18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

Png flat no? Even though there's is the most far ahead furthest bid that has started to build its acedemic programs.
Nz2 doesnt exist, yet you say yes, now your just adding dots on a map.
Adelaide ditto.
Perth strong chance, with infrastructure, but not a no brainer as there is no quality reserve grade talent there, that and its distance will make it harder to attract marquee or just even average talent.
South Brisbane, or SEQ probably wont anymore bids accepted as they just accepted the dolphins and want to see that prosper, not cut into the market, while in its infancy.
Melbourne 2 could happen if they are willing to invest in that bid, but they won't and it will tank as the crushers did via the storm

All your opinion, which you’re entitled to. As am I.
I want to see the game grow and expand into new areas, not just stick with its 100 year myopia and fear of expanding.
I Look at how basketball has managed to grow around the world in the last 50 years and think, why not us? why can’t rugby league grow like that?

as for perth pathways, won’t happen until a new club is here. That’s the reality. arlc is failing horribly in its mandate to grow grass roots and has massively cut grass roots funding, that leaves it to pokie dens or nrl clubs to make it happen. Perth needs an nrl club in order to take our current 5 nrl players to 15 Or more.

brisbane 2 was always a no brainer and cutting the crushers was the dumbest of dumb decisions. But 2 clubs in brisbane is enough to service a city of 2.4million For now.
we want big clubs in brisbane, not small Sydney style clubs

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[SpaceMonkey]

I Look at how basketball has managed to grow around the world in the last 50 years and think, why not us? why can’t rugby league grow like that?
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I think basketball has some big advantages over League and most other sports-

It requires little space and no grass- hoops can be set up on any sufficiently high wall in Or on a pole an area of hard ground, and after that all you need is a ball. It’s a very accessible sport for poor urban and village populations.
It can be played indoors which also helps with popularity in cold climates
The NBA provides a huge glamour competition for kids to aspire to.
One thing RL does habe going for it our pitch dimensions are practically identical to soccer’s, which means there’s more likelyhood to at least have an appropriate field to play pn than there would be for a sport like AFL in non-cricketing nations.

 

[MugaB]

I think basketball has some big advantages over League and most other sports-

It requires little space and no grass- hoops can be set up on any sufficiently high wall in Or on a pole an area of hard ground, and after that all you need is a ball. It’s a very accessible sport for poor urban and village populations.
It can be played indoors which also helps with popularity in cold climates
The NBA provides a huge glamour competition for kids to aspire to.
One thing RL does habe going for it our pitch dimensions are practically identical to soccer’s, which means there’s more likelyhood to at least have an appropriate field to play pn than there would be for a sport like AFL in non-cricketing nations.

But the drawback of Rugba lieg is that if you want to play professionally or any version that is tackle, you gotta be tough enough to do it, anyone can play basketball, height is an advantage, but anyone can play, NRL your not going to get the everyday folk playing it on weekends on masse, so its harder to grow that talent pool

 

[Perth Red]

But the drawback of Rugba lieg is that if you want to play professionally or any version that is tackle, you gotta be tough enough to do it, anyone can play basketball, height is an advantage, but anyone can play, NRL your not going to get the everyday folk playing it on weekends on masse, so its harder to grow that talent pool

Thats were touch comes in. We have failed miserably to take touch and make it 'rugby league' around the world.

 

[Wb1234]

Here’s a question for the rabid expansionists …

is Perth and Adelaide essential for rugby league to be number one sport

is it possible for rugby league to have a totally different footprint to afl and still be Australia’s biggest sport

 

[Perth Red]

Here’s a question for the rabid expansionists …

is Perth and Adelaide essential for rugby league to be number one sport

is it possible for rugby league to have a totally different footprint to afl and still be Australia’s biggest sport

Yes to first part
no to second

these things are measured in decades. Without a stronger national footprint at both grassroots and top tier level nrl will never overtake afl. You think they’ve spent big on nsw and qlnd now, wait till 2025 when their revenue goes through the roof.


