3P - Why the Delays?

[Hollywood Jesus]

It does take time for TABS to be organised and going thru the process of applying for them.

Which is fine.

I also think objections to the title are fine, too.

But this thread has become more than that. I think that the two problems listed above have been adequately dealt with by the likes of Sevens, Jodeci and the Mods (and thanks for the contributions, guys) but new things have sprung up.

All of a sudden we're supposed to not worry about aspects of the actual LC simply because Justin Poore has been signed or because we just won a few games back-to-back. This is despite the fact that certain things formed part of the election platform.

Also, there's criticism for asking questions after only 3 months, despite the fact that people are trying to now state otherwise. Actually, there's an undercurrent of criticism for asking at all. This will be denied, but there are plenty of people insinuating that this has to do with the old board/new board thing that was killed on the day the elections were held.

People are being labelled as cowards for using the very medium that was previously identified as adequate. Or they're simply sh*t stirring or they have agendas. Pure bollucks.

It's because of these things that I am still posting. As far as I'm concerned, the original situations have been more than adequately dealt with by Jodeci, Sevens and the Mods.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Jesus, answer me this?

I know for a fact you have been standing having a drink at the club no more than 10 metres away from board members in the not too distant recent past?
Why wasn't the question put to a board member then, or failing that, in the near future when again, you would have a similar opportunity?

1) When? Prior to Sunday the last time I was at the LC was June 28 v Broncos. That was 6 weeks ago. Anyways, I don't remember seeing any board members that day.

2) Because it was only on Sunday that we heard people asking about the TAB and we had to send a guy out of the LC to find one so he could have a bet. It was originally an issue for us when the TAB got punted ages ago and we had to change our betting habits, then it came back up pre-election and manifested on Sunday with the events I just mentioned (which, btw, I have already mentioned several times in this thread).

 

[Parra Future]

When looking forward with the Club, this might be something that should be kept in mind. Obviously nothing can be done about it before Saturday but we unfortunately have to put up with the likes of Col, Twiz and Haynzy on several occasions throughout the year and so if we have to suffer through that pain it might be good if the LC is sucking down our misery dollars instead of places such as the R&C.

Thanks HJ. I love you too.

 

[PJ Marshal]

he was refering to colonel sanders i think col

 

[Suitman]

It's because of these things that I am still posting.

And it's because of your replies that I am too.

I also think objections to the title are fine, too.

That was always my only ever gripe

But this thread has become more than that. I think that the two problems listed above have been adequately dealt with by the likes of Sevens, Jodeci and the Mods (and thanks for the contributions, guys) but new things have sprung up.

LOL, the quote stated below was repeated by two of the above

All of a sudden we're supposed to not worry about aspects of the actual LC simply because Justin Poore has been signed or because we just won a few games back-to-back. This is despite the fact that certain things formed part of the election platform.

Also, there's criticism for asking questions after only 3 months, despite the fact that people are trying to now state otherwise. Actually, there's an undercurrent of criticism for asking at all. This will be denied, but there are plenty of people insinuating that this has to do with the old board/new board thing that was killed on the day the elections were held.

One person said that 3 months was a bit rich to expecting certain results. It has since been proven correct, by information that you were satisfied with.

People are being labelled as cowards for using the very medium that was previously identified as adequate. Or they're simply sh*t stirring or they have agendas. Pure bollucks.

No, and I'll say it again, the thread title was cowardly. One person. If that means MS is considered a coward by me, tough sh*t.

As far as I'm concerned, the original situations have been more than adequately dealt with by Jodeci, Sevens and the Mods.

And it could have been done just as easily with a well mannered question.

Suity

 

[Parra Future]

he was refering to colonel sanders i think col

Yeah your probably right. Now I'll back away very very quitely and hope nobody noticed. Sshh PJ, our secret. Are you going down to the R&C this week? If so, I'll see you there.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Pure crap, Suity. Those who thought it was a legitimate questions (as well as the other things that have been brought up) would still have gotten the "you can't ask after only 3 months, wait until the next election!" and the "bloody hell, we just signed Poore so who cares about the TAB?" responses.

The fact that they have been made with no reference to the original questions shows I am right.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Very sorry Gronk, can I ask what communication you got from the previous board on what they were doing.

Looks like the same thing the current board in terms of club issues, the League club Bulletin.

No one from the board or management has had time to scratch let alone get on this forum.

Oh I have spotted a few having some down time now and then, but hey they are entitled to that.

I and all the board have been at that club after games and during the week, and I have seen many of you in the club, so why not come up and ask the questions you want answered instead of taking pot shots on here.

Indeed you have, well actually I have seen yourself with Ray and Brett from the FC board, but as Ray has public stated on the channel 9's Footy Show, he doesn't care about the Leagues club so you couldn't bring up the issue with him, and I have seen Roy and John around, I have also seen Lyn about, but it looks like Lyn is a little broken at the moment.

