FIFA 2022 WORLD CUP - NRL Support

[Bumble]

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=84/results/matches/match=3096/report.html

Another lie. Yawn.

 

[Bumble]

Plus, that means they'd have had two world cups in the space of 28 years. that's a joke in itself.

 

[BuffaloRules]

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=84/results/matches/match=3096/report.html

Another lie. Yawn.

:lol:

Yes.. the City of New York is lying and your telling the truth....

 

[Bumble]

I'm pretty sure I was replying to your comment that "every ticket at every game at Giants Stadium was bought by somebody"

But if the capacity of that stadium was just over 75,000 and the official attendance of that game I linked was quoted from FIFA as being 72,000 - that would suggest you were just talking more bollocks?

Explain that to me please...

 

[BuffaloRules]

Umm,...have you thought that people bought tickets and didnt show up??

Corporates maybe?

Tough to get your head around that isnt it...

 

[BuffaloRules]

Anyway.. I assume that your backing away from your claim that "not a single game was sold out"?

 

[Bumble]

Wow. ONE in New York. And a couple in Stanford.

Still doesn't explain why the final wasn't sold out, does it?

 

[krudmonk]

And more than 78,000 packed that same stadium a few years ago to see a 0-0 exhibition in the rain. Says a lot more than '94.

 

[BuffaloRules]

What about at the Pontiac Silverdome as well?

Im not convinced that the final didnt sell out....

Again - tickets could have been allocated to sponsors/corporates and they didnt show...

Los Angeles has a big Latin American population who Im sure would have attended if they had the chance..

 

[houdini1]

How does NOT having the World Cup be detrimental to the NRL???? The way I see it is that:

1. The World Cup will give NRL clubs improved and modern facilities to improve corporate sponsorship and crowd numbers
2. The World Cup can be used by the NRL to improve its own popularity around the world
3. The NRL can learn some lessons from FIFA and other World Football authorities on how overseas leagues are run
4. The NRL can get into bed with the A-League and promote cross-code deals for games, marketing, sponsorship etc.

The only problem I see with our World Cup bid is the time zone we are in. Although we are in the Asian market which is growing all the time, the TV revenue dollars are generated out of Europe and the Americas. That is our only weak point as far as I can see.

To all you blind NRL-only supporters, wake up and get away from your single-minded narrow focus on the threat of NRL. The World Cup will always be a bigger carrot than any NRL game or event, and thus should be treated with open arms rather than the "head-in-the-sand approach" the NRL and its supporters often take with things like this. It's this attitude which prevents the NRL being what it could be.

This is a marketplace, if the A-League have grand ambitions of being the Number 1 code in Australia, then good luck to them. If they get that far, then the other codes must look at their own backyard and ask "what can we do better?" its like any industry in Australia and around the world.

Just look at the big picture.

And this from a 30 year fan of NRL.

 

[Bumble]

What about at the Pontiac Silverdome as well?

Im not convinced that the final didnt sell out....

Again - tickets could have been allocated to sponsors/corporates and they didnt show...

Los Angeles has a big Latin American population who Im sure would have attended if they had the chance..

Perhaps. It does seem wierd...

How does NOT having the World Cup be detrimental to the NRL???? The way I see it is that:

1. The World Cup will give NRL clubs improved and modern facilities to improve corporate sponsorship and crowd numbers
2. The World Cup can be used by the NRL to improve its own popularity around the world
3. The NRL can learn some lessons from FIFA and other World Football authorities on how overseas leagues are run
4. The NRL can get into bed with the A-League and promote cross-code deals for games, marketing, sponsorship etc.

The only problem I see with our World Cup bid is the time zone we are in. Although we are in the Asian market which is growing all the time, the TV revenue dollars are generated out of Europe and the Americas. That is our only weak point as far as I can see.

To all you blind NRL-only supporters, wake up and get away from your single-minded narrow focus on the threat of NRL. The World Cup will always be a bigger carrot than any NRL game or event, and thus should be treated with open arms rather than the "head-in-the-sand approach" the NRL and its supporters often take with things like this. It's this attitude which prevents the NRL being what it could be.