nrl will always be number 1 in nsw and qlnd but to be number 1 footy code in the country requires much stronger growth in areas we are currently very weak.

we have the foundation supporter baseline to do it, we lead in two key metrics of tv audience and social media following numbers. What we don’t lead in is the things that come with the perception of a national sport ie revenue, sponsorships, media covg nationally, govt influence Etc.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes to first part
no to second

these things are measured in decades. Without a stronger national footprint at both grassroots and top tier level nrl will never overtake afl. You think they’ve spent big on nsw and qlnd now, wait till 2025 when their revenue goes through the roof.


nrl will always be number 1 in nsw and qlnd but to be number 1 footy code in the country requires much stronger growth in areas we are currently very weak.

we have the foundation supporter baseline to do it, we lead in two key metrics of tv audience and social media following numbers. What we don’t lead in is the things that come with the perception of a national sport ie revenue, sponsorships, media covg nationally, govt influence Etc.

So we are already number one on some metrics without Perth and Adelaide meanwhile our nearest rival has teams in every state

wonder how that happened

 

[Perth Red]

So we are already number one on some metrics without Perth and Adelaide meanwhile our nearest rival has teams in every state

wonder how that happened

its called population, especially in regional areas lol
And the fact their fans tend to go to games rather than sit at home and watch on tv. We also dont know the metrics of tv audiences. For example NRL has more fans on Pay Tv, maybe that means more fans watch multiple games a weekend. Overall Audience isn't individuals remember.

It goes on two things
1. How strong are you at home
2. How strong are you away

NRL is super strong at home as is AFL
difference is we are very weak away and doing little to change that, whilst they are mid strength away and pushing hard to get stronger.

Tv audience NRL
Social media NRL
International NRL

Active fan base AFL
Club FC revenue AFL
Overall revenue AFL
TV deals AFL
Govt Influence AFL
Presence in Non heartland states AFL
Corporate revenue AFL
Media profile AFL

Participation - anyone's guess!

Get NRL to 20 clubs a bigger national footprint at all levels and a really strong Int scene and we can wipe the floor with them. We have the potential, just need to act on it.

 

[Wb1234]

its called population, especially in regional areas lol
And the fact their fans tend to go to games rather than sit at home and watch on tv.

It goes on two things
1. How strong are you at home
2. How strong are you away

NRL is super strong at home as is AFL
difference is we are very weak away and doing little to change that, whilst they are mid strength away and pushing hard to get stronger.

Tv audience NRL
Social media NRL
International NRL

Active fan base AFL
Club FC revenue AFL
Overall revenue AFL
TV deals AFL
Govt Influence AFL
Presence in Non heartland states AFL
Corporate revenue AFL
Media profile AFL

Get NRL to 20 clubs a bigger national footprint at all levels and a really strong Int scene and we can wipe the floor with them. We have the potential, just need to act on it.

Afl is a pimple on the sporting bum of Sydney

the dolphins are going to help crush the lions and suns.

so where does that leave afl expansion ?

without a super league war for a leg up and rugby league resurgent afl doesn’t stand a chance

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And that was all done without Perth or Adelaide

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Afl blah blah blah

 

[Perth Red]

Afl is a pimple on the sporting bum of Sydney

the dolphins are going to help crush the lions and suns.

so where does that leave afl expansion ?

without a super league war for a leg up and rugby league resurgent afl doesn’t stand a chance

….

And that was all done without Perth or Adelaide

again back in the real world AFL has 2 professional clubs and 70k members in Sydney with 40k or so attending games across the two clubs. Pick up any sydney paper any day and there will be AFL news in it. Turn on the evening news in Sydney and it will have AFL mentioned in the sports section. Is it huge? No. Is it a reasonable presence in NRL heartland? Yes. Compare that to NRL in Perth or Adelaide, even in Melbourne. Not even close.

Dolphins will have no impact on the Lions in reality. Their crowd avg this year was higher than its been since 2010. Dolphins made no difference there!

