New NSW Second division plan "Platinum League"

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

f**king stupid idea. Even the team allocations are dumb - Canterbury with Illawarra and Cronulla? Lol what moron dreamed that up....

Its just a region they carved out. they arent going to tell the 3 clubs to share...

and 'Central and Far West' should be 2 seperate teams.

Could happen in the future. I do hope this comp is planning future expansion.

And how come Parramatta, Penrith and Liverpool are seperate of Central and Far West.

Because the "west" is f*cking huge. Im personally glad they havent just tacked it onto the end of another club as lipservice.

Also, one of the best aspects of NSW Cup is seeing games like Newtown v North Sydney.
Newtown are the only team in the comp that get real support, there's no way they can be killed off at that level. If this goes through crowds in general will drop because fans won't have an attachment to any team. Crowds in NSW Cup are already poor and efforts should be made to increase them, not run them into the ground.

The comp could very well bring back some of the old brands (Newtown > Central Sydney, Annandale > The south sydney team, etc)

They only need to steer clear of the current brands

 

[siv]

But if we allow 11 teams for 11 regions

Penrith becomes Windsor
Parramatta becomes Wenty
Canterbury-Cronulla becomes Newtown
Northern-Beaches-Central Coast becomes Norths
Canberra-SW becomes Parkes Spacemen
Illawarra is Illawarra
Liverpool-Macatthur becomes Wests Magpies
Hunter becomes Maitland Pumpkin Pickers
Central Sydney becomes Souths Juniors

and then we have

Western Rams
Port Macquarie scorpions (anyone else is too far north)

and regional team

Auckland Vulcans

Where say Canterbury and Easts pick a country region

 

[siv]

You will notice that it doesnt really cover regions very well

 

[siv]

Richo always wanted a English style arrangement

Pity he doesn't look at todays ESL with clubs evolving to fielding their own RG and U19 teams

 

[CC_Roosters]

My thoughts are that they are not far off with were teams should be located, I think the below might be more feasible and upset less clubs/bodies.

BIDGEE BULLS (Wagga)- Raiders
NEW ENGLAND (Coffs)- Manly (cant whinge about distance given their previous relationship with the sunshine coast that they stubbornly held onto)
HUNTER REBELS- Knights
WESTERN RAMS (Bathurst)- Bulldogs
ILLAWARRA- Dragons
NORTH SYDNEY- Rabbits
NEWTOWN- Sharks
CENTRAL COAST- Roosters
WEST SYDNEY- Eels
BLACKTOWN- Panthers
LIVERPOOL-MACARTHUR MAGPIES (Campbelltown)- Tigers

Each one I have proposed does not have NRL branding but has a strong relationship to its NRL parent. The rest of the ARLC proposals I agree strongly with, especially the restrictions on juniors contracts and expansion of the squads to 30.

Other sides will obviously be the Warriors for now and then the Fiji side if it definitely goes ahead. Medium to long term I think the focus should be on creating a strong domestic competition in NZ so that the warriors and any future NZ NRL sides have their pathways solely in NZ. That would be a true indicator of the a strong and growing game.

Is the ARL proposal tie in under age competitions to these regions or does SG ball, Harold matts and a revived district U20 continue in parallel with the so called platinum (why) league only being open age. Having a second read of the SMH article and seems to say that the locations are intended to replace the old district boundaries completely down to juniors?

 

[Last Week]

I think we should adopt the Queensland Cup model for the NSW Cup.

We should have representation for places like Tamworth (covering Armidale and Coonabarabran) , Dubbo (covering Parkes, possibly Bathurst and Orange), the Central Coast, Port Macquarie, Coffs, etc etc, should be REPRESENTED (not all necessarily require their own team).

There is strong talent there that deserves to have a more direct pathway to the NRL. But that should be coupled with traditional teams from Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong. West's, Newtown, Norths, etc etc, could form a strong and interesting state cup.

That's all we need, a way of streamlining country players into the spot light without them having to move to Sydney.

But I think there should be more than 11 teams. No need for them to align in any way with NRL clubs. After all, the Queensland Cup has more than 3 teams..

