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Dylan Brown - charged sexual touching

Poupou Escobar

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Likewise, if I leave the house dressed like I am cruising for gay men, my wife is entitled to tell me if she has a problem with it. Don't think of it as 'asking permission', which wasn't the original phrasing that triggered you. T-Boon spoke of allowing such behaviour from their spouse, and my wife would be entitled to let me know if my choice of clothing was going to humiliate her or erode her trust in me.
 
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Obviously. Just like equating sexually touching someone without consent to causing them physical harm. These are all acts along a continuum of unwanted behaviour. Why not compare them? Is Dylan Brown's crime worse than punching someone in the head? Is it worse than telling them you're going to kill them?
So you are equating sexual touching without consent to looking at someone... lol.

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Pneuma

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You're new here and are most welcome as I've seen your work in other parts of the forum.
You'll soon learn what Pou is about.
I’m already over it. Only joined this discussion as I thought it was on the main nrl site in relation to Brown. I’ll discreetly withdraw. Good luck to the Eels for the rest of the year. One of the sides I really enjoy watching .
 
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If a couple are living the swingers lifestyle, surely they should both consent to it? Otherwise it's not 'ethical non-monogamy', it's just non-monogamy.
There's a difference between swinging and ethical non-monogamy, but yes they both involve mutual consent.
Marriage is about belonging to each other. Otherwise you might as well just be roommates.
In your opinion. And depends on a mutually shared definition of "belonging", without power imbalances at play.

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It's just about setting boundaries. You don't always know what behaviour your spouse is comfortable with, but they should be able to tell you. They're human beings ffs. They have feelings too.
That "setting boundaries" and "able to tell you" very different from needing to give a spouse permission for what they want to wear... which is from where this discussion sprouted.
 
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Likewise, if I leave the house dressed like I am cruising for gay men, my wife is entitled to tell me if she has a problem with it. Don't think of it as 'asking permission', which wasn't the original phrasing that triggered you. T-Boon spoke of allowing such behaviour from their spouse, and my wife would be entitled to let me know if my choice of clothing was going to humiliate her or erode her trust in me.
"Allowing" such behaviour from a spouse reeks of permission, rather than simply letting someone know their feelings about something.

But either you know that and are being contrary - or you do actually have a blind spot in comprehension...
 
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Well, the thread technically started with Dylan sexually touching a woman in a bar without consent... and it's gone everywhere around that and related issues since.
 
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Looking at them without their consent, yes. Isn't the issue here about consent? If they consent then sexual touching isn't the problem ffs
Looking at someone without their consent isn't even a crime, ffs.

The issue seems to be about sexual touching, and people here implying that a woman's clothing is somehow an issue in that.
 

Poupou Escobar

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In your opinion.
Well why should anyone else's opinion matter in my marriage? It's between me and my wife. Not really @Pneuma's place to decide what is and isn't acceptable in another person's marriage.
And depends on a mutually shared definition of "belonging", without power imbalances at play.
Power imbalances are part of any relationship. If you don't like it you're free to end the relationship.
 

IFR33K

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This is a discussion thread about sexual assault. It’s obviously a topic you don’t take seriously so you should move on I think.

Yeah what remarks have I made mocking the seriousness of the sexual assault?


I find it odd that you’d comment if a man had a say in what his wife would wear. What’s it anyone’s business what a man says to his wife? Why don’t you run along merkin?
 

Poupou Escobar

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That "setting boundaries" and "able to tell you" very different from needing to give a spouse permission for what they want to wear... which is from where this discussion sprouted.
There is no difference. My employer can't actually stop me from taking the day off if I feel like it, but they can sack me, so I ask permission.
 

Poupou Escobar

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"Allowing" such behaviour from a spouse reeks of permission
It's no different to any relationship. If your friends behave in ways you won't tolerate then they aren't really your friends. I suppose the difference is you can shitcan your friends without them knowing. Your spouse is probably entitled to a warning.
, rather than simply letting someone know their feelings about something.
Well this is that warning I was talking about, but really, it is not functionally different to giving them permission. Even the state generally can't stop you committing crimes. They can just punish you afterwards.
But either you know that and are being contrary - or you do actually have a blind spot in comprehension...
I'm not being contrary mate, I just disagree with you. Good luck with your progressive ideas on marriage, but for me I'd rather not be married to someone who violates my entirely arbitrary boundaries. And if she found those boundaries unreasonable I'm sure she wouldn't want to be married to me either. Where we are unsure where those boundaries are (in my marriage it's either about financial decisions or choices around the kids) we ask permission. It's human decency ffs. But if she assumed I was cool with something when I wasn't I'd tell her. Then it would be up to her whether she went ahead with it. If it makes you uncomfortable I suggest you stop worrying about other people's marriages.
 

parra pete

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lol, that's one way to describe what you do... ;)
A missionary, in Africa, was out taking a walk in the jungle. Suddenly, he heard a noise from the brush in front of him. It was a lion. He started to back up and heard a noise from behind. Sure enough, it was another lion. He looked to his left and then to his right. You guessed it, lions were on both sides. It looked grim, so the missionary sat down where he was and started to read his Bible. Shortly after he started reading, the lions jumped the missionary and ate him.

Moral of the story: Never read between the lions.
 

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