What was done without perth or adelaide?
Bigger tv deal, nope,
bigger revenue, nope,
bigger sponsorships, nope.
AFL beating us in those areas, thats what happened without perth and adelaide!

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I'd say afl Red is fully erect talking about his favourite sport but I doubt he can get it up anyway.

 

[mongoose]

Here’s a question for the rabid expansionists …

is Perth and Adelaide essential for rugby league to be number one sport

is it possible for rugby league to have a totally different footprint to afl and still be Australia’s biggest sport

I'm all for talking trash about AFL but if you think the NRL is bigger than the AFL nationally you aren't all there....

 

[Wb1234]

I'm all for talking trash about AFL but if you think the NRL is bigger than the AFL nationally you aren't all there....

What is Australia’s most popular sport? – The Roar

Ignoring the warriors and origins too

 

[Wb1234]

again back in the real world AFL has 2 professional clubs and 70k members in Sydney with 40k or so attending games across the two clubs. Pick up any sydney paper any day and there will be AFL news in it. Turn on the evening news in Sydney and it will have AFL mentioned in the sports section. Is it huge? No. Is it a reasonable presence in NRL heartland? Yes. Compare that to NRL in Perth or Adelaide, even in Melbourne. Not even close.

Dolphins will have no impact on the Lions in reality. Their crowd avg this year was higher than its been since 2010. Dolphins made no difference there!

What was done without perth or adelaide?
Bigger tv deal, nope,
bigger revenue, nope,
bigger sponsorships, nope.
AFL beating us in those areas, thats what happened without perth and adelaide!

Swans have between 15 and 20k paying fans

and at best 40k people who watch them on tv regularly

Heck netball has better numbers

 

[Colk]

What is Australia’s most popular sport? – The Roar

Ignoring the warriors and origins too

C’mon mate an article on Roar?

Fumbleball is a racist and deplorable sport and should be removed from the national consciousness. Nevertheless, it is clearly a bigger sport than us though - have a look at the sponsorship and TV deals and the attendances they get.

It’s a boring, repetitive conversation anyway

 

[Perth Red]

Swans have between 15 and 20k paying fans

and at best 40k people who watch them on tv regularly

Heck netball has better numbers

of course they do, the other 15-20k are just street hobos who they give free tickets to every game?
Be honest NRl would kill for a club drawing over 30k avg in melbourne, perth or Adelaide with 62k members, or in Sydney for that matter!

 

[Perth Red]

C’mon mate an article on Roar?

Fumbleball is a racist and deplorable sport and should be removed from the national consciousness. Nevertheless, it is clearly a bigger sport than us though - have a look at the sponsorship and TV deals and the attendances they get.

It’s a boring, repetitive conversation anyway

Again these are the actual facts in terms of the two sports metrics for success:

Tv audience NRL
Social media NRL
International NRL

Active fan base AFL
Club FC revenue AFL
Central revenue AFL
Assets AFL
TV deals AFL
Govt Influence AFL
Presence in Non heartland states AFL
Corporate revenue AFL
Media profile AFL

Participation we dont know as both fudge actual numbers

if NRL wants to take over the AFL in those bottom metrics it needs Perth and Adelaide and some much better leaders.

 

[Wb1234]

C’mon mate an article on Roar?

Fumbleball is a racist and deplorable sport and should be removed from the national consciousness. Nevertheless, it is clearly a bigger sport than us though - have a look at the sponsorship and TV deals and the attendances they get.

It’s a boring, repetitive conversation anyway

Afl gets smashed in the ratings

you can’t be a bigger sport when your nearest rival beats you by 30 percent

 

[Wb1234]

of course they do, the other 15-20k are just street hobos who they give free tickets to every game?
Be honest NRl would kill for a club drawing over 30k avg in melbourne, perth or Adelaide with 62k members, or in Sydney for that matter!

Scg members like I told you last time

if in doubt look at the members and ladies stand

all those old codgers showing up for their free tickets and coffee

membership figures are bs best not to use them as a measure of afls popularort