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2023 TV/Fox/Streaming Ratings

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TheRam

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If that is the case, then that would be a really poor indictment of Rugby League minds.

Look if we were playing 1st tier nations that were also major countries like Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, US, Canada, China, Turkey, India or any other major country in the world like they do in soccer or to some degree Union, then people would love it and flock to it in massive numbers both at the game and national TV ratings, but we don't.

RL is played by an anemic England and France, NZ and a few Pacific Island nations. Which is find and I love, but hardly captures the general Australian publics imagination. The Average Aussie sees the RL international stage as a very small deal and hardly one to get to excited about especially since most of the time the Aussies wipe the floor with all of them.

The NZers and Islanders obviously love it and many RL fans like me love the rivalry and theater they bring to the game, but like I said, the majority of Australians don't get the same buzz as if it were being played by major nations of the world. That is just the plain hard facts about the matter. End of.

That is why when Paul Broughton tried to get the ARLC to help fund and commit to RL in the Universities in China(all he needed was around $200k and backing by the ARLC so that the Australian Gove would then help with grants) they turned him down. Madness and such a typical and pathetic short sighted ARLC response. Paul Broughton is dead now and seemingly so is his grand plan of getting a province of 27m Chinese university students involved in the game. A population larger then the whole of Australia ignored and rejected that could have been slowly converted into bona fide RL fans and thus creating over time what we will never have, a major nation of the world that loves our game and we can play international games with not to mention the amount of Chines that would slowly start to play and be part of our NRL competitions.

Oh well RL the sport that has so many self sabotaging 'If only' moments in its history.

Instead we are going for the fast and short sighted fix that I predict will fail to gain the returns they expect long term in Las Vegas. No new kids will be playing the game that is assured with this plan. Which to me is the only way to really turn people into supporters of a sport long term. Then the gambling is leveraged on top of that and as we know the Chinese love their punting. Time zone is also friendlier.

Instead like I said, the ARLC are trying to take short cuts here and by a golden goose. The problem is no one sells you a golden goose, you need to raise one for yourself from a rare and special golden egg that you are willing to incubate and slowly watch hatch and not crack it for a quick omelette or even worse kill the golden goose that occasionally lays it.

 

Colk

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"RL Fans will start following AFL if they have 3 weeks without club NRL on TV."
Has to be the dumbest argument ever! You'd have to be pretty insecure about the fans of our game to believe that for one second.

What might be of more concern to NRL is that PI players would rather play for Tonga or Samoa than Qlnd or NSW if it was a proper 3 week rep period.

The second paragraph is the biggest problem or argument against it.

Doc came up with a decent compromise earlier. Have one round of the NRL split over three weeks. If you get to 18 teams, just have three NRL games per week with an Origin.

Essentially every club is only impacted by one game
 

docbrown

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The second paragraph is the biggest problem or argument against it.

Doc came up with a decent compromise earlier. Have one round of the NRL split over three weeks. If you get to 18 teams, just have three NRL games per week with an Origin.

Essentially every club is only impacted by one game
Thanks. I don't think there's a perfect solution to origin, just a 'least-bad' option.

I'd run Origin over 5 weeks. For Origin Rounds:
Thursday, Friday and Saturday night - 3 NRL games (from one split NRL round)
Sunday afternoon - Women's State of Origin - at a separate ground from Men's
Sunday night - Men's State of Origin

Basically those Sundays become Origin Days. Maybe also play other state games like WA v VIC, NSW City vs Country -- but with non-NRL tier players.

Name the Origin teams the Thursday before. Players join the camp after they've played their NRL game in the prior weekend round. So some players get a 10 day camp and others get a minimum of 7. Regardless, most of the core group will be together for most of that 5 week period and will still form a close bond.

If you do this then you'd have something like:

Rounds 1-11 Normal rounds
Round 12 Origin I split round
Round 13 Normal round
Round 14 Origin II split round
Round 15 Normal round
Round 16 Origin III split round
Rounds 17-27 Normal rounds

Leave the internationals for the October/November window.
 

Starkers

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Can anyone find the crowd for All Blacks v Springboks for comparison purposes to Warriors v Sharks tomorrow?

Also would be good to see if we can get a TV ratings comparison, not sure if possible though.
 

Steel Saints

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We all know that the NRL currently has 17 teams. An odd number of teams is not ideal. However until team 18 comes in, the NRL needs to improve the draw during Origin, so that it is as fair as possible. Here are rounds 13, 16 and 19. Rounds where Origin players were not available.

Round 13
Dolphins v Dragons 26- 12
Eels v Cowboys 24-16
Warriors v Broncos 22-26
Rabbitohs v Raiders 26-33
Knights v Sea Eagles 28-18

Round 16
Cowboys v Panthers 27-23
Knights v Roosters 16-18
Eels v Sea Eagles 34- 4
Tigers v Storm 6-28
Sharks v Bulldogs 48-10

Round 19
Tigers v Sharks 12-36
Dragons v Raiders 26- 36
Eels v Warriors 10- 46
Rabbitohs v Bulldogs 32-36
Titans v Dolphins 21-23

Key takeaways:

* Eels played three games without Origin players. The most of any team.

* Panthers, Broncos, Storm, Titans and Roosters only played one game without Origin players.

