Potter gone - OFFICIAL

[innsaneink]

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2014/09/17/wests_tigers_coaching_statement.html

I particularly like this line:

"The newly appointed Head Coach will be given complete control over the appointment of all key football staff and his playing roster."

So basically, the new coach will be a head coach, unlike Mick Potter.

You stay classy Wests Tigers.

They really treat us like mugs, expect us to swallow this garbage then part with our hard earned again next year for memberships merch and other rubbish
The contempt this club treats its fans with, along with other contemptuous issues like the NRL fining the cowboys coach for saying what everyone sees and thinks every week regarding the inconsistency of judiciary issues, the standard of refereeing etc ....its a wonder theres any fans left.
Theyre losing me.

 

[umina panther]

Has Garth Brennan's name come up? Better than most the other options I've heard

 

[Mario chalmers]

My mail is that Matt Parish has the job. You have to laugh.

I am only speculating about this but I reckon you might be right.

On July 23, Matt Parish leaves his job at Canberra

http://www.raiders.com.au/news/2014/07/23/matt_parish_to_depart_canberra_raiders.html

If you watch this interview with Paul Kent, he says that Potter was a dead man walking from July 27 when the WT board called a meeting to sack him.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...061290579?sv=6ccfbfd9227668edb0e18ba9f1bac1b4

If you match the dates up it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that Parish left Canberra with an expectation that he'd get the Tigers gig. "Family reasons" could well be rubbish. There are very few gigs in coaching and I for one, would never leave the security of a contract to the end of 2016 for family reasons" unless there was another job going.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Imagine Parish as the coach and they lose the first 3 or 4 games. Hadley will love it;-)

Dollars have to come into it and you'd assume that Parish is the right guy therefore. But he has not been a first grade coach, at least Potter had that although not in Oz.

It's interesting that there are a few guys who have said that their ambition is to coach 1st grade, Potter and Taylor have stated that. Todd Payten stated the same and said it when he was still playing yet plenty are blaming him as been part of the problem at the Tigers. I have been told and yes, it's like saying my brothers best mates father knows such and such, but have been told that Payten was not an issue at the Tigers regarding Potter, always supported him for the good of the team.

 

[benched tiger]

What evidence is there of the assistant coaches undermining Potts other than our rubbish D & A,it always seemed odd to me that Payten was never in the coaches box during games ,still there could be a valid reason for this also.

 

[TYGA]

Potter did a lot of good at WT. He culled the roster and introduced the new wave of players. He is a thoroughly decent man who did not deserve the treatment. That said the decision not to renew his contract is the right one. The next decision that needs to be made is to sack Mayer wrongly or righty the handling of the club has been poor and we need a fresh approach top down.

 

[ek999]

I thought Price was heading to Cronulla as assistant to Flano.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he is

Kent on BSB said that Folkes is favourite to be your coach

 

[Old Time Tiger]

What evidence is there of the assistant coaches undermining Potts other than our rubbish D & A,
exactly, what evidence is or was there?
it always seemed odd to me that Payten was never in the coaches box during games ,apparently just a different role, he sat on the side line to provide the coach another perspective and he, Payten, in turn was very good with his words with the bench warmers still there could be a valid reason for this also.

It's also interesting to read in the paper this morning that both Payten and Kidwell are both interested in the role. Paper talk !! a week ago Payten was off to Auckland.

Potter’s assistants Todd Payten and David Kidwell are expected to press their claims, but Griffin’s four-year reign at Queensland’s glamour NRL club makes him a contender.

Nathan Brown has also been linked with the Tigers post, but the former Dragons coach is contracted at St Helens for next season and has yet to receive a formal approach.

While Griffin is a front-runner, Walters will not be in the race.

The former Maroons captain went close to securing the Tigers post two years ago, only to be narrowly beaten by Potter.

Walters has no intention of re-applying and believes he is a better fit for the Broncos under Bennett, who employed him at the Knights this season.

Tigers boss Grant Mayer said severing ties with Potter, who has endured a strained relationship with star hooker Robbie Farah, was an agonising call.

“This has been a difficult decision for everyone involved but one that the club believes is in the best interests of a successful future for Wests Tigers,’’ Mayer said.