This is a marketplace, if the A-League have grand ambitions of being the Number 1 code in Australia, then good luck to them. If they get that far, then the other codes must look at their own backyard and ask "what can we do better?" its like any industry in Australia and around the world.

Just look at the big picture.

And this from a 30 year fan of NRL.

Great post. I assume the people that are against the World Cup being in Australia are the same people that rate us winning a boat race or a f**king horse winning three years in a row when discussing Australia's greatest sporting moments.

If we got the world cup if would be better for EVERYONE. More money, better stadiums, an increased interest in sport in general etc etc

Plus, the month long party would be f**king awesome.

 

[Lambretta]

I thought one of the main reasons for the A-League running during our off-season was to avoid conflict because they knew they would lose.

If the A-League became as large as the NRL or AFL, do you think they would expand or shift their season?

They wouldn't be able to do this unless the quality of the A-League improved out of sight. As it is the A-League is a pleasant distraction, an alternative to cricket, but the A-League can't compete because the quality isn't there.

The NRL and AFL are, in their respective sports, the highest quality products that each sport offers Worldwide. As such the quality is fairly consistant across a season and the games offer enough to keep the average supporter interested.

A-League in comparison to Seria A or the Premier League is a poor competition. It would need a massive increase in both funding and the quality of players in the comp to maintain the interest of the passing fan.

As such, the A-League needs to maintain the "fall back position" to survive as it can't compete with either winter code here in Australia. If it tried to do so, it would lose.

 

[chefman21]

If we got the world cup if would be better for EVERYONE. More money, better stadiums, an increased interest in sport in general etc etc

Plus, the month long party would be f**king awesome.

Totally agree. We probably should have made this thread a poll. After my big spill about how important the World Cup is to Australia I would obviously be voting yes for supporting it from an NRL perspective.

Just on your last point... I wonder if didgeridoo's are the new vuvuzela's?

 

[Lambretta]

I was reading this thread with interest - especially the comments on the rail network in New South Wales.

I'm personally not a fan of long distance high speed trains, as the distances in Australia are too great and the patronage would be too small. People prefer to fly as it's quick and cheap. In the long term, it may not remain cheap but that's another story.

Investment in infastructure should also take into account the return or the value that the infastructure provides.

Currently Sydney is quite well laid out, with small business centres dotted throughout the greater Sydney area that the vast majority of the population have access to. The CBD, Parramatta, Hornsby, Campelltown, Liverpool, The Inner West, Bondi and The Shire are the main ones. Most people can make a commute into one of these centres within 30 minutes.

Where Sydney struggles is that we are hamstrung with the lack of ability to move beyond our closest business centre within that 30 minute timeframe.

Humans are funny beings. 30 - 40 minutes is about the maximum amount of time the vast majority will consider travelling, either for commuting or recreational purposes. Beyond that is considered "too far"

You only have to look at games between teams such as Cronulla and Penrith or the Sea Eagles and Penrith or Roosters and Tigers at Campbelltown to see that the away teams fans wont travel in great numbers - even for Finals games. OK, so those might be smaller teams, but how many Dragons fans would travel from say the Illawarra to Penrith for a evening game knowing that they'll get home 3 hours after the game finishes if they go by Public Transport? Penrith fans wouldnt travel to Sydney for a Finals game last season as it was a night game and the 60k's home takes too long to cover.

The CBS should be no further away by train than Campbelltown the Illawarra, Penrith or the Central Coast than 60 minutes. Penrith should be 45 minutes TOPS. This isn't pie in the sky "oh we need a magical magnetic train that hasnt been invented yet" to achieve. This should be achieveable with normal trains that can travel up to 100 kmph.

The Central Coast is 90k's away from Sydney. Covering that distance in the UK on normal trains takes approx 450 minutes. How? Well they have trains that go up to 160kmph.

What's the secret? Trains that don't have to stop 30 times and that don't have to travel behind other trains that stop 30 times. A train from Sydney to Gosford should stop at 3 or 4 stops and have nothing inbetween it. All you need is a slow line and a fast line in the same direction. But until we invest in Sydney we'll be hamstrung by our infastructure and we wont grow as a City.

