1st Test: Australia v Pakistan at Brisbane on Dec 15-19, 2016

[Pete Cash]

Also for the record shield pitches were green as f**k up to the 2014 season when cricket australia literally ordered the states to produce flatter pitches to better replicate test pitches

We still sucked in England

You see when first class pitches get prepared especially green to force a result dibbly dobbly plodders take bags full of wickets, spinners dont get a bowl and it doesnt necessarily produce the best batsmen

Look at NZ first class cricket. De grandhomme takes wickets and Colin Munro scores buckets of runs. How is munro going to go when he faces a bowler who bowls faster than grandma in the backyard.

Even the ECB has been critical of counties producing overly green pitches because it stunts the development of test cricketers. Its part of the reason they are experimenting with ditching the toss.

Essex were opening the bowling with jesse ryder lol. Who is that preparing for test cricket ?

 

[JJ]

Glad to see the Pakis have shown they can play - their inexplicable 1st innings debacle has been really costly

Next test I hope they bring Sohail back for Rahat, and the series could be very interesting

 

[hineyrulz]

Anyone thinking the next 2 games are a matter of turnup and win are kidding themselves, this Paki bowling attack is a solid unit and they fight they've shown here with the bat..

Won't be as easy as everyone imagined

You were the one bagging the shit out of them and asking how they got to be number 1 in the world.

He rotates his opinions quicker than the Aussies can rotate the strike.

 

[hineyrulz]

So is Wade.

Did well in the last test and deserved credit.

But he's back to being bad in this test. Deserved this second chance but has blown it.

Time to give Nevill a second chance.

Lol you were the spastic telling us all his keeping had improved. It hadn't, just dribble from Warne and clueless media.

Now you want Nevill back??? Lol derp.

 

[hineyrulz]

Well done to the Pakis fantastic effort today albeit on a very flat wicket.

Lyon showing once again he offers absolutely nothing in the 4th innings. Feel for Haze bowled outstanding for no reward at all.

 

[JJ]

List of frontline spinners that were used since Warne retired (but debuted before Warne retired):

- Stuart MacGill (played 4 tests after Warne retired)
- Brad Hogg (played 3 tests after Warne retired)
- Nathan Hauritz (played 16 tests after Warne retired)

spinners that debuted after Warne's retirement:

- Beau Casson (1 test)
- Cameron White (4 tests)
- Jason Krejza (2 tests)
- Bryce McGrain (1 test)
- Steve Smith (47 tests. I've added him, as he started off in the test team as a front-line spinner before he was dropped)
- Xavier Doherty (4 tests)
- Michael Beer (2 tests)
- Nathan Lyon (60 tests)
- Glenn Maxwell (3 tests)
- Ashton Agar (2 tests)
- Steve O'Keefe (3 tests)
- Jon Holland (2 tests)

That's a lot of spinners used over the past 10 years.

Yep - but at the end of the day that's about normal for Australian cricket isn't it?
Off the top of my head you had Warne and MacGill, before them Benaud was probably the last great(ish) spinner, then prior to that O'Reilly and Grimmett (who as I love to point out was actually a Kiwi frustrated by the fact that we weren't a test nation). Obviously all of those are wrist spinners which is a diabolically difficult craft - so that's 5 great wrist spinners (excuse me if I've missed others) and only 4 of them were produced in Australia - it could be a long wait for another...

I grew up watching Ray Bright, Peter Sleep, Greg Matthews, Peter Taylor, Murray Bennett, Bob Holland etc - much the same as now - good on the selectors for sticking with Lyon, but at the end of the day he's very mediocre at test level (Murray Bennett must lie awake thinking he could have been the GOAT) - he's never seemed to learn much variation - Vetorri could barely turn the ball, but he had so many subtle variations - why has Lyon never progressed?

 

[The Charlatan]

f**k me some of those fielding placements in the last session were befuddling.

 

[hineyrulz]

Yep - but at the end of the day that's about normal for Australian cricket isn't it?
Off the top of my head you had Warne and MacGill, before them Benaud was probably the last great(ish) spinner, then prior to that O'Reilly and Grimmett (who as I love to point out was actually a Kiwi frustrated by the fact that we weren't a test nation). Obviously all of those are wrist spinners which is a diabolically difficult craft - so that's 5 great wrist spinners (excuse me if I've missed others) and only 4 of them were produced in Australia - it could be a long wait for another...