 

[CC_Roosters]

The clubs fear the new boundaries could result in longer travel times for players and less control over their development pathways. It's unclear whether foundation clubs will remain in their current form, while the new boundaries could result in players from rival NRL teams being lumped together in the same feeder club. The scrapping of the National Youth Competition has also raised concerns, with the NSWRL believing the NRL should fund any replacement tournament to be put in its place.

This part says it all about the clubs. They want more and more money and complete control over the pathways, however they also want the NRL to pay for the state based U20 competition seeminly without conditions attached. Just sheer greed and always harks back to their inability to manage their club effectively or spend appropriately. As if the ARLC are going to just give them any extra money or fund a new competition to replace the NYC (which the clubs have basically whinged out of existence) without structural reform to a fairly archaic structure that does not reflect current demographic or geographic reality.

 

[insert.pause]

I think we should adopt the Queensland Cup model for the NSW Cup.

We should have representation for places like Tamworth (covering Armidale and Coonabarabran) , Dubbo (covering Parkes, possibly Bathurst and Orange), the Central Coast, Port Macquarie, Coffs, etc etc, should be REPRESENTED (not all necessarily require their own team).

There is strong talent there that deserves to have a more direct pathway to the NRL. But that should be coupled with traditional teams from Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong. West's, Newtown, Norths, etc etc, could form a strong and interesting state cup.

That's all we need, a way of streamlining country players into the spot light without them having to move to Sydney.

But I think there should be more than 11 teams. No need for them to align in any way with NRL clubs. After all, the Queensland Cup has more than 3 teams..

I agree, and I still think that is where it will end up.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Sony should become the official sponsor and make the trophy this:

 

[alien]

For what purpose??

I have never understood the value of a national reserve grade. It just seems like a low quality version of the NRL.

This "Platinum League thing" (while still offering the same development opportunities) can offer a more community based and oriented League; as the NRL moves to the central stadiums, this becomes the Suburban League reminicant of the 1970 NSWRL.

because it's better for the head coach to have control over development of a player at his club. the head coach should have control over which position he wants a player to play in, in 2nd grade, and maybe even under 20s. it's better for the nrl club

i also think they should keep the national under 20's. have all these nrl under 20's and nrl reserve grade games on foxtel. that will help pay for the travel of the teams.

this platinum comp should be third grade/ron massey cup

 

[Last Week]

I agree, and I still think that is where it will end up.

I also think that NRL clubs shouldn't have any affiliation with the lower teams there.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

I think we should adopt the Queensland Cup model for the NSW Cup.

We should have representation for places like Tamworth (covering Armidale and Coonabarabran) , Dubbo (covering Parkes, possibly Bathurst and Orange), the Central Coast, Port Macquarie, Coffs, etc etc, should be REPRESENTED (not all necessarily require their own team).

There is strong talent there that deserves to have a more direct pathway to the NRL. But that should be coupled with traditional teams from Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong. West's, Newtown, Norths, etc etc, could form a strong and interesting state cup.

That's all we need, a way of streamlining country players into the spot light without them having to move to Sydney.

But I think there should be more than 11 teams. No need for them to align in any way with NRL clubs. After all, the Queensland Cup has more than 3 teams..

Yeah but each of the 3 Queensland NRL clubs have feeder clubs in the Queensland Cup. So unless you agree that all NRL teams barring those Queensland based teams get there own feeder team then you are actually proposing something completely different.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

because it's better for the head coach to have control over development of a player at his club. the head coach should have control over which position he wants a player to play in, in 2nd grade, and maybe even under 20s. it's better for the nrl club

i also think they should keep the national under 20's. have all these nrl under 20's and nrl reserve grade games on foxtel. that will help pay for the travel of the teams.

this platinum comp should be third grade/ron massey cup

F8ck the head coaches and f*ck the clubs. If they dont care about anything but themselves, why should the ARLC care about them?

These reforms are about junior development and a pathway system that covers everyone (not just the places the clubs can be bothered looking at). The quality of the NRL will NOT suffer simply because the clubs don have total control over the reserve grade.

The ARLC is obviously trying to turn the clubs into franchises, which i like. Rather than pretending they exist to blood juniors (something that would happen anyway) they are forced to focus on interest in the game; if a club cannot justify its existence through attendence and viewership, then it is surplus to requirement.

