Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Brian potter]

It should go Perth, due to the Timezone & new market, 3 years later, NZ2, gives the Warriors a chance to consolidate after the COVID years and then 3 years later Brisbane Tigers, gives time for the Dolphins to establish and no doubt will get in the ear of Ashfield and pay big dollars to take the Tigers name and Wests to revert to Magpies (won’t happen but they’ll try)

This would be beyond awesome if the tigers relocated to Brisbane and the magpies were permanently based in greater western Sydney in Campbelltown short-term and possibly Liverpool long-term in a new stadium.

western magpies.

 

[MugaB]

This would be beyond awesome if the tigers relocated to Brisbane and the magpies were permanently based in greater western Sydney in Campbelltown short-term and possibly Liverpool long-term in a new stadium.

western magpies.

Wont happen, if the club were to revert to magpies, the club would be torn apart, better to just disolve, besides nothing will happen, the worst that happens is the keep racking up spoons, success is cyclical, they wont be down there for much longer, the knights went thru 3 wooden spoons to eventually climb the ladder, its just the nature of the salary cap

 

[Perth Red]

The Storm's inability to sell out the smallish Melbourne Rectangular Stadium for the final against Roosters isn't a good sign for Perth. Lang Park was sold out last week. The NRL makes money from all finals games. It's in their interest to have as many teams in Brisbane as they can fit to maximise their chances of having more finals games at Lang Park.

It'll be interesting to see how much support the Warriors get tomorrow. The RWC is on and the Warriors were smashed last week.



There's no way the ARLC will put teams in Adelaide and Perth within a 5 year window. An Adelaide team will rely on players who learnt their trade in the lower grades of the QRL, NSWRL, NZRL and PNGRFL. A team in Perth will be lucky to field 2 or 3 players from the WARL system over its first 5 years. That will place a huge burden on the game's heartland to prop up two new teams. The 17 NRL clubs will never agree to it.

Did you miss last month when 45k people, turned up for 4 out of town teams in perth? You dont think we’d get 30k plus at optus for our own team?

regardless of where a club comes from they will draw from the existing pool of players and jnrs from mostly nsw and qlnd for the first ten years. That’s the reality of having a sport that’s only popular in two states.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Did you miss last month when 45k people, turned up for 4 out of town teams in perth? You dont think we’d get 30k plus at optus for our own team?

That was for a rare special event. It's like saying Brisbane 3 will sell out all 12 of its home games at Lang Park because tickets for all three days at Magic Round sold like hotcakes.

I think a Perth team can generate an average of 15k committed fans provided it is successful on the field. That's a realistic figure to aim at achieving -- it's also one that some clubs in Sydney would like to pull. There's also the possibility that the club will struggle like the Force. If that happens then crowds could drop to 10k or less.

regardless of where a club comes from they will draw from the existing pool of players and jnrs from mostly nsw and qlnd for the first ten years. That’s the reality of having a sport that’s only popular in two states.

Players from Queensland and NSW will prefer to play for clubs from Brisbane and Sydney. Regional clubs from Queensland and NSW, like the Cowboys, Titans and Knights have struggled in the player market. Gilbert signed with the Dolphins because he wanted to be back in Brisbane.

Do you think it'll be any easier for a team from Perth?

The Melbourne Storm got around it because News Ltd's used their connections to axe the Crushers and Chargers. This allowed the Storm to recruit the best juniors from SEQ. We don't know how much longer they'll be able to draw talent from this region now that the Dolphins and Titans are in the NRL.

A Perth team will have to use a similar strategy to the Storm if it wishes to be successful on the field. I cannot see the Storm and a Perth-based team successfully raiding the best talent from SEQ now that we've got the Broncos, Dolphins and Titans in the region. I suspect the Storm will fall down the ladder somewhat over the next 10 years.

Brisbane has over 110 years of rugby league history that has shaped its culture. Rugby league is to Brisbane what rugby union is to New Zealanders and soccer to the English. Kids in Queenslanders grow up wanting to run onto Lang Park to play for the Queensland Maroons. I've never met a Queenslander who dreamed of playing for a team in Adelaide or Perth in front of 12k people. The people from Adelaide and Perth just don't have the same passion and historical knowledge for the game as Queenslanders and New South Welshman who've watched the game since they were at school. I can vividly remember where I was when Queensland and the Cowboys enjoyed their highs and lows. It shaped my childhood and adulthood. Money cannot buy this level of passion and devotion.

Melbourne Storm just hosted a semifinal in front of a stadium that was almost half empty. That's because the city's heart and soul is in fumbleball. Perth is no different to Melbourne. Both cities can carve out a niche supporter base for a professional rugby league club, but they'll never mean as much to their residents as their beloved AwFuL teams.

 

[mongoose]

Melbourne have one underwhelming finals turnout and some people start questioning their existence. Never mind that the game was in a bad timeslot, tickets were way overpriced and they had key players out injured...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Melbourne have one underwhelming finals turnout and some people start questioning their existence. Never mind that the game was in a bad timeslot, tickets were way overpriced and they had key players out injured...