Former Tigers lock Scott Sattler said Payten was ready for NRL coaching.

“I think he would do a great job,’’ Sattler said. “I don’t know where the Tigers are financially but they need to take on a coach in the right price range.

“I’ve had a close affiliation with Todd ever since I played with him at the Tigers. He’s a student of the game and thinks outside the box.

“From feedback I’ve got on Toddy, that’s the way he now operates as a coach. He’s tough but fair and very intelligent in the way he approaches rugby league game plans.’’

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ers-coaching-job/story-fni3fbgz-1227061846949

 

[Matchball]

Tigers boss Grant Mayer said severing ties with Potter, who has endured a strained relationship with star hooker Robbie Farah, was an agonising call.

Well its all falling into place for Farah.
Todd is getting talked up now and if is appointed I'll lay that directly at Farah picking the coach and Mayer a toothless cat.
This is embarrassing to watch unfold.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Well its all falling into place for Farah

Matchball, I hear what you are saying however and I'm not defending Farah because I do not know the truth however, when you hear Kent (on the link from my post 2 up) where does Kent get his info from? I bet it's not Farah as he wouldn't say zip to the media at the moment and Potter is too much of a gentleman. I'd say Mayer is the one 'leaking' these little pieces to the likes of Kent.

Kent is fast becoming another Weidler.

 

[Matchball]

AFTER months of speculation, Wests Tigers finally dumped Mick Potter, telling the coach on Wednesday that his contract would not be renewed.

The Daily Telegraph’s James Hooper asked Tigers CEO Grant Mayer the hard questions about why Potter was sacked.

HOOPER: People are saying you’ve got Mick Potter’s blood on your hands. What do you say?

MAYER: It’s very emotive wording. I understand right now after an announcement like this why there is that sort of sentiment. I’ve got to wear that. It’s raw, emotional and tough on Mick. But as the CEO I have to make the right call, along with the board, on the club’s future. The decision is right.

Part of my job is to wear all of that sentiment and understand that right now the fans and members are upset and don’t fully understand how and why we got to this position.

They’ve got to have faith that the previous board and this new board have made decisions based on information that’s been given to them.

This is not one man’s decision. This is a united decision. As tough as it is, we’ve got to be thinking about the Wests Tigers.

You make tough decisions like this thinking and believing that in 12-months time, we’re going to be stronger club.
HOOPER: Plenty of people are calling for your head. Why has Mick Potter gone yet you survive?

MAYER: I can understand why fans, members and casual observers might see it like that, because the buck obviously stops with the CEO.

But I don’t have to justify my position or my relationship with Mick Potter. I’ve been friends with Mick for almost 10 years now. We’ve worked together at two clubs. I recruited him at Les Catalans and was over the moon when he came here.

But it’s not about friendships. There’s no doubt he’s going to find the next few weeks difficult. Taking all that into account, the calibre of players at Wests Tigers and where the club wants to be in the future, it was decided a change at the head coaching level was needed.
HOOPER: But surely you have to concede this was your decision, you made a recommendation to the new board?

MAYER: None of my decisions have been based upon independent thought. It has always been in consultation with the right people at this organisation. We stick by that.

What I’ve learnt over 15 years in rugby league is that you need to go through a very clear, concise, fair and open process to get to a decision. Making emotional decisions is the wrong answer.

Decisions need to be fact based. Everything we’ve done in the last 18 months since I’ve been in charge at this club has been fact based.

HOOPER: You commissioned the Brian Smith report midyear and the season went completely off the rails. Do you concede that was a mistake?

MAYER: I’ve said this ad nauseam; the Brian Smith review is completely unrelated to this decision. Despite what’s been written, it had nothing to do with this decision.
HOOPER: I disagree; the players were told they could go in anonymously and raise any issues at the club. And the majority of them knifed the coach.

MAYER: That’s incorrect. That is categorically incorrect. They were told we were doing a review of our structure from top to bottom. The players were told they could speak openly and honestly to an independent person about our pathways program and any issue they might have.

I can guarantee you that the Brian Smith report and findings had nothing to do with the decision.

