18th club, whose next?

[Canard]

It is only year 1. Dolphins will grow over time.

There is no trolling from me in regards to Perth, The issue with expansion is finding quality players.

That is the case with expansion full stop, People who like a certain bid are ignoring this issue when it is one ALL expansion teams will face

Of course its an issue, but the theory that PNG will suddenly have NRL players on tap is also completely naïve.

Players will always be drawn to successful well run organizations though, regardless of there location.

Its also why the talk of 20 or 24 teams in the next decade is completely pie in the sky.

 

[Perth Red]

It is only year 1. Dolphins will grow over time.

There is no trolling from me in regards to Perth, The issue with expansion is finding quality players.

That is the case with expansion full stop, People who like a certain bid are ignoring this issue when it is one ALL expansion teams will face

I don’t think anyones ignoring that issue, dolphins very clearly shone a light on it. Question is will nrl do anything g about it or just leave as is and keep fingers crossed?

 

[Perth Red]

50% of those areas have no want nor are able to support teams.

You just need to evolve the 2nd tier comps, bring in teams that either want to be considered for expansion with the NRL reserve grade sides

Disagree, in the australia conference you’d only have Adelaide who wouldnt be interested intially

png already has a comp you’d just improve

pacifica would be the challenging one but if govt spent its money there instead of 1 nrl club it’d be feasible and I’m sure all those areas would be interested.

financial viability is obviously the big issue Where clubs don’t have pokie dens and there’d need to be adequate central funding along with revenu generation opportunities.

an even bigger issue though in the dream is arlc is only interested in nrl and wouldn’t want any other comps taking any interest, support or sponsors/media away from nrl.

 

[Wb1234]

A dumb ARL and an even dumber Superleague.

D

im guessing there is nothing in the rental contract where nrl has promised that sharks will play X amount of home games lol

probably is

 

[Wb1234]

It is only year 1. Dolphins will grow over time.

There is no trolling from me in regards to Perth, The issue with expansion is finding quality players.

That is the case with expansion full stop, People who like a certain bid are ignoring this issue when it is one ALL expansion teams will face

Brisbane easts
Nz2 and 3
Png

will have zero issues with juniors

 

[shewi6]

It is only year 1. Dolphins will grow over time.

There is no trolling from me in regards to Perth, The issue with expansion is finding quality players.

That is the case with expansion full stop, People who like a certain bid are ignoring this issue when it is one ALL expansion teams will face

For me finding more quality players is a problem that sorts itself out when we are adding a new team with all the recruitment and development programs that go with it.

I'm sure people said the same thing about the dolphins coming in, but they provided opportunities for star players that weren't getting game time (eg the hammer) and opened up spots for decent up and coming talent that were stuck in reserve grade.

You can't develop quality nrl players if they have no where to play and an extra team means more opportunities for more players.

 

[Perth Red]

Of course its an issue, but the theory that PNG will suddenly have NRL players on tap is also completely naïve.

Players will always be drawn to successful well run organizations though, regardless of there location.

Its also why the talk of 20 or 24 teams in the next decade is completely pie in the sky.

The incredibly frustrating thing is this is not a new problem! We were talking about this in 2010. The nrl has done sweet fa to address it. I suspect they still have little idea if they actually want a twenty team comp let alone have a strategy for how they’d do it. That work needed to start ten years ago in reality. We are a short term thinking sport.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane easts
Nz2 and 3
Png

will have zero issues with juniors

How many registered jnrs are there in nz?

 

[bad boy bubby]

im guessing there is nothing in the rental contract where nrl has promised that sharks will play X amount of home games lol

At least you're keeping your normal standard, guessing.
Next

 

[Perth Red]

D

probably is

So you’re saying nrl will tell sharks they can’t sell games to other cities or play at other venues if they choose? Yeh that’s likely lol

 

[Perth Red]

At least you're keeping your normal standard, guessing.
Next

You think nrl is dictating to the sharks where they play their games to keep a hotel busier? lol

 

[Iamback]

For me finding more quality players is a problem that sorts itself out when we are adding a new team with all the recruitment and development programs that go with it.

I'm sure people said the same thing about the dolphins coming in, but they provided opportunities for star players that weren't getting game time (eg the hammer) and opened up spots for decent up and coming talent that were stuck in reserve grade.

You can't develop quality nrl players if they have no where to play and an extra team means more opportunities for more players.

That just backs up why Dolphins were an easy fit, They just expanded on their existing pathways and were another Brisbane side to attract Kaufusi and co.

I love that the game is being ambitious, The down side is the areas need a heap of work to stay competitive

 

[Iamback]

Of course its an issue, but the theory that PNG will suddenly have NRL players on tap is also completely naïve.

Players will always be drawn to successful well run organizations though, regardless of there location.