Not the first time they've had a poor turnout for a major game. You've cooked up some terrible excuses to justify it. Arguing that the timeslot was "terrible" is insane. Friday nights in Melbourne regularly see 80k crowds assemble at the MCG to watch fumbleball. Last week we saw over 50k flock into Lang Park in the exact same time slot on a rainy night that included a thunderstorm. The problem is rugby league will always play second fiddle to fumbleball in fumbleball states. The golden run the Storm have been on since their creation cannot overturn Melbourne's preference for fumbleball.

Compare last night's lacklustre crowd to the big attendances the Cowboys drew on multiple occasions during the regular season. Some of which were held when big name players were out of action due to injury, suspension and Origin selection.

Just 19k last night turned up for the Storm.

NRL Finals as it happened: Melbourne book spot in preliminary final with 18-13 victory over the Roosters

Both sides are down on troops as a brutal campaign heads towards the pointy end. Join us for live coverage of the first of two weekend semi-finals.

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The Cowboys averaged 19,185 to their regular season games.

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2023

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

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[mongoose]

"NRL wont overtake AFL in AFL state therefor waste of time" crappy argument that doesn't take into account how presence in Melbourne serves the greater good of the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

That was for a rare special event. It's like saying Brisbane 3 will sell out all 12 of its home games at Lang Park because tickets for all three days at Magic Round sold like hotcakes.

I think a Perth team can generate an average of 15k committed fans provided it is successful on the field. That's a realistic figure to aim at achieving -- it's also one that some clubs in Sydney would like to pull. There's also the possibility that the club will struggle like the Force. If that happens then crowds could drop to 10k or less.

Finals are a rare special event for some clubs. So yes I think 30k for a finals at optus is achievable. But not if you put it on at same time as an afl eagles v dockers final in perth and charge $100 a ticket!

ive said all along a 20-25k membership and a 15-17k avg is very achievable for a well run club in perth at start up. Sure if they do a tigers it’ll drop, as does all clubs. I can’t see it being bslow a 10k avg though, support here is bigger than most on the east coast realise.

 

[Perth Red]

Not the first time they've had a poor turnout for a major game. You've cooked up some terrible excuses to justify it. Arguing that the timeslot was "terrible" is insane. Friday nights in Melbourne regularly see 80k crowds assemble at the MCG to watch fumbleball. Last week we saw over 50k flock into Lang Park in the exact same time slot on a rainy night that included a thunderstorm. The problem is rugby league will always play second fiddle to fumbleball in fumbleball states. The golden run the Storm have been on since their creation cannot overturn Melbourne's preference for fumbleball.

Compare last night's lacklustre crowd to the big attendances the Cowboys drew on multiple occasions during the regular season. Some of which were held when big name players were out of action due to injury, suspension and Origin selection.

Just 19k last night turned up for the Storm.

NRL Finals as it happened: Melbourne book spot in preliminary final with 18-13 victory over the Roosters

Both sides are down on troops as a brutal campaign heads towards the pointy end. Join us for live coverage of the first of two weekend semi-finals.

amp.smh.com.au

The Cowboys averaged 19,185 to their regular season games.

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2023

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

Storm had a membership and season aVg more than cowboys. Bit embarrassing for rugby league heartland eh?

 

[Wb1234]

In 1995, ARL expanded to 4 teams Perth, Townsville, Auckland and Brisbane2, its heavily stripped the competition of the player pool,
Expanding to Perth and Adelaide will not yeild local players to be able expand further, and the quality of competition between teams will suffer as did the likes of crushers, cowboys and reds.. Auckland had no such issues as they were boosted by both their own juniors and players from the market, and they narrowly missed the finals in thier first year due to a suspension of 2 points for some minor interchange infringement early in the season, which cost them a finals berth... if we are Expanding at a rapid rate, it needs to be to places that are choc ful of players, or a local competition, that are competitive or it will drain the player pool

Png
Nz2
Brisbane 3

that provides the money and players for the wasteland states

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

"NRL wont overtake AFL in AFL state therefor waste of time" crappy argument that doesn't take into account how presence in Melbourne serves the greater good of the NRL.

I'm not against expansion per se.

I'm against the argument that we must limit Brisbane to just two teams so we can expand into Adelaide and Perth.

The fact remains that three teams from Brisbane will provide more monetary value to the NRL than teams from Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

Facts over feelings.

50k tickets sold at Lang Park last week.

19k tickets sold at MRS last night.

That's a difference of 31k.

Another 50k tickets to be sold at Lang Park next week.

Mt Smart looks great with a vocal sell out crowd.

ARLC keeps all proceedings from game day during the finals. Brisbane and Auckland providing great monetary value towards the ARLC. A strong case for Brisbane 3 and NZ2 as the next team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Storm had a membership and season aVg more than cowboys. Bit embarrassing for rugby league heartland eh?

Melbourne's season average was inflated by hosting a "home" match against the Rabbitohs at Lang Park during Magic Round.

Melbourne's average at Melbourne Rectangular Stadium was 17,072. They played two at Docklands for an average of 23,629. All up, Melbourne Storm averaged 18,263 in Melbourne from 11 games.

The Cowboys played all 12 home games in Townsville at an average of 19,175.