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HOOPER: I’ve spoken to players who spoke to Brian Smith who told me they criticised the coach.

MAYER: There’s nothing in Brian Smith’s report about Mick Potter. It was about structure. Brian Smith’s job was not to come in and crucify Mick Potter.

HOOPER: So the Smith report played no role in Mick Potter’s sacking?

MAYER: It wasn’t the reason for the review in the first place. The new board have had two opportunities to meet with Mick and they were given a copy of the Smith report. They saw what I have just told you. I’ve not clouded any process.
HOOPER: When will you announce your new coach and general manager of football?

MAYER: We’ll be looking to make an announcement on the new coach by the middle of October. The general manager of football operations may be appointed a little earlier.

Both of those individuals working with the board and the CEO will be given the opportunity to instil a discipline and a culture that breeds success.

The list that we’ve put together is outstanding so we need to make sure that we as a board, management team and coaching structure give our players the best possible opportunity to succeed.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/spor...ood-on-his-hands/story-fni3gpz1-1227061901072

 

[Matchball]

MAYER: None of my decisions have been based upon independent thought. It has always been in consultation with the right people at this organisation. We stick by that.

Who are these right people?

But earlier in the article..

MAYER: It’s very emotive wording. I understand right now after an announcement like this why there is that sort of sentiment. I’ve got to wear that. It’s raw, emotional and tough on Mick. But as the CEO I have to make the right call, along with the board, on the club’s future. The decision is right.

I have to make the right call but later on he says it's consultations with the right people.

 

[benched tiger]

It would be a quiet day for the NRL media if it wasn't for the WT.

 

[Matchball]

MAYER: There’s nothing in Brian Smith’s report about Mick Potter. It was about structure. Brian Smith’s job was not to come in and crucify Mick Potter.

Please, please don't insult people's intelligence when saying there was nothing about Mick is a team review.
Its insulting.

 

[The Charlatan]

I found this interesting in particular:

MAYER: I can understand why fans, members and casual observers might see it like that, because the buck obviously stops with the CEO.

But I don’t have to justify my position or my relationship with Mick Potter. I’ve been friends with Mick for almost 10 years now. We’ve worked together at two clubs. I recruited him at Les Catalans and was over the moon when he came here.

But it’s not about friendships. There’s no doubt he’s going to find the next few weeks difficult. Taking all that into account, the calibre of players at Wests Tigers and where the club wants to be in the future, it was decided a change at the head coaching level was needed.

 

[The Charlatan]

Please, please don't insult people's intelligence when saying there was nothing about Mick is a team review.
Its insulting.

Did Smith venture outside the intended scope of the report?

 

[Matchball]

Did Smith venture outside the intended scope of the report?

Do you honestly believe that while conducting a review of the staff that Potter never came up?
Or is it just coincidence that once the review was over the club problems erupted.

Could Smith been the leak to the media?

 

[The Charlatan]

Do you honestly believe that while conducting a review of the staff that Potter never came up?
Or is it just coincidence that once the review was over the club problems erupted.

Could Smith been the leak to the media?

I don't believe for one second that Potter's role was not discussed in some capacity. The review covered football operations. However it is interesting that Mayer specifically noted the following:

"The players were told they could speak openly and honestly to an independent person about our pathways program and any issue they might have."

I would say that the pathways program would be more about the route the juniors take to first grade, not so much how Potter runs the first grade side. If that was the intent of Mayer, that would suggest to me any of the following:

- The players have overstepped the scope and used this report as an opportunity to lay into Potter;
- Smith has overstepped the scope and quizzed the players specifically about Potter, and as such used this report as an opportunity to lay into him (this would only be a likely scenario if he was looking to continue to coach
- Mayer is not being forthright about what the players were specifically allowed to speak about and using this to deflect blame.

Was the rest of the coaching staff able to speak to Smith as well? Did the white anting come from his own ranks?

 

[madunit]

Well its all falling into place for Farah.
Todd is getting talked up now and if is appointed I'll lay that directly at Farah picking the coach and Mayer a toothless cat.
This is embarrassing to watch unfold.

Hang on, the Tele has been the only media outlet adamant there was an issue between Farah and Potter. