's entitled to his opinion," said Doyle of Lowe's withering criticism including the claim "there's a 'bro' culture that is obvious and unacceptable" at the club.
Doyle said it wasn't the first time Lowe had levelled such charges at the club.
"It's very old (criticism) actually. And he's been talking about it for many years," Doyle responded.

"He also talks about how no-one from the club involves him. Well I know that he's had a few conversations with 'Cappy' (McFadden) and I've had a few conversations as well.
"So maybe he feels that we're not listening to him and that's why he's making those comments.

"He can use whichever word he wants to use but from our perspective we feel that we've got the right roster, we think we've got the right balance across the football department. "We need to focus on getting results. Our first game of the season was a loss so he can say nothing's changed. We need to prove that things have changed by performing."
Doyle also took exception to Aussie media speculation on McFadden's immediate future.
"No, we have not even discussed or considered x number of games or anything whatsoever," the club managing director said of ongoing media claims across the Tasman that McFadden is on borrowed time.
"As far as we're concerned Cappy's our coach and we believe in him and we think the team are very capable. And it's actually only round one.
"We think we have a team, a roster and a football staff that are capable of getting success and that doesn't change after one game."
Lowe told Sydney's Daily Telegraph that the "Warriors are going backwards" and said it was a "cop out" to claim the side came back into Saturday's match.
"There wasn't the slightest sign of any improvement...the score totally flattered the Warriors," he said. "There's a hard edge that has been missing for, basically, forever. A ruthless edge. And not just on the field.
"There's a 'bro' culture that is obvious and unacceptable. That culture is in place of that hard edge. It's just soul destroying, there's no change."
The Telegraph listed statistics since the last Warriors victory over Melbourne on July 12, including a "whopping" 86 errors during the nine games since, and that the team was missing an average 32 tackles per game.
Doyle admitted a heavy trial defeat to St George and the loss to Wests Tigers loss hurt early season perceptions of the club.
"The first half was very, very disappointing," he said of the Tigers clash. "You can take a lot of positives out of the second-half and whatever Cappy said at halftime obviously struck home because they were a completely different team.
"The players responded to the coaching staff at halftime so if we can put together an 80 minute performance you'll see a different result.
"The club needs stability and we've got a new roster and we knew that was going to take a little bit of time for combinations to build. We've got to keep building on what we've got."
 

Rich102

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"The players responded to the coaching staff at halftime so if we can put together an 80 minute performance you'll see a different result.


Big if.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Please forgive me for rating Stacey, smart guy, NZ legend, you guys know so much more than a league novice such as myself.

Please take Flanno he has NRL experience.

I rate Anderson and Clearly as operations types.

I would love to have Stacey, but feel he bleeds NZ so is better suited there.

And apparently you need to be a true Warrior to have an opinion on the matter... but hire Aussies that is all good.

hahahahaha....Watch Young Stacey excel at whatever he does.

Hey get Tooves he is an Aussie after all. Your people are shyte...simple kiwis what was I thinking...

Flanno is shyte...take him really, you guys seem to rate us over your own.

Flanno can recruit and spot players, we will win nothing under him as coach, hence I would take Stacey. (TNF nor has any other) there are guys who can spot good players, guys who can manage a roster and guys who can inspire the best on the field.


Flanno, DA and Ivan are spotters and roster managers. Jones is a game planner and thinking on field.

Hey whateves, kind over this, said my piece, Stacey will excel, in the mean time hire an Aussie like Flanno, Tooves, DA or the forum fav Ivan, I am going to put money on The NSW cup team Stacey runs.

OK thank you I will consider your recommendation of Stacey Jones lol.
 

jaseg

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Still haven't addressed my main points mate.

There is no correlation between being a good player and a good coach. How many internationals have become high quality coaches? Hasler (I'm not counting Toovey - still a few questions as I alluded to in my last post). Who's after that (chronologically)? Fulton? But yeah sure, Stacey being a NZ legend totally has any bearing on this.... lol. Keep bringing it up, go on.