I also think that NRL clubs shouldn't have any affiliation with the lower teams there.

Yeh, the soul purpose of the NRL clubs (outside of winning games) should be promoting community interest...

They are the people the kids see and aspire to be and they are the ones that need to get people interested, watching and attending. Junior development should be left to the ARLC with contributions from local Leagues clubs.

 

[insert.pause]

Why didn't the NSWRL have a problem when Melbourne & Cronulla shared a NSW Cup side a few years ago?

 

[alien]

The quality of the NRL will NOT suffer simply because the clubs don have total control over the reserve grade.

yes it will.

 

[The Great Dane]

yes it will.

Why?

The quality of the AFL, NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, CFL, etc, etc hasn't gone down because the clubs/franchises don't control junior development, in some of those leagues the quality has gone down over the past decade or two because of their not being enough talent to support the amount of clubs/franchises in the competition, but I've seen no evidence to suggest that the clubs not controlling junior development has anything to do with that.

 

[alien]

Why?

because if an nrl club has a player who is currently in 2nd grade, the head coach of the nrl side may want him as backup for a certain position in the first grade team, so he would want him to play that certain position in 2nd grade, so he gets experience in that position

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

because if an nrl club has a player who is currently in 2nd grade, the head coach of the nrl side may want him as backup for a certain position in the first grade team, so he would want him to play that certain position in 2nd grade, so he gets experience in that position

So tell the reserve coach to play him there.....

 

[East Coast Tiger]

I think we should adopt the Queensland Cup model for the NSW Cup.

We should have representation for places like Tamworth (covering Armidale and Coonabarabran) , Dubbo (covering Parkes, possibly Bathurst and Orange), the Central Coast, Port Macquarie, Coffs, etc etc, should be REPRESENTED (not all necessarily require their own team).

There is strong talent there that deserves to have a more direct pathway to the NRL. But that should be coupled with traditional teams from Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong. West's, Newtown, Norths, etc etc, could form a strong and interesting state cup.

That's all we need, a way of streamlining country players into the spot light without them having to move to Sydney.

But I think there should be more than 11 teams. No need for them to align in any way with NRL clubs. After all, the Queensland Cup has more than 3 teams..

Lol.

These posts about carving up country NSW into NSW cup teams are comedy gold.

I especially like the ones where New England are based in Coffs Harbour. Hahaha.

 

[adamkungl]

Q cup works along these lines, but regions/teams that aren't aligned with an NRL team traditionally struggle. How would you see the additional teams competing with the existing ones?

I'm not overly concerned about their ability to win comps - exposure at a high level is more important for these areas.

However - since the NRL seems so willing to piss money against a wall while refusing tooth and nail to give it to the clubs who actually play the game and pay and develop players and bring in crowds, I'm sure they can afford to fund a couple of bush teams to the tune of half a million a year. It would be the best thing they've ever done for the bush.

When you create a role like "head of strategy and development" and hire a profile figure(within RL circles atleast) then you have to change something, not just something small it has to be a complete "restructure' or s new "strategic alignment"....how else do you justify spending money on a new role with a high profile recruit?

Maybe look at expansion nationally and internationally instead of small time shit like NSW Cup. Richardson is a flop. A big fat belly flop into a pool of shit, specifically.

It shouldn't be up to the NRL clubs to develop Jnr players, the NRL should be responsible for that along with whichever leagues clubs want to justify their existence. I don't have a problem with WA jnrs playing for east coast teams if the NRL is paying for those jnrs development. The days of cheering on a "local"side are long gone in professional sport.

Why, because some other sports do it that way and some losers on a forum have arbitrarily decided it's the best way?

Clubs have been developing Rugby League players to superstar athletes for over 100 years. A lot of criticisms can be levelled at how clubs operate but junior development is probably their strongest talent. What juniors have the NRL ever developed?

This will be more rationalising of dedicated organisations (as if it's advantageous to bush footy to absorb the CRL into the NSWRL), more cutting out of experienced people.

The ARLC wants the clubs to be nothing more than colours and a logo that play in the NRL so there is nothing lost if they're cut or threaten to quit.