* The remaining 11 teams- Raiders, Sharks, Rabbitohs, Warriors, Cowboys, Knights, Sea Eagles, Dolphins, Bulldogs, Tigers and Dragons all played two games without Origin players.

Draw wasn't kind to Parramatta, but to their credit, they did win 2 out of 3 games. That ain't bad...but still not a fair draw.
 
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Iamback

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The last definitive figures we have:

average match rating across the season in 2015 was 27,000. Warriors were hitting 150k every now and then but averaged around 90k, and non warriors games rating poorly

The grand final hit 140k, origin rated no higher than 113k. The ANZ test was the highest rating game in NZ at 272k.

Even at 27k per game. 200 games

is 5m viewers, decent numbers given the time difference
 

Iamback

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We all know that the NRL currently has 17 teams. An odd number of teams is not ideal. However until team 18 comes in, the NRL needs to improve the draw during Origin, so that it is as fair as possible. Here are rounds 13, 16 and 19. Rounds where Origin players were not available.

Round 13
Dolphins v Dragons 26- 12
Eels v Cowboys 24-16
Warriors v Broncos 22-26
Rabbitohs v Raiders 26-33
Knights v Sea Eagles 28-18

Round 16
Cowboys v Panthers 27-23
Knights v Roosters 16-18
Eels v Sea Eagles 34- 4
Tigers v Storm 6-28
Sharks v Bulldogs 48-10

Round 19
Tigers v Sharks 12-36
Dragons v Raiders 26- 36
Eels v Warriors 10- 46
Rabbitohs v Bulldogs 32-36
Titans v Dolphins 21-23

Key takeaways:

* Eels played three games without Origin players. The most of any team.

* Panthers, Broncos, Storm, Titans and Roosters only played one game without Origin players.

* The remaining 11 teams- Raiders, Sharks, Rabbitohs, Warriors, Cowboys, Knights, Sea Eagles, Dolphins, Bulldogs, Tigers and Dragons all played two games without Origin players.

Draw wasn't kind to Parramatta, but to their credit, they did win 2 out of 3 games. That ain't bad...but still not a fair draw.

Eels weren't meant to have any Origin players though.

Nor were those sides that played 2 games

I'd rather we still had a bye and played short handed across this time
 

Steel Saints

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Eels weren't meant to have any Origin players though.

Nor were those sides that played 2 games

I'd rather we still had a bye and played short handed across this time

As a Penrith fan, you would know that Parramatta played in the grand final last year. So a team that finished runners up, in all likelihood would have a number of players considered for Origin selection.
 

Iamback

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As a Penrith fan, you would know that Parramatta played in the grand final last year. So a team that finished runners up, in all likelihood would have a number of players considered for Origin selection.

Moses played due to injury cover
Gutho hasn't played since 2020 though.

Full strength neither play
 

Vibing

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I guess if you just started following the NRL this year you might think this. It’s well documented that NRL ratings and crowds suffer during origin. Also ratings have absolutely suffered this year, no doubt you’ll blame the cricket but I don’t see how you can say ratings have remained the same because we can’t know that.

Why is it suicide? Fans apparently will tune out of the game because of a 3 week rep period but not after the 6 months off after the season. It’s bizarre logic.

The 3 week rep period would have wall to wall media coverage drowning everything else out even more than it does now. The idea that it would open the door to other competitions is ludicrous.


This is just a dumb appeal to authority. So anything the NRL does is instantly correct just because?
I will blame cricket because its the main reason ratings are down atm , that & poor match selection from Ch 9 , Origin has had little affect otherwise

This Idea of a rep window in the middle of the year isn't new , & theres a reason the NRL hasn't gone down this path & never will

moan & bleat all you want , their stance is correct
the NRL season will lose momentum & may not regain it if it is suspended for a month in the middle of the year , that & all the other valid reasons put forward like the heritage players having to choose between their state or country , & clubs concerned about losing non Australian players to injury in pointless test matches.

won't happen
deal with it
 

Vibing

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"RL Fans will start following AFL if they have 3 weeks without club NRL on TV."
Has to be the dumbest argument ever! You'd have to be pretty insecure about the fans of our game to believe that for one second.

What might be of more concern to NRL is that PI players would rather play for Tonga or Samoa than Qlnd or NSW if it was a proper 3 week rep period.
they'd be forgoing $90K
they may choose their state instead , meaning Pacifika might not be as effective

so why risk it

end of the year is the place for internationals .............end of
 

taste2taste

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they'd be forgoing $90K
they may choose their state instead , meaning Pacifika might not be as effective

so why risk it

end of the year is the place for internationals .............end of
Agree, i think the death of representative weekends came when SOO didn't rate well on a Sunday. Another problem was SOO attracting all the best PI players, Unless players get paid equally for all rep games SOO will always attract the best players and the PI teams will field under strength teams and no one wants to see that.

Internationals will have to be played at the end of the season which also has its draw backs, 1) interest is low, footy fans tend to switch off once the GF is done 2) a heap of players pull out of end of season tests to get off season surgery.

In a perfect world we'd have a rep window, England and France could tour down under or teams could go over to the UK, we'd have 3 cracking weekends of international and SOO footy...won't happen unfortunately
 
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