Future NRL Stadiums

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

What the f**k do they need this multi-sport venue for??

The SCG and this new stadium will be able to cater for all major footy codes and cricket.

I would guess it is an Entertainment Centre....

The sports being Basketball, volleyball, netball, etc.

 

[Timbo]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was also an attempt to lure things like music festivals back to Moore Park and away from Homebush. They occasionally need two arenas, and during the summer you can't do that at the SCG because of the cricket pitch.

But yeah, I reckon it'll probably be an indoor arena to replace the entertainment centre. Having said that it'll have to be done on the ultra-cheap. Perth Arena which was finished in 2012 is a 15,000 seat indoor arena and it cost $500 million. Also, there is a 8,000 odd seat concert venue being built in the new convention centre precinct. So I'm still not really sure what this is.

 

[Von Neumann]

I don't think we'd need to change either of those stadiums to suit Sydney's needs at all.
A city our size SHOULD have a San Siro, or Millenium or even a Bernabau.

The reason why we have a f**ked stadium policy now is because previous state govt's pandered to the AFL, and therefore, ANZ wasn't reconfigured properly after the Olympics.

This is our one chance to get a f**king decent rectangular stadium in this city, and a back up decent 35000 seater.
The AFL, who WILL NEVER have a major sporting occupation in Sydney, already have all they need - the SCG and Spotless. Cricket needs nothing more than the SCG.
Therefore, we have all the round field sports catered for. It's time we looked after number's 1, 2 and 3. League, Football and Union.

Suity

I think the same thing. Can't believe rectangular sport's were shafted

In my mind I have an idea for a smaller Superdome without the dome. Maybe a roof though. 65k it could be versus 76k. It would be a lot like millennium in that its floor plan is a rectangle. But I think you'd need a Superdome stand setup in the smaller venue to make the best use of space. It over hangs very well. Could be wrong on that

That stadium that dd likes and I do like but with a more complete enclosed design already exists as an example in rectangular shape. Allianz in Germany.

I'd love a Santiago Bernabou but it's probably too big for the scope they're after.

I'm told the Superdome in Louisiana, it's stands and similar are not prohibitively expensive when you subtract the whole dome's requirements from it but the original design in the 70s did not allow for copious amounts of suites and boxes for corps... Which is why I suspect apart from the tech angle that the new San Fran design incorporates very well into the expanse of seats.... Though I go on record saying it looks cheap by comparison, or less complete in its finishes and design if you like.

The only other difference is the amount of square meters you build the thing over. More space more expensive and newer stadia often take up more space, especially in America. A floorplan thing as no doubt they'll want to cram a lot in there which would be cool.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah Parra CBD is full of Cafes, Restaurants and pubs, terrible things to have near a stadium.

That doesn't help when you are putting in a light rail or parking Stations which will be needed for the expansion of the staduim.

 

[franklin2323]

Pirtek Stadium is a 25-30 minute walk from Parramatta Station. A walk that many people don't want to do especially at night and if they have kids. Parking in the area is atrocious.

If they build a 35,000 seat stadium then you need away to transport people to the ground from the station. For this light rail could be an option. Regardless of how they do it fans will have to make use of two different forms of transport. A thought that could turn a lot of fans of from attending. Like it or not some people like to or have a need to drive to the football so car parking would need to be looked at.

Giving up on ANZ Stadium in my opinion would be huge backward step for sport in Sydney. Geographically the stadium just about sits in the middle of Sydney. As a Souths season ticket holder who lives in the outer western suburbs I find it a hell of lot easier to get to ANZ for Souths home games then I would for the new stadium at Moore Park. If Souths are forced to return to that area then they are going to lose a lot of season ticket holders from the outer western suburbs.