I grew up watching Ray Bright, Peter Sleep, Greg Matthews, Peter Taylor, Murray Bennett, Bob Holland etc - much the same as now - good on the selectors for sticking with Lyon, but at the end of the day he's very mediocre at test level (Murray Bennett must lie awake thinking he could have been the GOAT) - he's never seemed to learn much variation - Vetorri could barely turn the ball, but he had so many subtle variations - why has Lyon never progressed?

If you ask me he has regressed, at least he used to give it a decent rip come over the top and flight it a bit. He's been bowling to fast for years now I'm amazed no one hasn't said anything. Maybe they have and he still bowls the same rubbish.

 

[Bazal]

If you ask me he has regressed, at least he used to give it a decent rip come over the top and flight it a bit. He's been bowling to fast for years now I'm amazed no one hasn't said anything. Maybe they have and he still bowls the same rubbish.

One of the boys at cricket said that word around the Comets is Smith wants O'Keefe in the side. Whether it's true or not I have no idea but he certainly seems to be more reluctant to bowl him these days. And he definitely doesn't go to him for wickets

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I'm no lyon defender but he won't be dropped until he starts bleeding runs.
ATM he concedes 3.18 runs an over which is about the same as his whole career.

I reckon SOK would have replaced him after hobart but injury prevented that.

 

[Hutty1986]

We will still win today... I think.... just.

 

[Bazal]

I'm no lyon defender but he won't be dropped until he starts bleeding runs.
ATM he concedes 3.18 runs an over which is about the same as his whole career.

I reckon SOK would have replaced him after hobart but injury prevented that.

Unless he loses the support of his captain....I think he'll go to India, with another spinner, and if the other bloke performs at the same level or better that might be the end of him

 

[jargan83]

Credit to Pakistan for showing some fight in the second dig, if Australia were set 490 to win with two days to bat we'd probably get rolled for 150 in two sessions.

 

[Rabbits20]

Lol you were the spastic telling us all his keeping had improved. It hadn't, just dribble from Warne and clueless media.

Now you want Nevill back??? Lol derp.

It had improved.

But he's really let himself down this test.

He probably just keeps his spot though for the next test.

 

[BunniesMan]

List of frontline spinners that were used since Warne retired (but debuted before Warne retired):

- Stuart MacGill (played 4 tests after Warne retired)
- Brad Hogg (played 3 tests after Warne retired)
- Nathan Hauritz (played 16 tests after Warne retired)

spinners that debuted after Warne's retirement:

- Beau Casson (1 test)
- Cameron White (4 tests)
- Jason Krejza (2 tests)
- Bryce McGrain (1 test)
- Steve Smith (47 tests. I've added him, as he started off in the test team as a front-line spinner before he was dropped)
- Xavier Doherty (4 tests)
- Michael Beer (2 tests)
- Nathan Lyon (60 tests)
- Glenn Maxwell (3 tests)
- Ashton Agar (2 tests)
- Steve O'Keefe (3 tests)
- Jon Holland (2 tests)

That's a lot of spinners used over the past 10 years.

I didn't say there were no spinners. I said there were none better than mediocre. That list proves it.

 

[Rabbits20]

We will still win today... I think.... just.

They should be out in about half an hour today.

 

[Bazal]

It had improved.

But he's really let himself down this test.

He probably just keeps his spot though for the next test.

Wait, your last post you said we should bring Nevill back, now we should persist with Wade?

 

[Incorrect]

Just another observation on Lyon, he seems to have turned in to a surly f**ker in recent times. Comes across as a bit of a condescending merkin these days...

 

[hineyrulz]

It had improved.

But he's really let himself down this test.

He probably just keeps his spot though for the next test.

No it hadn't, his keeping was shit in SA and in NZ earlier in the year. He had done absolutely nothing to earn a recall only clowns like you and Warne thought his keeping has improved.

 

[hineyrulz]

Wait, your last post you said we should bring Nevill back, now we should persist with Wade?

He's trying to out derp BM by the looks.