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1st Test: New Zealand v Australia at Wellington on Feb 12-16, 2016

hineyrulz

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Anyone else capable of during the job???

What I saw of Rutherford his technique looked looser then a Scott Boland spell.
 

ANTiLAG

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Very concise :clap:

Yep - Guptill is our Finch - happy for him to open in ODIs and 20:20, but he's not up to test cricket imo

I hear where your coming from but I will reserve my opinion on Gups till next test.

Today was the first time ever he batted in tests how I want him too. Over pitched by the seamers and he clobbered it. He got 45 before being deceived in flight by Lyon. (He probably should stop pullin seamers, though.).

Lyon got Latham too. And got a few Indian test batting guns last year.

At some point, batsman want to push back Lyon's fielders else he will put the screws on till a jafa gets them.

Lyon is a crafty bowler.

Appears innocuous but gets just enough dip and drift to stuff the best players of spin batsmen right up. If he can do it to India, no shame doing it to Kiwis.

But yeah as you say, Guptill has a terrible track record in tests and is on borrowed time for some good returns is a fair and reasonable argument.
 
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ANTiLAG

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Anyone else capable of during the job???

What I saw of Rutherford his technique looked looser then a Scott Boland spell.

Ben Smith & Jeet Raval. (Both had a bad domestic game at the wrong time).
And Dean Brownlie. So a lot of opening options not Rutherford.

No Rutherford, please.
 
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chigurh

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Hazlewood is awesome and hasn't played 20 tests yet

Lyon and Marsh keep improving too - if we can get one of our other strike bowlers fit and alongside them we are looking OK
 

vvvrulz

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Latham is still young and has plenty of time. Guptill is just shit.

You're right on the money, Latham is *by far* our most promising test opening prospect since... well... Richardson? He needs to be persevered with, usually digs in impressively (or at least bloody well tries to).

Guptill might as well go for his shots. He can't play test cricket for jack... but without another opener standing up to be selected, him cracking a few quick fifties is better than nothing I guess.

Some people seem to be expecting a Kane Williamson ton every game.
Worrying though that when he does fail, our innings usually goes down this road.

I always dig at Anderson lately, the guy did at least occupy the crease last innings but he still looks generally pretty plod all around.

On another note, a guy I do always support, Neil Wagner would have bowled his ass off on this wicket. When conditions aren't in our favour we're so f*cking pedestrian, it would have been nice to have a lion hearted performer to call on. Henry non-selection also bizarre. Southee has done pretty much f*ck all since that epic 7-for. Surely it's time to give up on Craig too, Sodhi might have been interesting given his last performance.

Full credit to Australia who are giving us a royal lesson on how to play this game.
 

vvvrulz

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Ben Smith & Jeet Raval. (Both had a bad domestic game at the wrong time).
And Dean Brownlie. So a lot of opening options not Rutherford.

No Rutherford, please.

Rutherford is abysmal unless the ball is *exactly* in his arc (as England duly gift wrapped on his debut).

Brownlie worth a go, I really liked his Hobart knocks and that South Africa ton.

The rest are pure speculation, we have no idea about them.
Can't judge anything based on our very inferior domestic comp.

It's weird, but Guptill is actually one of our safer bets.
 

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You're right on the money, Latham is *by far* our most promising test opening prospect since... well... Richardson? He needs to be persevered with, usually digs in impressively (or at least bloody well tries to).

Guptill might as well go for his shots. He can't play test cricket for jack... but without another opener standing up to be selected, him cracking a few quick fifties is better than nothing I guess.

Some people seem to be expecting a Kane Williamson ton every game.
Worrying though that when he does fail, our innings usually goes down this road.

I always dig at Anderson lately, the guy did at least occupy the crease last innings but he still looks generally pretty plod all around.

On another note, a guy I do always support, Neil Wagner would have bowled his ass off on this wicket. When conditions aren't in our favour we're so f*cking pedestrian, it would have been nice to have a lion hearted performer to call on. Henry non-selection also bizarre. Southee has done pretty much f*ck all since that epic 7-for. Surely it's time to give up on Craig too, Sodhi might have been interesting given his last performance.

Full credit to Australia who are giving us a royal lesson on how to play this game.

I don't envy the selectirs on choosing the bowlers.

Bracewell has played the selectors (and myself) with his batting development. Henry was terible in tests in England and Aus.

Wagner has been better than Southee, Bracewell and Henry in tests the last few years. His non selection comming upto Sri Lanka had me spitting tacks on forums. The concern may have been how well Australians pull, but he has pitched up and got seam before.

Either way, Bracewell should not play next test. He's had a whole summer of nithing.

Wagner deserves to play on past performances but Henry's odi form has him as an understandable possible jumper over Wags.
 

