Match Discussion: Round 3 vs Newcastle @ McDonald Jones Stadium

[MasterTiger]

Welcome

tHANK YOU

 

[Kilkenny]

He’s stop gap at best. I have no idea what he was like playing at Penrith but their fans have nothing but nice things to say about him....but then again, that’s easy to do when you win 17 straight

Tamou was never a consistent 150 metres plus prop in our time with us. We tended to have four or more forwards all running for a minimum of 100 plus metres per game and shared the workload around. There simply was no need for Tamou to make 15 plus hit ups a game all that was ever required from him was 10-12 100 plus metres and high tackle efficiency which he is very good at.

Other than JFH the only players who used to reach the 200 metre milestone for us were our wingers in To”o and Mansour. It was all just part of our game plan.

 

[Speedy Gonzales]

Tamou was never a consistent 150 metres plus prop in our time with us. We tended to have four or more forwards all running for a minimum of 100 plus metres per game and shared the workload around. There simply was no need for Tamou to make 15 plus hit ups a game all that was ever required from him was 10-12 100 plus metres and high tackle efficiency which he is very good at.

Other than JFH the only players who used to reach the 200 metre milestone for us were our wingers in To”o and Mansour. It was all just part of our game plan.

that’s the way I see it aswell, all our forwards share the work load rather than just having a monster prop make Jason Lolo type meters

I’m sure even he would admit our forward pack is nowhere near the standard of penriths and his role may be a tad harder. But I’m pretty hopeful by the end of his tenure he’s left a foot print on the young guys we have coming through

 

[Kilkenny]

that’s the way I see it aswell, all our forwards share the work load rather than just having a monster prop make Jason Lolo type meters

I’m sure even he would admit our forward pack is nowhere near the standard of penriths and his role may be a tad harder. But I’m pretty hopeful by the end of his tenure he’s left a foot print on the young guys we have coming through

Tamou rarely gets taken to ground, stands in tackles and gets quick play the balls something that often goes unnoticed. I don’t know profess to know what level he is playing at with you guys at this point but he should be judged on his performances across an entire season as opposed to three games.

 

[BrotherJim05]

Tamou's KPIs is how well the rest of the forwards around him go. He was never going to be a stats monster, he's there for on field leadership

 

[Tiger05]

Tamou's KPIs is how well the rest of the forwards around him go. He was never going to be a stats monster, he's there for on field leadership

I don't believe this. He should be judged on his performances. Kilkenny makes a good point though. Penrith had a bunch of quality middle forwards. We do as well. It's up too all of them to get us going forward.

We need to see how he goes over the course of the season but we have plenty of middle forward options. Seyfarth & Simpkins are two young guys who could easily step up to first grade at the expense of Tamou.

 

[Speedy Gonzales]

I don't believe this. He should be judged on his performances. Kilkenny makes a good point though. Penrith had a bunch of quality middle forwards. We do as well. It's up too all of them to get us going forward.

We need to see how he goes over the course of the season but we have plenty of middle forward options. Seyfarth & Simpkins are two young guys who could easily step up to first grade at the expense of Tamou.

It’s right there infront of you though

why would he be made club captain replacing Mbye after a pre season at the club if he wasn’t bought here for on field leadership?

 

[Pezz70]

Tamou's KPIs is how well the rest of the forwards around him go. He was never going to be a stats monster, he's there for on field leadership

I don’t subscribe to that theory, put in or piss off is what I say. I will concede though that stats aren’t the be all and end all when it comes to on field contribution. Remember Adam Blair, his theory that it was the 1%ers that made him successful at the Tigers

 

[Tiger05]

It’s right there infront of you though

why would he be made club captain replacing Mbye after a pre season at the club if he wasn’t bought here for on field leadership?

My perspective is that subjective ideas like leadership are really poor criteria to judge a player on.
He was bought here for that senior leadership role plus to do his job as a prop. He hasn't been bad. It's just that we have a bunch of good middle forwards and I don't see his spot in the team as being secure especially over the next two years.

Mbye was the wrong choice as captain and that is partially because he scrapes into the team at best.

To me leadership is a secondary factor. You firstly have to do your job really well as a player and then you worry about leadership.

In stating all of that Tamou isn't anywhere near a problem for our side and he won't be because we didn't pay overs for him.

To me Douiehi looks a lot better captain option than Tamou. I reckon we are banking on Douiehi to play like he did against Newcastle every week. He is one of the first picked in the team and a top performer.

 

[Tiger05]

I don’t subscribe to that theory, put in or piss off is what I say. I will concede though that stats aren’t the be all and end all when it comes to on field contribution. Remember Adam Blair, his theory that it was the 1%ers that made him successful at the Tigers

That idea is complete bullshit isn't it. As a leader in a footy team your first job is to play to a really high standard. You shouldn't be in the team based on being a leader.

 

[Speedy Gonzales]

My perspective is that subjective ideas like leadership are really poor criteria to judge a player on.
He was bought here for that senior leadership role plus to do his job as a prop. He hasn't been bad. It's just that we have a bunch of good middle forwards and I don't see his spot in the team as being secure especially over the next two

He’s never going to punch out big meters to suit the style of prop you wish he was. Never has and almost certainly never will

He’s not the best performing prop going around but certainly not the worst either. He’s a trade mens like prop, will do a solid job week in week out. And an experienced head on the field

You could start Stefano and Musgrove but then you lose the balance of the team and Stefanos ability to punch holes through the defense. Do you really think Tamou would do a better job off the bench?

