4th Test: Australia v India at SCG Jan 3-7 2019 - MATCH DRAWN

[Mr Spock!]

2018 bowling stats (5 tests or more)

Cummins 44 wickets @19.97, 2 x 5 fers
Hazlewood 26 wickets @ 33.26, 0 x 5 fers
Starc 31 wickets @33.35, 1x 5 fer
Lyon 49 wickets @34.02, 2 x 5 fers
MMarsh 6 wickets @ 58.50, 0 x 5fer

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/bowling.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

 

[lockyno1]

I am afraid we haven't got anyone better, it's not that we've bowled badly, I just think it's as simple as India have won every toss that they needed to win, the 3 decks that have turned out to be day 1 roads.. India have batted first, they typically will make 400+ and a draw will be our best chance of a result as we're not going to score 500+ and they've got too much class on wickets that aren't doing a hell of a lot

Jhye Richardson for one, Pattinson is another, or Chris Tremain. All are alternatives.

 

[Pete Cash]

2018 bowling stats (5 tests or more)

Cummins 44 wickets @19.97, 2 x 5 fers
Hazlewood 26 wickets @ 33.26, 0 x 5 fers
Starc 31 wickets @33.35, 1x 5 fer
Lyon 49 wickets @34.02, 2 x 5 fers
MMarsh 6 wickets @ 58.50, 0 x 5fer

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/bowling.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

Thats not great reading.

I think its potentially a coaching issue. They are bowling to bad plans. Haze could afford to maybe slow it down a bit because he seems to push one too straight every over. Mcgrath didnt worry about his pace, he used his height to get whatever was in the pitch working for him and just hit a good area.

If we are to have even a small chance against england we need to threaten the stumps more.

 

[TheParraboy]

Thats not great reading.

I think its potentially a coaching issue. They are bowling to bad plans. Haze could afford to maybe slow it down a bit because he seems to push one too straight every over. Mcgrath didnt worry about his pace, he used his height to get whatever was in the pitch working for him and just hit a good area.

If we are to have even a small chance against england we need to threaten the stumps more.

He was never gonna get picked but Peter Siddle would have done better than Starc or Haze this series (hindsight is wonderfull too) I though Siddle out bowled Starc in the UAE, and looking at the bbl, he has been bowling clever and hitting the line and length he wants. seasoned and experienced.

Today we somehow need to bowl India out just before or just after lunch, under 400?

Then, to have any chance of winning, we need to post 500+, yes very laughable I know

 

[umina panther]

He was never gonna get picked but Peter Siddle would have done better than Starc or Haze this series (hindsight is wonderfull too) I though Siddle out bowled Starc in the UAE, and looking at the bbl, he has been bowling clever and hitting the line and length he wants. seasoned and experienced.

Today we somehow need to bowl India out just before or just after lunch, under 400?

Then, to have any chance of winning, we need to post 500+, yes very laughable I know

Starc is an overrated donkey but Siddle is just straight up shit

 

[TheParraboy]

2018 bowling stats (5 tests or more)

Cummins 44 wickets @19.97, 2 x 5 fers
Hazlewood 26 wickets @ 33.26, 0 x 5 fers
Starc 31 wickets @33.35, 1x 5 fer
Lyon 49 wickets @34.02, 2 x 5 fers
MMarsh 6 wickets @ 58.50, 0 x 5fer

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/bowling.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

Hazlewood has been the biggest let down I think

Starc played in the UAE so his average would blow out a bit more , he is also an attacking bowler and unfortunately can be a bit like Johnson was at times

Expected better from Hazlewood, both in South Africa and this series

 

[vvvrulz]

At least you’d be guaranteed Siddle would try his guts out, there’s always a good spell or two in him.

He might have gone ok as third seamer if Haze and Pat shared the new cherry.

I get that the batsman aren’t scoring runs, but the bowlers have also been unable to do anything about Pujara and it’s killing them.

Why is SOK out? (Yet again)

 

[TheParraboy]

Why is SOK out? (Yet again)

Probably not as good a bloke compared to the XI that are there (plus finch and mmarsh)

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Siddle is past it and has been for 3 years.