ANTiLAG

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Rutherford is abysmal unless the ball is *exactly* in his arc (as England duly gift wrapped on his debut).

Brownlie worth a go, I really liked his Hobart knocks and that South Africa ton.

The rest are pure speculation, we have no idea about them.
Can't judge anything based on our very inferior domestic comp.

It's weird, but Guptill is actually one of our safer bets.

Both played NZ A, I think.

Getting runs in our inferior domestic comp is a good. There are plenty of useful bowlers running around (not test level but stil enough guage that is to swiftly dismissed l- McClenahan, Milne, Kuggelugn, Duffy, Wheeler, Nutall, Henry, Tastle, Sodhi, Small, etc etc). The whole point is to provide pathways - but we, average sum NZ cricket fans, then ignore results we do not like eg Munro.
 

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Why was Brownlie dropped anyway? He looked good when he toured aus a while back surprised he has not been given a shot at the top of the order.
 

ANTiLAG

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Why was Brownlie dropped anyway? He looked good when he toured aus a while back surprised he has not been given a shot at the top of the order.

He murders the best fast bowlers in the world.

He should have toured Australia this summer.

He just has one teeny weenie problem.

He cannot face good spin on turning tracks.

I mean you'd have to think he grew up in Perth to be as good against hostile seam bowlers and look as puzzled against spin as he does.

Oh wait.

So he is doing the ol Alec Stewart, and converting himself into an opening batsman, where he will have plenty of runs in the bank - before worrying about getting out done by a spinner.
 
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Meapro Ham

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Nobody's arguing the better side is well on top, but just like Adelaide a screw up by the umpire has had a huge influence

You guys crack me up. You've been completely outplayed. You can't blame a single umpiring decision on that. Same as in Adelaide. There will always be the occasional umpiring screw up. If you're not good enough to overcome that then you're just not good enough.
 

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You guys crack me up. You've been completely outplayed. You can't blame a single umpiring decision on that. Same as in Adelaide. There will always be the occasional umpiring screw up. If you're not good enough to overcome that then you're just not good enough.

That decision occured with Voges on 7.

Sell it anyway you like. He made 232 further runs he should not have.

We all want results where umpire decisions are not newsworthy stories and subject to cricinfo articles. These two bizarre decisions are not "occasional screw ups" such as a ball slightly pitching outside leg, or heading over the sumps of an lbw - they are bizarre and very rare.

Try to be more gracious winners about it when wrong decisions, especially ones so bizarre and rare, go in your favour.
 
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Rutherford is abysmal unless the ball is *exactly* in his arc (as England duly gift wrapped on his debut).

Brownlie worth a go, I really liked his Hobart knocks and that South Africa ton.

The rest are pure speculation, we have no idea about them.
Can't judge anything based on our very inferior domestic comp.

It's weird, but Guptill is actually one of our safer bets.

Brownlie hasn't done much this year, I think.

I'd like Ben Smith in there. Be good to get Young around the squad too - Anderson and Santner aren't anything like test #6s, Neesham remains the best bet if we want an all-rounder there - think we're at the point where Watling has to bat 6 and the all-rounder 7. Australia are too, as bad as Anderson and Santner are they are more likely to do well batting in tests than Marsh
 

JJ

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You guys crack me up. You've been completely outplayed. You can't blame a single umpiring decision on that. Same as in Adelaide. There will always be the occasional umpiring screw up. If you're not good enough to overcome that then you're just not good enough.

:lol: yeah ,we're not good enough - but some of you idiots were wailing about a process issue with a correct decision - now 200+ runs from a completely stupid mistake
 

ANTiLAG

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Brownlie hasn't done much this year, I think.

I'd like Ben Smith in there. Be good to get Young around the squad too - Anderson and Santner aren't anything like test #6s, Neesham remains the best bet if we want an all-rounder there - think we're at the point where Watling has to bat 6 and the all-rounder 7. Australia are too, as bad as Anderson and Santner are they are more likely to do well batting in tests than Marsh

Ian Smith just started the murmorings for a real batsman to bat 6 today.

First time I've heard it from our commentators.

Neesh sucked on turning tracks. Runs at home against Asian attacks, but not the same as pitch turning.

But just f off with the #6 allrounder altogether unless they can average 40 with the bat.

And I don't care how small Eden Park #2 is, Colin Munro should be getting further opportunities, at the very least ODI cricket, but his single test and first class bowling so far suggests he can do the role asked of Neesham and Anderson with the ball in test cricket, regardless.
 
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Based on the decision Alex Hales just got, NZ have had positively fantastic umpiring. Luckily they still had a review....Christ there are some poor umpires around (although Illingworth is generally one of the better ones)
 

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