Townsville (178,860) is just 3.66% the size of Melbourne (4,875,400).

Storm are doing well for a team from a fumbleball state. Doesn't change the fact they've had a golden run since 1998 while the Cowboys have struggled on field for much of their history. It hasn't stopped the Cowboys from drawing bigger and better attendances than the Storm. I'm interested in seeing how much the Storm's average drops whem they go through a 5 or 10 year lean patch.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Finals are a rare special event for some clubs. So yes I think 30k for a finals at optus is achievable. But not if you put it on at same time as an afl eagles v dockers final in perth and charge $100 a ticket!

ive said all along a 20-25k membership and a 15-17k avg is very achievable for a well run club in perth at start up. Sure if they do a tigers it’ll drop, as does all clubs. I can’t see it being bslow a 10k avg though, support here is bigger than most on the east coast realise.

I think that's a fair and reasonable expectation for a Perth-based team. I hope Perth does get a team. It will be great for Perth and the game.

What pisses me off about Melbourne is it contributes the least to rugby league out of Australia's four largest cities yet it's been given every advantage under the sun, to the detriment of Perth.

Perth has been the main victim of the favouritism shown towards the Storm. The Reds were punted so the Storm could have their spot.

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm not against expansion per se.

I'm against the argument that we must limit Brisbane to just two teams so we can expand into Adelaide and Perth.

"I'm not against expanding the Telstra Premiership. I'm just against expanding the sport to new markets and think the NRL should exist as a glorified merger of the NSWRL and BRL."

"The law of diminishing returns? Never heard of the f**ker!"

 

[blukablu]

The constant Melbourne bashing is boring, they've done pretty well for themselves despite very little help from the NRL/ARLC.

The Lion and Swans have been in their respective markets for 10 and 15 years longer than the Storm. There's no reason why the Storm couldn't be just as popular if not more despite all the resources the AFL have poured into those 2 clubs.

 

[Brian potter]

Wont happen, if the club were to revert to magpies, the club would be torn apart, better to just disolve, besides nothing will happen, the worst that happens is the keep racking up spoons, success is cyclical, they wont be down there for much longer, the knights went thru 3 wooden spoons to eventually climb the ladder, its just the nature of the salary cap

Why would the magpies be torn apart?

which part of the joint venture has the large debt and which part has the league clubs?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

"I'm not against expanding the Telstra Premiership. I'm just against expanding the sport to new markets and think the NRL should exist as a glorified merger of the NSWRL and BRL."

"The law of diminishing returns? Never heard of the f**ker!"

Now you're talking about things you don't understand.

The bulk of the game's revenue is generated by rugby league fans in Brisbane and Sydney. The only rugby league event that captures the country's attention is the annual Queensland vs NSW series.

No one could give a f**k about watching Canberra Raiders vs Melbourne Storm.

Melbourne Storm just hosted a final in front of thousands of empty seats. A week earlier we had a packed out crowd at Lang Park on a stormy and rainy night.

Which game do you think generated more revenue from gate takings?

The one that had 50k fans at Lang Park, braving the rain and a thunderstorm?

Or the one in Melbourne that had just 19k fans?

Dolphins averaged more to their games than the Storm and generate more from sponsorship, BTW.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The constant Melbourne bashing is boring, they've done pretty well for themselves despite very little help from the NRL/ARLC.

The Lion and Swans have been in their respective markets for 10 and 15 years longer than the Storm. There's no reason why the Storm couldn't be just as popular if not more despite all the resources the AFL have poured into those 2 clubs.

News Ltd poured about $70m into the Storm during the time they owned the club. The ARLC poured another $28m in between 2012 and 2018.

To argue they've been given "very little help" is just plain wrong. The Reds and Mariners were sacrificed so the Storm could assemble a competitive roster when they joined the NRL. The Chargers and Crushers were punted in the late 1990s. This left a huge void in SEQ that led to the Storm developing a strong fanbase in the region.

 

[Perth Red]

Melbourne's season average was inflated by hosting a "home" match against the Rabbitohs at Lang Park during Magic Round.

Melbourne's average at Melbourne Rectangular Stadium was 17,072. They played two at Docklands for an average of 23,629. All up, Melbourne Storm averaged 18,263 in Melbourne from 11 games.

The Cowboys played all 12 home games in Townsville at an average of 19,175.

Townsville (178,860) is just 3.66% the size of Melbourne (4,875,400).

Storm are doing well for a team from a fumbleball state. Doesn't change the fact they've had a golden run since 1998 while the Cowboys have struggled on field for much of their history. It hasn't stopped the the Cowboys from drawing bigger and better attendances than the Storm. I'm interested in seeing how much the Storm's average drops whem they go through a 5 or 10 year lean patch.

Only 900 more in rugby league heartland? pathetic, lift your game nq!

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins averaged more to their games than the Storm and generate more from sponsorship, BTW.

given neither club has produced financial reports you can’t possibly know this. Dolphins benefitted enormously from fans of other clubs attending their home games at Suncorp, a benefit Storm don’t have. not to mention as ARL heartland club they bloody well,should have bigger crowds!