 

[_snafu_]

Why is SOK out? (Yet again)

Negative vibes.

 

[hineyrulz]

Starc is an overrated donkey but Siddle is just straight up shit

Easily the worst Aussie bowler to take 200 test wickets.

Merkin should of taken up leg spin as our second spinner.

 

[hineyrulz]

And surely the bowling tactics and plans have to come into question??? Apparently 7.9% of bowls bowled by us this series have been hitting the stumps.

That takes out two major ways to take wickets, I wonder how our bowlers would look if they got to bowl at our trash top order???

 

[vvvrulz]

And surely the bowling tactics and plans have to come into question??? Apparently 7.9% of bowls bowled by us this series have been hitting the stumps.

That takes out two major ways to take wickets, I wonder how our bowlers would look if they got to bowl at our trash top order???

Especially for Starc, you’d this his best chance is to pitch it up, wicket to wicket, looking for inswing.

Haze is probably suited to chasing the edge like McGrath.

There’s no assistance from the wickets, but Bumrah seems to find ways to get the ball talking so no excuses really.

 

[Twizzle]

Why is SOK out? (Yet again)

not as good a fielder as Lol@bowlingchange

 

[Twizzle]

2018 bowling stats (5 tests or more)

Cummins 44 wickets @19.97, 2 x 5 fers
Hazlewood 26 wickets @ 33.26, 0 x 5 fers
Starc 31 wickets @33.35, 1x 5 fer
Lyon 49 wickets @34.02, 2 x 5 fers
MMarsh 6 wickets @ 58.50, 0 x 5fer

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/bowling.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

you will get a better picture if you provide stats based on prior to the Space Cadet being appointed and after his appointment

thats when it went pear shaped for our bowlers

 

[simmo1]

Starc is a good bowler out of form. He deserves the Sri Lanka series to prove himself as he has been a strong performer over many years.

It sucks because our best chance to win this series was through our bowlers and two of them have been below their best.

Though I do wonder why the fox team hasn't analysed the Marsh's and Finch's techniques to the degree they have Starc and Handscombe.

 

[Twizzle]

Starc is a good bowler out of form. He deserves the Sri Lanka series to prove himself as he has been a strong performer over many years.

It sucks because our best chance to win this series was through our bowlers and two of them have been below their best.

Though I do wonder why the fox team hasn't analysed the Marsh's and Finch's techniques to the degree they have Starc and Handscombe.

Finch's technique was looked at by the Fox team, front foot issues have been spoken about regularly but some of the dopes thought all this could be fixed simply by dropping him down the order where he didn't come up against the new ball.

Ex intentional cricketers aren't all necessarily that smart.

Sean Marsh certainly has issues with his footwork and plays a long way from his body but so do most of the Indians and they can get away with it to an extent on our flat pitches, although that technique failed them in Adelaide which was slightly green. The Indian team have reacted well and seem to be playing the ball closer to the body and/or under the eye line now and credit to their coaching staff.

For some reason he (Darsh) seems to be a protected species, I've never heard any of them say a bad word about him.

 

[Pete Cash]

Also the bowlers have been stuck in a cycle of bowl first, bust guts, watch batsmen collapse, try and save the innings and then back to working bowling like 200 behind.

Pujara is a class act and sometimes you gotta put your hand up and say a guy was better than you. I also think we’ve done an alright job on kohli. We have kept him below his 2018 stats.

It can’t be easy to bowl knowing that unless you knock the opposition out for sub 300 it’s gonna be pads on in about half an hour fighting to avoid the follow on

 

[vvvrulz]

The Indian attack has racked up all 60 wickets this series; I don’t buy that that attack is better than Australia’s.

Some of it is simply poor bowling from good bowlers, Cummins aside.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

Would a team of
1. Renshaw
2. Burns
3. Uzzie
4. Head
5. Maxwell
6. Wade
7-11 the same as we have now.

Would that team of giving this series a better crack?