However one of the major complaints I had heard in regards to the previous board, was its lack of communication and actually going out and speaking to the people where they were, Alan Overton aside who has been on this or any other incarnation of the Parramatta forums since before I meet him in 1998 and has more often that not been seen at almost every major Eels fan orginised get together in one way or another for a very long time. Around 1998 we had the person in charge of public relations at the football office on a forum with a separate thread that she would come in an answer questions posted about the Club in all its aspects. Maybe the Current Board, along with acting CEO Trulio could appoint someone like that to discuss issues with the leagues club, in a separate thread, if the good will of the folks at LU was forthcoming.

Now I wont pretend that I am completely happy with results post elections yet. As I have said to those close to me, I am not. I still have some nagging issues, but as I do with coaches I am happy enough to give the new boards and Mr Osbourne whom I have yet to meet, a year and a half to resolve them. Indeed I am sure all LC members will be looking at the bottom line on the LC annual report for the next few years as well.

I won't doubt that there is a good feeling about the ERL side, but people I spoke with pre Eric Grothe's candidacy who work at the club, not those that are elected, told me that in terms of the football office the only side that were disappointing last year (2008) were the NRL side, which I agree with having watch all the sides last year, that trend seems to have continued on regardless, just now we are swapping the NRL side for the NYC side in terms of disappointment. It would seem one coaching appointment could have been the reason for both of these disappointments, and if that is the case, then the previous board should also share some of the credit for our current position as it was they who before any election of the candidacy of Eric Grothe, announced the signing of Daniel Anderson, who I am sure you will agree with me seems to have taken over the reigns of the NRL side and bought a sense of Pride, and in hearing Daniel speak, accountability within the Top 25, including some of the Boys in the Toyota cup and Wentworthville.

The signing of Paul Osbourne is a great stroke of luck and a change for the positive at our club, yet I am still yet to have his position clarified, is he the CEO of the Football Club, or the Football Office. As was 3P's promise the CEO positions of Football Club and Leagues Club were split, so I would doubt he would be CEO of the Leagues club, which leads to another important question, who is the CEO of the Leagues club, are we actively looking for one? or it is going to be Trulio? Indeed these questions are quite prevalent to the question raised about the TAB, as it could well be the CEO of the Leagues club who appoints his internal staff to do the investigations for the TAB or other betting agency.

In regards to the signing of Osbourne, I can say that last August I wrote up some notes for an F7's article about what Parramatta fans wanted, unfortunately the article was not finished as other issue arose but so far he and the new board have ticked all the boxes apart from the sponsorship ones but the new boards and CEO's have all off season to get them nailed down and hopefully report the order value of such sponsorships to the membership, but I would say to take full responsibility for the side fortunes since the Ticket came to power is a little naive. People on the staff at the club have always said to me that they had no major problems with the previous board and the CEO, so would the change of have caused the turn around in our of field fortunes, as much as the change of coach and the player finally getting on board with what the coach wanted? A well known former coach said of Rugby League sides late last year that "It takes a good coach 18 months to build a side and a bad coach 18 months to destroy one". In that regard, I would think Daniel Anderson is doing exceptionally well and the generally positive press around the club since Osbourne's arrival is also helping, a reason many, myself included wanted to see the role of League Club CEO and Football Club CEO split or the Head of the Football office used like Mr Osbourne is now as the main face of our club to the Media as the man in charge of the club.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Yeah your probably right. Now I'll back away very very quitely and hope nobody noticed. Sshh PJ, our secret. Are you going down to the R&C this week? If so, I'll see you there.

Yeah, I was referring to Colonel. You see, i have no problem with you whereas I hate Col with a passion and have to scrub my skin raw after every instance where we end up in the same room.

 

[Gronk]

Yes I do get a bee in my bonnet when faceless people call good people liars, and if you dont like that Gronk, tough sh*t

No, I wasn't talking about liar accusation. That was below the belt.

I think that it's fairly evident from this thread that those who dare to ask the tough questions about the (new) board will be given a hard time. Not unexpected to say the least and it will be ongoing. :lol: Having said that, I do think that they deserve a honeymoon period.

BTW are you going to answer Born an eel's question ?

 

[fish eel]

In regards to your CEO question Mark, Tullio is still listed as 'Acting' on the new website

 

[PJ Marshal]

Yeah your probably right. Now I'll back away very very quitely and hope nobody noticed. Sshh PJ, our secret. Are you going down to the R&C this week? If so, I'll see you there.

hopefully mate, got some work stuff to deal with at the game for naidoc celebrations so may be a little late

 

[fish eel]

Yeah, I was referring to Colonel. You see, i have no problem with you whereas I hate Col with a passion and have to scrub my skin raw after every instance where we end up in the same room.

you also need someone to get the knives out of your back ;-) :lol:

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Sorry guys double post the iPhone is playing up or it could just be safari

 

[JessEel]

That's a laod of crap, too. Sorry, Jess, but it is.