Exactly. I doubt this has been thought about. Will be a nightmare to get in and out of when full

 

[juro]

Clover Moore denounces $800m Moore Park stadium proposal as 'greedy land grab'

May 5, 2015 - 7:12AM

Leesha McKenny

Urban Affairs Reporter

A proposal to replace public land at Moore Park with an $800 million stadium has been slammed as "fundamentally inappropriate" by the head of the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust.
Lord mayor Clover Moore – along with the state member for Sydney, Alex Greenwich – has also condemned the proposal to build a 65,000-seat stadium on public open space as "another greedy land grab" by the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust.
Former Liberal leader John Brogden is preparing a report into Sydney's stadiums for the state government, which has earmarked $600 million from the sale of the state's electricity assets for sporting venues.
It is understood Sports Minister Stuart Ayres is enthusiastic about a new rectangular stadium at Moore Park, however a spokeswoman declined to comment.


As reported by Fairfax Media last week, this proposed facility would replace public open space next to Kippax Lake, an area bounded by Moore Park Road, Anzac Parade and Driver Avenue that is owned by the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust.
The trust's chairman, Tony Ryan, said the proposal was "fundamentally inappropriate for Moore Park" because it would lead to the loss of green space, impact on heritage and due to the area's existing traffic gridlock.
"It is ironic to note that in the lead-up to the 150-year anniversary celebrations of Moore Park as a place for the public, we are instead talking about building over it for permanent private and commercial use," Mr Ryan said
"Moore Park, which is part of Centennial Parklands, is set amongst the highest density population zones in Sydney, with large-scale population growth projected in surrounding suburbs over the next 20 years.
"This is not the time to be reducing public open space, but enhancing it."
A recent City of Sydney report highlighted the acute need for active green space in the inner city, which are facing increased strain because of the area's growing population.
The council report said there could be a shortfall of 28 sporting fields by 2031, when 54,000 people would be living in apartments in nearby Green Square.
Sydney's lord mayor urged the government to put the needs of the public ahead of "the private and corporate interests who want to take over Moore Park".
"This seems to be nothing more than another greedy land grab by the men who run the SCG Trust," Ms Moore said.
"Along with the $38 million bridge across Anzac Parade, it reeks of 'empire building'."
The proposed venue's expected $800 million price tag would require the state government to significantly increase its $600 million funding commitment.
It is also risks putting the government at odds with the direction set out in its own metropolitan strategy, which has prioritised the need for a "new landmark venue for sporting and cultural events" in western Sydney.
Independent Sydney MP Alex Greenwich said the community would rally to oppose any loss of parkland, as it had done in 2010 when the SCG Trust sought to take control of the area to use as permanent car parking.
"The SCG has a long history of blatant attempts to grab public land and proven its aims are to build and park cars on, commercialise and privatise our parklands," Mr Greenwich said.
"This latest proposal is its most destructive yet and the community is ready to battle again."
Former environment minister Rob Stokes told Fairfax Media in March he was "not aware of any proposal" for the SCG Trust to take over parts of Moore Park.
A spokesman for Premier Mike Baird said: "The government will consider plans to upgrade sports stadiums in Sydney once it has received Mr Brogden's report."
A SCG Trust spokesman declined to comment.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/clover-mo...osal-as-greedy-land-grab-20150504-ggtrqk.html

 

[Jatz Crackers]

"This seems to be nothing more than another greedy land grab by the men who run the SCG Trust," Ms Moore said.

The SCG Trust has 2 women on the board.

Careful mizz clover. Your misandry is showing.

 

[JonnoM]

Note the main media performers pushing for the Moore Park redevelopment
Alan Jones
Gerry Harvey

Alan Jones is a SCG trustee and Gerry Harvey's wife Katie Page is also on the trust.

 

[Red Bear]

I disagree, purely on the basis that ANZ as it stands gives Western Sydney a major multi-purpose stadium. Knock it down and replace it with a rectangular stadium and we are resigning ourselves to the fact that cricket and major AFL games will never be played anywhere but Moore Park. It would be great for league fans, but not for wider sport fans.

Then again, I don't think either stadium should be knocked down, just fixed up where necessary.

Cricket of any importance will be at the SCG anyway. Plenty of state cricket gets played out west, Blacktown and Bankstown and other spots.

