"Not held"?

[The European Polynesian]

Fast Eddie.....do you believe the Warriors have never won a game on a dodgy call by a ref?

They have definitely lost more than they have one. I can think ov a few this season alone right off the top ov my head.

 

[The European Polynesian]

The exact same thing happened Warriors V Titans at Skilled this year, in the Warriors favor

I'd say that was completely different. That happens all the time, a player goes to ground but no-one is touching him.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Oh, plenty of time, absolutely. I'm just not convinced it was the match-defining call, esp when the Wazzas had a lot more ball in the first half.

I'd say a possible momentum changer (for all we know the Dragons score in that set without that call), but there were plenty of opportunities for the Warriors to change it back (via generous ref calls in their favour or Dragons errors) and they simply didn't take the opportunity.

Has always been my biggest criticism of Cleary as a coach. The Warriors have always lacked a killer instinct under him. Seen them get out to 6-12 point leads often and either get clawed back and just lose or clawed back and just win. They rarely kick on, and it becomes especially noticeable in games like this when the opposition do everything within their power to hand it to them early on.

 

[Coaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fwJi9KIWuXQ

about 1:39 in

Not exactly the same, but still dubious for the same reasons

 

[hitman82]

I'd say a possible momentum changer (for all we know the Dragons score in that set without that call), but there were plenty of opportunities for the Warriors to change it back (via generous ref calls in their favour or Dragons errors) and they simply didn't take the opportunity.

Has always been my biggest criticism of Cleary as a coach. The Warriors have always lacked a killer instinct under him. Seen them get out to 6-12 point leads often and either get clawed back and just lose or clawed back and just win. They rarely kick on, and it becomes especially noticeable in games like this when the opposition do everything within their power to hand it to them early on.

Hard. As soon as we got the early lead I expected the Dragons to come back and get us. Even against terrible teams we've rarely piled on the points like we should have. Killer instinct is something we sorely lack. Not to mention line speed, fringe defense and aggression...
Without these we are going to get crushed in week 1 of the finals series.

 

[Fingerbang]

lol

You obviously have no doubt at all on the Dugan grounding. That is fair enough.....you entitled to have an opinion on it. Just that plenty of others feel it should have been referred to the video ref, to be sure.

I wasn't whinging about the call when it happened, just as I wouldn't be whinging about yesterday's call if it went against my team. Which is the point I was trying to make to Fast Eddie.

Sh!t happens....we get over it and live to fight another day.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fwJi9KIWuXQ

about 1:39 in

Not exactly the same, but still dubious for the same reasons

Slightly the same...I'd say Taylor definitely wasn't held there. Both teams should've played to the whistle, although I think Scott was held. But both teams were in the wrong in terms of the age-old adage.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Sh!t happens....we get over it and live to fight another day.

..or year in our case.

 

[silverfox]

the ref's are taking too long to call held now. Dragons have had similar tries scored against them when they should of been called held - the titans and the tigers. This is why these illegal tackles are being produced from melbourne. The ref's called held sooner and there is no need for the wrestling bullshit to continue.

 

[Jason Maher]

I agree. While we certainly were the beneficiaries on this occasion (and against the Dogs earlier this year), overall it is not good for the game.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

It was poor refereeing. No doubt.

Is this the first case of that this year is it?

 

[hitman82]

Just a thought - the new rule returning the ball to a player who offloads as/just after "held" is called - does this lead to more offloads later in upright, "stationary" tackles, as the player is no longer risking being penalised?

Seems so - and defenders should be more aware of this.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Just a thought - the new rule returning the ball to a player who offloads as/just after "held" is called - does this lead to more offloads later in upright, "stationary" tackles, as the player is no longer risking being penalised?

Seems so - and defenders should be more aware of this.

The rule still isn't being policed right, I'd say players are still gun-shy. Berrigan was penalised for simultaneous offload to held call in our home match v Storm. Unbelievable.

 

[ShaiGuY]

One of these went against us in the Gold Coast match when they were on our line and the dummy half started to even push away the tacklers. Our players started coming off slowly and then the tackled player offloaded the ball to the dummy half who scored - was worse then this one I thought as their dummy half was actually pushing off the tackled players.

 

[TheDMC]

I was at the game, supporting the Warriors.

Yes the ref should've called held, but that did not cost us a try. We simply did not play to the whistle, that did cost us the try.
Earlier in the season we scored a try when all players thought a tackle had been completed except the ball player (Taylor by memory) who then ambled on to the line. That was comical. Yesterday was not.

 

[Willow]

You're absolutely kidding yourself that if yesterday the Dragons lost that one in a close one with that non held try being a Warriors try that there wouldn't have been Dragons fans on here going on about it.

Well not from me Eddie. But by all means feel free to channel the thoughts of others.

Btw it was a 6-6 all penalty count.

It evened up eventually. It was 5-1 well into the match. I almost fell off my chair when we got a second penalty.

 

[carcharias]

both teams first try's were dubious...I reckon the warriors one looked worse.
The dude was on the ground with 3 blokes holding him when he passed it.

 

[hitman82]

Moon's elbows hadn't hit the ground and he flicked it as he went down. Not after he'd been lying there for 5 seconds.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Yeah not too sure what was dubious about that one at all.

 

[carcharias]

passing off the ground IMO should not be allowed...the dude was going nowhere.
He was basically on his back being held by 3 blokes.