The small decisions are just as important as the big ones. Was it Churchill who said that the man who cannot be trusted with the smallest of things cannot be trusted with the largest of things?

It was certainly important to the person who stopped drinking at the LC because they had to go elsewhere to place a bet.

It's not stirring sh*t. As I've said it came from experiences with LC patrons on Sunday. Not everyone is totally obsessed with whether we win a football game or not and I stated that this was my situation prior to the elections. I stated that it was just important that the LC was run well and so I participated in this thread because I was curious as to the status of an election issue - one which because it is still unfulfilled is causing a patron (possibly more) to leave the premises.

The whole "We signed Justin Poore so no one should worry about anything we said prior to the election" line is utter crap.

OK - i look forward to receiving emails reminding me that the leak has been fixed in the ladies bathroom on Level 2 :roll:

The day i actually believe you are not stirring sh*t, is the day hell freezes over. I find it very hard to talk with yourself or Jezza these days - seeing as i don't enjoy being made fun of or confused for fun.

Your priority is whats in the club - most people's priority is the team and how its run. Seeing as there aren't regular Leagues Club update emails sent out, i would expect that it would be your (as the minority) responsibility to chase up this information, rather then expect the information to come to you..

My opinion.

 

[fish eel]

OK - i look forward to receiving emails reminding me that the leak has been fixed in the ladies bathroom on Level 2 :roll:

The day i actually believe you are not stirring sh*t, is the day hell freezes over. I find it very hard to talk with yourself or Jezza these days - seeing as i don't enjoy being made fun of or confused for fun.

Your priority is whats in the club - most people's priority is the team and how its run. Seeing as there aren't regular Leagues Club update emails sent out, i would expect that it would be your (as the minority) responsibility to chase up this information, rather then expect the information to come to you..

My opinion.

a club he'll only go to on game day provided he doesnt miss his train and his home by dark

 

[MarkInTheStands]

OK - i look forward to receiving emails reminding me that the leak has been fixed in the ladies bathroom on Level 2 :roll:

The day i actually believe you are not stirring sh*t, is the day hell freezes over. I find it very hard to talk with yourself or Jezza these days - seeing as i don't enjoy being made fun of or confused for fun.

Your priority is whats in the club - most people's priority is the team and how its run. Seeing as there aren't regular Leagues Club update emails sent out, i would expect that it would be your (as the minority) responsibility to chase up this information, rather then expect the information to come to you..

My opinion.

Hi Jess,

Maybe HJ means the e-mails I and many others recieve from the leagues club in regards to the release of the bulletin or special promotions and deals as such and not the Blue and Gold army / season ticket holders e-mails we all recieve.

Just a thought and another interpritation.

 

[SDM]

Surely the new board know of an SP who can sit in the corner at Sterlo's and make a book?

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

you also need someone to get the knives out of your back ;-) :lol:

You put them in so you take the bloody things out.

The day i actually believe you are not stirring sh*t, is the day hell freezes over. I find it very hard to talk with yourself or Jezza these days - seeing as i don't enjoy being made fun of or confused for fun.

Well, that's actually a fair point. All I can say is that sometimes I'm actually serious and this was one of those times.

Your priority is whats in the club - most people's priority is the team and how its run. Seeing as there aren't regular Leagues Club update emails sent out, i would expect that it would be your (as the minority) responsibility to chase up this information, rather then expect the information to come to you..

My opinion.

And a fair enough opinion it is.

My priority isn't the LC but I'm certainly not going to ignore it considering it was highlighted as an important aspect of the election. Most especially since the profitability of the LC is directly related to the ability to properly run the team/s.

We were told that certain things needed to be done to the LC so that the LC could become an integral part of the Parramatta experience. Some things will take time - the HoF for example. Other things shouldn't take us much time - the TAB and putting pooltables back in Sterlo's should have been something that could be done almost immediately. In addition, as born an eel has pointed out, we were given the impression that there was a raft of sponsors willing to jump on board as soon as DF was turfed.

It's only fair that we be allowed to ask these questions without being howled down (which, despite the protests, is what has happened).

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

a club he'll only go to on game day provided he doesnt miss his train and his home by dark

No. A Club that is the financial backbone of our ability to run football teams. A Club that was made a central platform during elections held earlier this year.

Also, please note that I've made it quite clear that the TAB (which started this thread) is an issue that I am talking about because I have seen how it affects other patrons. Unlike you dirty commies I don't just think about myself all the time (most of the time, sure, but not all the time)