In other words
-$400 million stadium at Parramatta that only Parramatta Eels and WSW will be calling it their home ground
-$800 million Stadium at Moore Park,with ZERO rail access with only Roosters and Waratahs calling it their home ground,in an area that has huge noise control regulations for local residents
-$100 million Multi Purpose Arena not required or requested by any sporting organisation or Entertainment consortium
-A payout of $150mill to ANZ for a venue that will be handed back FREE to the NSW public in 2030.
-A guaranteed loss of the most centrally located sporting faciltity in the Sydney Metro area

Light rail coming in (as can be seen on the picture, coming straight past the ground)

And I think, if they do this plan, there will be a fair bit of leaning on clubs to move games to new venues. Potentially every sydney St George game, some Cronulla and Manly in new SFS, Tigers, Eels, Panthers will likely all share games around new Parra. This would be the end of Leichhardt, probably Brookvale and could kill of Kogarah as well. Campbelltown, Penrith will keep games due to far flung location (IMO anyway).

I'm not completely convinced of the necessity of a 65000 seat stadium in Moore Park though. Grand Finals and Origin should still be out at ANZ and its 83000 capacity. I'm far from convinced SFS is a knock down job.

Interesting ideas though.

 

[Timbo]

Clover Moore would oppose the building of a bus shelter if it consumed 0.1 square metre of a public park. It's not as though that's the only green space in the area, there's this little place called Centennial Park 200 metres away.

Next.

 

[Brutus]

Too right. Centennial and Queens Parks are just nearby. Plenty of space.

Build this thing and make 75k capacity. Knock down the SFS and use that as space for the public. Turn it into a park.

 

[juro]

Or build the new stadium, but knock down the SFS and have that as open land.

 

[Brutus]

Good article by Richard Hinds today on the stadium issue.

One of his better articles.

 

[Red Bear]

She's the mayor in an incredibly urban part of sydney, it's probably a good thing she wants to maintain as much greenspace as possible.

But given that over the road is a large area of well used parkland, and where the ground is planned on going is, I believe, where the roosters train a bit/carpark on game days, it's probably not a big deal in this case

 

[big hit!]

And what surface do you propose the game is played on. The grass field at NRG is just about the most despised in the NFL.

Barring a retractable field ala uni of pheonix, you're looking at a plastic field.

All these OS facilitiy examples in general are f**kin pointless for the greater Sydney metropolitan.

this obsession with large capacity stadiums for a sport that can't average 20k or regularly sellout venues with a capacity less than this number is absolutely moronic.

The SCG trust can f**k off if they want to claim more public land in a high density area for a facility larger than the existing venue that rarely has its capacity tested anyway. Sydney football derby and Anzac Day is it.

it would be better putting this money to use to build/refurbish several stadiums properly to the 25k-40k capacity range. These are the venues that rugby league, union and soccer require on a regular basis

Folks who reckon Australians will all of a sudden become on par for German football supporters, or will break the habit of apathetic supporters nurtured by the NRLs persistence with a 24-game season that determines nothing in the grand scheme, and schedules games to appease its broadcast partners, are obviously in La-La land.

 

[LineBall]

Good article by Richard Hinds today on the stadium issue.

One of his better articles.

Do you have a link? Looked, but could't find the article.

 

[TheRam]

ANZ Stadium loses out under plan to build new sports stadiums at Moore Park and Parramatta

The controversial plan will require Premier Mike Baird’s support to double the $600 million stadium fund he promoted at the March election.

Sources close to Mr Baird say the Premier will consider whatever plan is presented but they stress that “$600 million is what’s been allocated”.

In my opinion, I don't think that it will be happening. I would be surprised to see the State Gov more then doubling the allocated finance.

By the way, if this plan were to somehow get the green light, that $100m allocated to the Multi purpose Arena, should be redirected to Manly's efforts in building their beautique stadium. It's a no brainer, but once again dumb decision are pending to happen.

 

[JonnoM]

Who is asking for a new Multi Purpose arena?
If no one knows what it is,why the hell does anything think spending $100 mill on it is a good idea?