Imagine a World where any Sydney team playing any Sydney team is considered a LOCAL Derby - not a bleedin interstate trip. That's what better infastructure means to us.

 

[chefman21]

I was reading this thread with interest - especially the comments on the rail network in New South Wales.

I'm personally not a fan of long distance high speed trains, as the distances in Australia are too great and the patronage would be too small. People prefer to fly as it's quick and cheap. In the long term, it may not remain cheap but that's another story.

Investment in infastructure should also take into account the return or the value that the infastructure provides.

Currently Sydney is quite well laid out, with small business centres dotted throughout the greater Sydney area that the vast majority of the population have access to. The CBD, Parramatta, Hornsby, Campelltown, Liverpool, The Inner West, Bondi and The Shire are the main ones. Most people can make a commute into one of these centres within 30 minutes.

Where Sydney struggles is that we are hamstrung with the lack of ability to move beyond our closest business centre within that 30 minute timeframe.

Humans are funny beings. 30 - 40 minutes is about the maximum amount of time the vast majority will consider travelling, either for commuting or recreational purposes. Beyond that is considered "too far"

You only have to look at games between teams such as Cronulla and Penrith or the Sea Eagles and Penrith or Roosters and Tigers at Campbelltown to see that the away teams fans wont travel in great numbers - even for Finals games. OK, so those might be smaller teams, but how many Dragons fans would travel from say the Illawarra to Penrith for a evening game knowing that they'll get home 3 hours after the game finishes if they go by Public Transport? Penrith fans wouldnt travel to Sydney for a Finals game last season as it was a night game and the 60k's home takes too long to cover.

The CBS should be no further away by train than Campbelltown the Illawarra, Penrith or the Central Coast than 60 minutes. Penrith should be 45 minutes TOPS. This isn't pie in the sky "oh we need a magical magnetic train that hasnt been invented yet" to achieve. This should be achieveable with normal trains that can travel up to 100 kmph.

The Central Coast is 90k's away from Sydney. Covering that distance in the UK on normal trains takes approx 450 minutes. How? Well they have trains that go up to 160kmph.

What's the secret? Trains that don't have to stop 30 times and that don't have to travel behind other trains that stop 30 times. A train from Sydney to Gosford should stop at 3 or 4 stops and have nothing inbetween it. All you need is a slow line and a fast line in the same direction. But until we invest in Sydney we'll be hamstrung by our infastructure and we wont grow as a City.

Imagine a World where any Sydney team playing any Sydney team is considered a LOCAL Derby - not a bleedin interstate trip. That's what better infastructure means to us.

I do agree with your points about too many stops which ruins any form of timeliness that could be. We really need to sort that out. At the moment we have not enough trains trying to cover too many stops, and not enough buses doing the same. Then there are areas that aren't even covered by trains which should be. That's a big concern for hosting a World Cup. Then you look at Brisbane whose entire transport system is horrible. Trains are useless and there is a reliance on buses. They could really do with a major upgrade to the entire system. Starting with a proper light rail/tram system. The benefit to rugby league and major cities in general is enormous. A second, third and eventually fourth Brisbane team based on population growth needs these sorts of systems. Expansion as a city to support population growth in Brisbane/Sydney/Melbourne etc requires this kind of infrastructure, which a World Cup bid can help provide. Big picture for Australia, expansion and sustainability requires infrastructure and over the next 20 years it should be our biggest spend.

One benefit with a high speed rail network is that it reduces the time required for travel into a regional centre as compared to a car. Flying into regional centres is often hideously expensive, which a high speed rail system covers. It's much cheaper than flying. A car takes far too long, so people avoid those areas apart from long holidays. If you can get cars off the road and open up regional centres, you go a long way to reducing congestion in big cities.