Its also why the talk of 20 or 24 teams in the next decade is completely pie in the sky.

It isn't that they are on tap there. But they are producing Super League standard players now without a decent pathway. Shows the raw skills of the people up there.

Assuming they stay in the game, Those 14 year olds now who were raw and lacking have now got some extra training.

Next year when they comeback they have a higher starting point and will improve further.

And so on. That means at 18 they have had 3-4 years training as someone in NSW/QLD has had.

That is training the current guys aren't getting. Throw in they have to play it in school means the pipeline of players will be there to fill in as guys fall off.

It is why I asked the schools that play in WA, To start a similar program and trying an get a pool of locals closer to NRL standard then currently is

 

[Iamback]

Disagree, in the australia conference you’d only have Adelaide who wouldnt be interested intially

png already has a comp you’d just improve

pacifica would be the challenging one but if govt spent its money there instead of 1 nrl club it’d be feasible and I’m sure all those areas would be interested.

financial viability is obviously the big issue Where clubs don’t have pokie dens and there’d need to be adequate central funding along with revenu generation opportunities.

an even bigger issue though in the dream is arlc is only interested in nrl and wouldn’t want any other comps taking any interest, support or sponsors/media away from nrl.

Funding an NRL club goes further so they won't cut that funding.

NSWRL and QRL want more funding not less

Fiji have dropped back down a level, Covid ruined their plans. They will have a team soon enough.

Adelaide has very little interest in the game.

Population and distance is the issue.

If we were Europe and Fiji and PNG were bigger this would happen by now

 

[Perth Red]

It isn't that they are on tap there. But they are producing Super League standard players now without a decent pathway. Shows the raw skills of the people up there.

Assuming they stay in the game, Those 14 year olds now who were raw and lacking have now got some extra training.

Next year when they comeback they have a higher starting point and will improve further.

And so on. That means at 18 they have had 3-4 years training as someone in NSW/QLD has had.

That is training the current guys aren't getting. Throw in they have to play it in school means the pipeline of players will be there to fill in as guys fall off.

It is why I asked the schools that play in WA, To start a similar program and trying an get a pool of locals closer to NRL standard then currently is

In WA we have two main development systems, neither well funded and therefore without the quality of coaching etc to produce large numbers of talent.

we have a shs scholarship program which features a shs competition With 8 schools in it.


then we have the nrlwa region program that takes the best kids from the nrlwa clubs at various age groups and puts them in 4 region rep systems depending on the club they play for. These rep,teams go from u13’s to u19’s,

These kids then get more and better coaching etc, in theory. We then had the sg ball side for the best of the kids from the region and shs rep teams to progress into. But alas nrl funding cuts has seen that disappear. So if you’re a talented 16 year old you only have three options. Stay in nrlwa and give up on nrl dream. Move over east and join an existing nrl clubs pathway program, not easy for a young kid, or join the western force program and quit rugby league to build a career in union.

there are other peripheral things happening but small scale, ie south perth have a link up with raiders and the best 3 u16’s get to to go to canberra for a few weeks to train, and presumably put themselves in the window, in the raiders jnr system.

NRL WA Junior Reps Information 2023 - NRL WA

NRL WA is unveiling its Junior Representative programs for the beginning of 2023, and our regions are ramping up for a bigger and better year this year. With COVID interrupting our junior representative teams in 2022, we are looking to come back stronger than ever. Our Junior Representative...

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[Iamback]

In WA we have two main development systems, neither well funded and therefore without the quality of coaching etc to produce large numbers of talent.

we have a shs scholarship program which features a shs competition With 8 schools in it.


then we have the nrlwa region program that takes the best kids from the nrlwa clubs at various age groups and puts them in 4 region rep systems depending on the club they play for. These rep,teams go from u13’s to u19’s,

These kids then get more and better coaching etc, in theory. We then had the sg ball side for the best of the kids from the region and shs rep teams to progress into. But alas nrl funding cuts has seen that disappear. So if you’re a talented 16 year old you only have three options. Stay in nrlwa and give up on nrl dream. Move over east and join an existing nrl clubs pathway program, not easy for a young kid, or join the western force program and quit rugby league to build a career in union.

there are other peripheral things happening but small scale, ie south perth have a link up with raiders and the best 3 u16’s get to to go to canberra for a few weeks to train, and presumably put themselves in the window, in the raiders jnr system.

NRL WA Junior Reps Information 2023 - NRL WA

NRL WA is unveiling its Junior Representative programs for the beginning of 2023, and our regions are ramping up for a bigger and better year this year. With COVID interrupting our junior representative teams in 2022, we are looking to come back stronger than ever. Our Junior Representative...

nrlwa.com.au

You just answered why it doesn't get more funding.

I don't blame the kids, very few would go West at that age from over here.