Allphones Arena is easily the best indoor arena in Australia and suits Sydney perfectly.
The Ent centre will be torn down and replaced with a smaller 8,000 seat arean,suitable for Basketball,Netball,Concerts etc at Darling Harbour.'

Once again,who is calling for this stupid Multi purpose thing at Moore Park?

 

[dangerousdave]

Could somebody please post the article? I've viewed all my free Toiletgraph articles

 

[Desert Qlder]

The plan for new stadiums for Sydney is a huge win for football and rugby, writes Richard Hinds



FINALLY, belatedly, the momentum required to give Sydney’s major football codes the first rate stadiums they have been scandalously deprived seems unstoppable.

The state government appears willing to double its existing $600 million commitment. As importantly, plans to create modern new stadiums that will attract fans – not merely accommodate existing crowds – are on the drawing boards.

If - as colleague John Lehmann reported on Monday - funding is approved to build new Allianz and Parramatta Stadiums there will be no more lipstick smeared on the old pigs. In their place will be modern venues that cater for large crowds in the comfort fans in Melbourne and Brisbane – and even Adelaide! – take for granted.

Should this come to pass, Football Federation Australia should pop the champagne corks. (Or perhaps just have a schooner given parents are still paying far too much for their children to play that sport.)

The twin redevelopments would, with the swing of a wrecking ball, hand the existing A-League franchises Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers new stadiums in which to grow and prosper.

This would in turn accelerate the game’s ambitious – given the A-League’s modest TV ratings, some might say “farfetched’’ - goal of becoming Australia’s number one sport. A plan upon which the FFA will elaborate today when it presents its “Whole of Football’’ strategy.


The Australian Rugby Union would also get a long overdue win. The Wallabies and the Waratahs playing in a state-of-the-art 65,000 seat stadium near the heart of the city with the kind of corporate hospitality that has every braised-beef-cheek-with-red-wine-jus scoffing rah-rah salivating is something the struggling code desperately needs.

A tenant-hungry new Parramatta Stadium might even tempt the ARU to renew focus on the western suburbs. A once prosperous area for the game virtually abandoned in recent times.

Which leaves the biggest show in town – rugby league. Still the only code with the financial muscle, fashion-proof popularity and content levels to ensure the costly rectangular redevelopments pay their way.

Over the past 25 years the NRL has been shafted on stadium development. This was partly the failing of a game that was in administrative disarray in the lead-up to the Sydney Olympics, partly the self-interest of the powerful SCG Trust, partly the NRL’s failure to formulate a cogent stadium strategy and lobby government support.

Even allowing for these failing, that the AFL hijacked the development of ANZ Stadium, benefited heavily from the SCG redevelopment, gained funding from its now virtually abandoned share of Blacktown Olympic Park and had a stadium small enough to cater for the GWS Giants built at The Showgrounds, in the shadows of the Olympic Stadium, beggars belief.

This time? Even as a long-time advocate for building new or improved stadiums in Moore Park and Parramatta, you can’t help wonder if the NRL would benefit as much from these proposals as football and rugby.

The most obvious dilemma is that only some roads lead to Moore Park – and those that do are as clogged as the World Bacon Eating Champion’s arteries.


Would the NRL clubs like South Sydney that traded atmosphere for dollars by taking lucrative deals at ANZ Stadium attract big crowds at New Improved Allianz? Would others such as Manly and Cronulla take home games to the city knowing their fans get travel sick going to the supermarket?

Parramatta Stadium, with its existing infrastructure and rail access, seem a more guaranteed winner for the NRL. A stadium of about 35,000 providing an intimate atmosphere for the Eels, Bulldogs and others is exactly what the game needs. A home and away game home for the west.

And ANZ Stadium? Oddly a stadium that has hosted so many incredible events – Freeman’s gold, Aloisi’s penalty, Johnny Wilkinson’s drop goal, the Rabbitohs’ triumph – has become a victim of misconception.

Had it been built with the NRL in mind, not the AFL, the whole stadium conversation might have been a lot different.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...es-richard-hinds/story-fnp0lxay-1227335259140