A high speed rail system should cover major regional centres only, not tiny little villages - at least initially. In 50 years these villages might have grown to require expansion anyway based on exponential growth. An example from Brisbane to Sydney could be Central - Strathfield - Hornsby - Gosford - Newcastle - Forster - Taree - Port Macquarie - Kempsey - Nambucca Heads - Coffs Harbour - Grafton - Casino - Ballina - Byron Bay - Tweed Heads - Gold Coast - Brisbane. That covers most of the trip up to Brisbane. When you open up areas such as those, it allows for people to work in some of the larger cities easily and cheaply. For example, out of work people in Casino can catch the high speed train to Grafton or someone living in Forster or Port Macquarie can work in Sydney or Newcastle. A train travelling at 250km/h+ makes that possible by reducing that tyranny of distance.

I'm not saying that we need to build it now, as population size makes it not viable. However, if we do upgrade rail systems, then we should be looking at installing the basic facilities that are so important for it and reduce costs. What's good though is that more and more countries are installing high speed rail, which has the effect of reducing costs. Based on economies of scale, it should be a very cheap (relatively) option in 10 years time. Especially considering the size of the Chinese development and it's peers. But what we need to be doing now is look at future proofing the system, such as buying land and installing power systems that are required.

Personally I'm really surprised about the debate regarding supporting a World Cup bid. World Cup bids are almost always about infrastructure, and if the code and country wants to expand and reach it's potential we should be rallying behind it. Forget the rivalries between codes. They don't matter. What matters is providing the ability to support population growth and code expansion. The World Cup bid is just a great excuse. Add that to the increased revenue and exposure Australia receives before, during and after the World Cup and I really can't see a problem.

 

[Loudstrat]

So you want to base your comments on a lack of information? Okay. Sounds like the Australian public at an election.

Private-public partnerships are increasingly common and bring benefits to both companies.


It won't. But it helps Australia enormously. f**k the NRL for the moment. Think of the country as a whole.

This is an NRL forum - and you say "F*ck the NRL*. How about you stick to topic and not try and make this a town planners forum. I do not really care about rail infrastructure when I am talking footy.

Soccer won't allow it? Australia is a free country and if the NRL is willing to fork out the dollars then there is no law saying they can't advertise.

OK. Advertise were? In Australia where it already does? Or to Italy, Brazil and Uraguay where it's advertising $ will have zero impact ?

bullsh*t.

Nice argument. I take it I win that point?

Good. Bring more of it on. Just because News Limited screwed up doesn't mean others will.

:lol::lol:

No. You advertise the game not the games.

Again, where? Also, you do realise the NRL has nothing to do with spreading the game overseas, do you?

You don't think or can't see any benefits for running NRL games in regional Australia?


Regional Australia is just as important to rugby league as the city. Stop being such a narrow minded twat. It will be a massive thing for regional rugby league to see half a dozen NRL games live and at the stadium. You will sell out the stadiums.

I live in regional Australia, and playing to a pack out 4k stadium while giving up a 20k seater to a foreign sport is pointless. Up here League is a sh*tload ahead of any other sport in terms of promotion. If the regions were so important, ffs play trials here!

If the NRL invests in the bid they definitely will. They get ownership of a stadium or whatever, and the government has to pay them dividends. And even if they don't invest in the bid, with more money available to spend for the Government it means they have more money to spend on the country. Rugby league won't be the first thing that sees spending, nor should it be. Health, education, infrastructure and the like are far more important than a bunch of blokes kicking a ball around. But if they have more revenue to spend on these things, later they won't need to spend as much on them and then we start to see benefits.

With what money? The NRL does not need a foreign interest sport to drum up demand, and I fail completely to see how advertising in f*cking Uraguay will help the NRL!!!!

 

[chefman21]

This is an NRL forum - and you say "F*ck the NRL*. How about you stick to topic and not try and make this a town planners forum. I do not really care about rail infrastructure when I am talking footy.

All infrastructure not just rail effects how this code expands. I've stuck to the topic. But what I've done is expand it to look at more aspects that directly effects the code and country. Not just think of intercode rivalries and rugby league. That's only one aspect. I really don't care that the thread has expanded into discussing infrastructure in detail. The best decisions are made with the most information.

OK. Advertise were? In Australia where it already does? Or to Italy, Brazil and Uraguay where it's advertising $ will have zero impact ?

Zero impact? How do you figure that?

Nice argument. I take it I win that point?