The System PNG has taken across would have a coach in the relative zones

So in theory kids in Broome get the exact same training as those in Perth. Without having to travel down then go into the relevant rep side and go from there.

Penrith spend $5m on it
PNG got $5.5m to run theres

 

[mongoose]

A fumbleball mad Perth market that cared more for the Dockers than the Reds is the correct answer.

So Super League had no impact? f**k you post some shit.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So donkey

‘you’re selfish for wanting a club in your city with no club’

‘but I’m not selfish just because I want a third team in my city because I dont want to support the two that are already here’

you muppet.

Brisbane is the world's second largest rugby league city by population. An argument can be made it's the most parochial rugby league city in the world. The two largest, richest and most supported rugby league clubs in the world are from Brisbane.

Perth is a fumbleball city. Its peoole don't give two shits about rugby league. Look at the TV ratings and failure of the Reds to generate a substantial supporter base.

Arguing that Brisbane should be limited to just two NRL clubs -- so one can be created in Perth and propped up by the QRL and NSWRL -- is just plain dumb and selfish. For a start, the so-called Perth bid is lightyears behind the Brisbane Tigers bid on every metric. Of all the bids, none are richer and more beneficial to the game than the Brisbane Tigers. There's no commercial benefit to adding a team from Perth. The broadcasters don't want it and there's no demand from the Perth public for one. You're arguing for Perth to be given preferential treatment just because you live there.

What really pisses me of is you're saying the long and proud history of powerful rugby league clubs in Brisbane -- dating back to 1909 -- should be thrown out the window to accommodate an unwanted club from a fumbleball city that will need to propped up by the QRL, NSWRL and NRL for decades. All of this because some dumb whiny bitch from England decided to move to Perth 25 years ago.

How would you like it if the Super League became a closed shop second tier competition and fed its players into one English NRL team that was based in Manchester?

On top of that, an Australian who chose to live in Belfast demanded a second team from the British Isles be based in Northern Ireland instead of Leeds, then argued that rugby league fans from Yorkshire are "selfish" for wanting the Rhinos to have a team?

The idiot then went on to argue that rugby league fans in Leeds said already have a team in Manchester to follow?

At one stage you said Hull's population of 260k needs two teams, then argued Brisbane's 2.5m people should only have two teams. You're an idiot.

The BRL clubs are more important to the game than the piss pot soapdodger clubs that don't have two pennies to rub together.

 

[Centy Coast]

Roads and public transport.

It's that simple folks.

The Oracle has solved PNGs problems!

Dreaming but I’d love to see three nrl2 confer and a proper nrl reserve grade

nrl australian conference
perth
adelaide
central coast
illawarra
newtown
north sydney
4 queensland clubs

png confernce
8 png clubs

pacific conference
wellington
christchurch
Waikato
hamilton
fiji
samoa
tonga
cook islands

imagine the player production and reach of rugby league if we had nrl then 3 conferences of semi professional clubs in all those cities.

PNG conference (8 clubs) would they have footy boots, jerseys to play in ?, I’d just put the PNG Hunters in the Pacific conference.
PNG could only manage 1 silver medal in weight lifting at the last commonwealth games, the Country is not full of athletes.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

As successful as the dolphins were in their first year I still feel they're not living up to the full potential a proper second Brisbane team could achieve, though it is hard to say how high that potential is.

They have made some unwise choices like not having Brisbane in the team name and not playing all 12 games at Suncorp (the entire point of a second Brisbane club). Case in point this year they will play the rabbits at kayo in front of 10k where as last year it drew 22k on a thursday at suncorp. For me it is just small time thinking and maybe something a standalone new club wouldn't be doing.

But I am a fan of the dolphins club and like the history that comes with them to the nrl and hope they can grow to be as successful off the field as the broncos. Big teams in big cities is what is needed.

As for Perth, of course they deserve a team but brisbane 2 was more of a priority, regardless I believe they will become one of the big teams of the nrl when admitted. Despite all the trolling, WA has a history of playing the game since 1948 and has a big cashed up population and now a supportive government, everything is in place for success and actual growth of the game.

RL is a minority sport in Perth.

From a commercial and logistical perspective, there's zero reason to include Perth ahead of the Brisbane Tigers.

Brisbane Tigers assets $135m
Perth NRL BID assets $0

Lang Park is world's best rugby league stadium.
PRS is a dump.

NRL FTA ratings in Brisbane 111k.
NTL FTA ratings in Perth 8k.

QRL 65k players.
WARL 4.1k players.

Langlands Park has a high performance training centre and has already hosted NRLW games.
Perth NRL bid doesn't even have a block of land for a team to train on.

A Perth-based team will never be one of the bigger clubs. It will struggle to attract sponsors, fans and players.