Anyways if we’re talking stats he made 9.5 meters per run & made 28 tackles missed 1 last week

 

[Tigerm]

I don't believe this. He should be judged on his performances. Kilkenny makes a good point though. Penrith had a bunch of quality middle forwards. We do as well. It's up too all of them to get us going forward.

We need to see how he goes over the course of the season but we have plenty of middle forward options. Seyfarth & Simpkins are two young guys who could easily step up to first grade at the expense of Tamou.

Sorry bud, but I don’t believe the 2 you mentioned are anywhere near a replacement for JT. It’s R3 in a brand new team FFS.

 

[Tiger05]

Sorry bud, but I don’t believe the 2 you mentioned are anywhere near a replacement for JT. It’s R3 in a brand new team FFS.

Your call. I think they are pushing to make the team now.

 

[Pezz70]

Tamou was never a consistent 150 metres plus prop in our time with us. We tended to have four or more forwards all running for a minimum of 100 plus metres per game and shared the workload around. There simply was no need for Tamou to make 15 plus hit ups a game all that was ever required from him was 10-12 100 plus metres and high tackle efficiency which he is very good at.

Other than JFH the only players who used to reach the 200 metre milestone for us were our wingers in To”o and Mansour. It was all just part of our game plan.

His average last season was 15 runs for 135m per game and 26 tackles, this year so far he is averaging 8 hit ups for 78 metres. So....... he needs to lift or go back to the Panthers

 

[Tiger05]

His average last season was 15 runs for 135m per game and 26 tackles, this year so far he is averaging 8 hit ups for 78 metres. So....... he needs to lift or go back to the Panthers

It's okay because we aren't paying top dollar. He shouldn't be captain though.

 

[Vic Mackey]

He’s never going to punch out big meters to suit the style of prop you wish he was. Never has and almost certainly never will

He’s not the best performing prop going around but certainly not the worst either. He’s a trade mens like prop, will do a solid job week in week out. And an experienced head on the field

You could start Stefano and Musgrove but then you lose the balance of the team and Stefanos ability to punch holes through the defense. Do you really think Tamou would do a better job off the bench?

Anyways if we’re talking stats he made 9.5 meters per run & made 28 tackles missed 1 last week

Totally agree with all this. I actually think Tamous been very good. If anyone thought he was going to be Papalli or JFH they were always going to be disappointedly. He was brought in for Leadership and to do an above average job which I believe he is doing.

Stats are hugely misleading especially for props. If you get a hit up from a kick off that’s 15-20ms to your tally. How many tries do Penrith score compared to us? How many line drop outs do they get? Their props get 40-50 star padding hit ups a year more then ours.

Jimmy Smith said in a podcast yesterday the club believe Musgrove is now their number 1 prop and desperately missed him the first 2 rounds. We have Twal starting and now Stefano and Joffa off the bench. As a group of middles that’s a very good one.

 

[betcats]

Tamou dominates a lot of tackles on his own defensively, not with big hits or anything but he gets a lot of slow play the balls(which are much better than hits) on his 1v1 tackles cause he is just so big, he wraps guys up and then gets them to the ground on their backs.

He wasn’t a barnstorming prop for us last season, his runs and metres were good. His defence and leadership was excellent.

 

[Pezz70]

Totally agree with all this. I actually think Tamous been very good. If anyone thought he was going to be Papalli or JFH they were always going to be disappointedly. He was brought in for Leadership and to do an above average job which I believe he is doing.

Stats are hugely misleading especially for props. If you get a hit up from a kick off that’s 15-20ms to your tally. How many tries do Penrith score compared to us? How many line drop outs do they get? Their props get 40-50 star padding hit ups a year more then ours.

Jimmy Smith said in a podcast yesterday the club believe Musgrove is now their number 1 prop and desperately missed him the first 2 rounds. We have Twal starting and now Stefano and Joffa off the bench. As a group of middles that’s a very good one.

Runs on kick off are recorded as kick return metres

 

[Pezz70]

Runs on kick off are recorded as kick return metres

Even if you include them in the tally over a few games they don’t really change and average much. I do agree though stats for a particular game can be a little misleading. I’m no Tamou hater, I’d just like to get out of him what Panthers got out of him. I think to some extent his stats being down is also an indication that we aren’t getting quality play the balls and service from dummy half, and the fact that we have played three pretty good teams straight off the bat.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Runs on kick off are recorded as kick return metres

I don’t want to get bogged down in technicalities, plus I’ve never played supercoach etc so have never cared much for stats, however I just look at the official NRL app and on it there’s no kick return meters

This could be a whole new thread but the SC era has given way too much emphasis on stats as to a players performance. A guy like Nathan Brown is a prime example. He has great stats every week yet every hit up is a 4th tackle one after other guys have done the hard work. A lot of players get the ball 1m from the defensive line where they are meant to dig in, get to the ground and get a quick play the ball.

It’s probably why Fittler picked a bench full of locks for origin as they all have great stats based off 4th tackle hit ups