No. It was a stupid statement by you so I gave a stupid answer. There was plenty of stuff that was exposed such as the lifestyle, the local environment and the like. And not just on television. The people who came got to see what makes South Africa, Japan, the US etc tick.

:lol::lol:

You don't think foreign investment can be beneficial? No wonder the code can't expand.

Again, where? Also, you do realise the NRL has nothing to do with spreading the game overseas, do you?

Wherever you can. And yes I do realise the NRL has very little to do with spreading the game overseas. However, it is our premier competition and is the competition that people invest in, so by association it is the one that has much of the say in whether the game get's advertised or not. A business has a duty of care to itself and stakeholders to be looking for new revenue streams.

I live in regional Australia, and playing to a pack out 4k stadium while giving up a 20k seater to a foreign sport is pointless. Up here League is a sh*tload ahead of any other sport in terms of promotion. If the regions were so important, ffs play trials here!

How is it pointless? Regional cities get to see competitive NRL football. That's a positive move by the NRL. It has so many benefits. Clubs can set up memberships purely for that period, it consolidates rugby league's position in regional Australia while the World Cup is on, local kids get to see and meet the heroes they worship, merchandising goes up in the area etc etc. Bush footy has a whinge every now and then that they get forgotten. Sending NRL games to the bush is a good way to limit some of that perception. In fact, it should be a regular occurrence every season. One full round should be played by NRL clubs in the bush every season.

[/QUOTE]
With what money? The NRL does not need a foreign interest sport to drum up demand, and I fail completely to see how advertising in f*cking Uraguay will help the NRL!!!![/QUOTE]
Are you really so naive?

 

[Loudstrat]

All infrastructure not just rail effects how this code expands. I've stuck to the topic. But what I've done is expand it to look at more aspects that directly effects the code and country. Not just think of intercode rivalries and rugby league. That's only one aspect. I really don't care that the thread has expanded into discussing infrastructure in detail. The best decisions are made with the most information.

Whose making a decision on this forum? Look, go and yack about rail a you like, just don't bag someone who is not going to spend their leisure time reading long winded govt documents on a topic that is not related to footy.

Zero impact? How do you figure that?

Well, just a hunch, but I doubt that many Uraguay residents will hop on the two flights and hell out about 5k to see Souffs v Titans.

No. It was a stupid statement by you so I gave a stupid answer. There was plenty of stuff that was exposed such as the lifestyle, the local environment and the like. And not just on television. The people who came got to see what makes South Africa, Japan, the US etc tick.

The people who come wont be interested in the competition. Besides, even if they were, you want to ship games to regional centres. How many Soccer ans went to SA and then travelled 300kms + to a small town to check out Yawnion?

You don't think foreign investment can be beneficial? No wonder the code can't expand.

Foreign investment can be beneficial, but the codes expansion will not live or die because of it. Far better to have local investment in the NRL anyway, because it's local.

Wherever you can. And yes I do realise the NRL has very little to do with spreading the game overseas. However, it is our premier competition and is the competition that people invest in, so by association it is the one that has much of the say in whether the game get's advertised or not. A business has a duty of care to itself and stakeholders to be looking for new revenue streams.

And how does the f*cking Soccer world cup help that? You reckon fans are going to catch planes over from Uraguay to watch NRL games :lol:

How is it pointless? Regional cities get to see competitive NRL football. That's a positive move by the NRL. It has so many benefits. Clubs can set up memberships purely for that period, it consolidates rugby league's position in regional Australia while the World Cup is on, local kids get to see and meet the heroes they worship, merchandising goes up in the area etc

You have no idea of Regional Australia do you. We get to see plenty of NRL - on TV. We also get the odd trial too. Memberships - :lol: how would that work for a month? The tiny regional stadia would be sold out anyway. League gets more exposure up here than in parts of Sydney Anyway. Besides, it would only detract from local comps as the fans $ and time doesn't stretch too far, and with an NRL clubs home game in town, who would go to the local first grade? Yes, a one off game would be ok, but a month?

etc. Bush footy has a whinge every now and then that they get forgotten. Sending NRL games to the bush is a good way to limit some of that perception. In fact, it should be a regular occurrence every season. One full round should be played by NRL clubs in the bush every season.