Going past the experienced guys, I've now also posted twice RE better credentialed candidates in lower grades (guys with longer stints and better results while working with worse rosters), both times you didn't address it. Fact is, Stacey isn't even close to being the best qualified for the position should it become available.
 

betcats

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11601730

The Warriors have hit back at accusations of a pervasive "bro culture" at Mt Smart and at Australian media suggestions besieged coach Andrew McFadden has been given an early season deadline to right the club's on-field fortunes or be sacked.
Straight-shooting club boss Jim Doyle dismissed both claims last night and fired back at former Warriors part-owner and ex-elite coach Graham Lowe who leveled the accusations of a poor culture at the club in wake of a particularly disappointing opening round loss to the Wests Tigers.
"Graham's entitled to his opinion," said Doyle of Lowe's withering criticism including the claim "there's a 'bro' culture that is obvious and unacceptable" at the club.
Doyle said it wasn't the first time Lowe had levelled such charges at the club.
"It's very old (criticism) actually. And he's been talking about it for many years," Doyle responded.

"He also talks about how no-one from the club involves him. Well I know that he's had a few conversations with 'Cappy' (McFadden) and I've had a few conversations as well.
"So maybe he feels that we're not listening to him and that's why he's making those comments.

"He can use whichever word he wants to use but from our perspective we feel that we've got the right roster, we think we've got the right balance across the football department. "We need to focus on getting results. Our first game of the season was a loss so he can say nothing's changed. We need to prove that things have changed by performing."
Doyle also took exception to Aussie media speculation on McFadden's immediate future.
"No, we have not even discussed or considered x number of games or anything whatsoever," the club managing director said of ongoing media claims across the Tasman that McFadden is on borrowed time.
"As far as we're concerned Cappy's our coach and we believe in him and we think the team are very capable. And it's actually only round one.
"We think we have a team, a roster and a football staff that are capable of getting success and that doesn't change after one game."
Lowe told Sydney's Daily Telegraph that the "Warriors are going backwards" and said it was a "cop out" to claim the side came back into Saturday's match.
"There wasn't the slightest sign of any improvement...the score totally flattered the Warriors," he said. "There's a hard edge that has been missing for, basically, forever. A ruthless edge. And not just on the field.
"There's a 'bro' culture that is obvious and unacceptable. That culture is in place of that hard edge. It's just soul destroying, there's no change."
The Telegraph listed statistics since the last Warriors victory over Melbourne on July 12, including a "whopping" 86 errors during the nine games since, and that the team was missing an average 32 tackles per game.
Doyle admitted a heavy trial defeat to St George and the loss to Wests Tigers loss hurt early season perceptions of the club.
"The first half was very, very disappointing," he said of the Tigers clash. "You can take a lot of positives out of the second-half and whatever Cappy said at halftime obviously struck home because they were a completely different team.
"The players responded to the coaching staff at halftime so if we can put together an 80 minute performance you'll see a different result.
"The club needs stability and we've got a new roster and we knew that was going to take a little bit of time for combinations to build. We've got to keep building on what we've got."

While I agree the whole "bro culture" term seems like a cop out there is a problem there imo its more than just poor coaching and selections.

It seems to be a similar culture that Elliot fostered at Penrith for years where poor performances losses just became the norm and apparently acceptable.
 

betcats

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Mr angry who is Stacey jones to you? IMO quite often great players don't make good coaches because most players don't have the gifts that the greats had and they cant be coached.

The warriors could do worse then looking at garth Brennan at the panthers as well. The last 3 years he has won two premierships and a minor premiership with our nyc and nsw cup teams. I think he won a coach of the year award with Newcastles NYC team as well.
 

Big Marn

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how about someone like John Cartwright?
Been a head coach with titans, and been assistant coach at penrith when they won prem in 2003, and at north cowboys last year, so been in a winning culture. also assistant to Stuart at roosters for a few years. Now assistant at manly.
I remember he had a rotten run of luck at titans with injuries and the such, but eventually resigned and Neil Henry took over and hasn't fared much better.

Could do a lot worse. Would rate him lot higher than Elliott, who had been coaching in NRL about the same amount of time when we signed him up.
 
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