And who is going to cover the lost revenue? Smaller stadiums? Lighting (the cost of which killed the Panasonic Cup - It would cost about $500k per game minimum for lighting. Then there are video screens, not to mention acommodation costs.......

Are you really so naive?

Maybe. So tell me, how will advertising in Uraguay help the NRL?

 

[Springs]

Bush footy has a whinge every now and then that they get forgotten. Sending NRL games to the bush is a good way to limit some of that perception. In fact, it should be a regular occurrence every season. One full round should be played by NRL clubs in the bush every season.

Yeah...
You see we don't complain that we get forgotten because we don't get any NRL games. We complain because they let our 80 year old competitions die and our home clubs fold. Sending NRL games to the country isn't helping country football, it's helping the NRL get out of a pickle.

 

[chefman21]

Whose making a decision on this forum? Look, go and yack about rail a you like, just don't bag someone who is not going to spend their leisure time reading long winded govt documents on a topic that is not related to footy.

The documents aren't long winded. They are quite interesting actually. And they are related to football. Infrastructure relates to football. The entire World Cup bid is related to football. It's almost always about infrastructure to get a bid accepted. Which is why those documents that you think aren't related to football do in fact relate to football. They spell out almost all of the key infrastructure projects this country has to undertake in the near future. Some of those are needed to host a World Cup and to allow sustainable population growth. If you had any idea about the city (or any idea at all), you would realise infrastructure in cities allows cities to grow and hence allows support of new football clubs. Same with tiny little villages. It's a pretty logical process. Are you so naive to think that none of this relates to football? It's really not a difficult topic.

Well, just a hunch, but I doubt that many Uraguay residents will hop on the two flights and hell out about 5k to see Souffs v Titans.

No one ever said they would. But they may just set up a small competition or entice a rich foreign investor to spend.

The people who come wont be interested in the competition. Besides, even if they were, you want to ship games to regional centres. How many Soccer ans went to SA and then travelled 300kms + to a small town to check out Yawnion?

Yeah right. People embrace new cultures when big events are held. That's a fact and one of the major reasons why big events are continually held.

Foreign investment can be beneficial, but the codes expansion will not live or die because of it. Far better to have local investment in the NRL anyway, because it's local.

Hmmm... Far better to invest only locally?:lol:

And how does the f*cking Soccer world cup help that? You reckon fans are going to catch planes over from Uraguay to watch NRL games :lol:

By trying to entice foreign investors to invest and by trying to get a small local competition set up overseas. You've got to start somewhere. The World Cup can be used to further this codes ambitions. As opposed to you who seems to have no ambitions for the code.

You have no idea of Regional Australia do you. We get to see plenty of NRL - on TV. We also get the odd trial too. Memberships - :lol: how would that work for a month? The tiny regional stadia would be sold out anyway. League gets more exposure up here than in parts of Sydney Anyway. Besides, it would only detract from local comps as the fans $ and time doesn't stretch too far, and with an NRL clubs home game in town, who would go to the local first grade? Yes, a one off game would be ok, but a month?And who is going to cover the lost revenue? Smaller stadiums? Lighting (the cost of which killed the Panasonic Cup - It would cost about $500k per game minimum for lighting. Then there are video screens, not to mention acommodation costs.......

You have no idea full stop. You want to talk about World Cup bids yet you don't have the full amount of information. You can't even read a basic government report and see how it links to a World Cup bid. And yes I do know about regional Australia. I lived in Port Macquarie for 7 years.

Maybe. So tell me, how will advertising in Uraguay help the NRL?

See above.

Yeah...
You see we don't complain that we get forgotten because we don't get any NRL games. We complain because they let our 80 year old competitions die and our home clubs fold. Sending NRL games to the country isn't helping country football, it's helping the NRL get out of a pickle.

You complain about multiple things. Sending NRL games to regional Australia isn't about helping the NRL get out of a pickle. It's about helping the code grow and consolidate it's position against rival codes. Besides, the NRL doesn't handle country football. The ARL does.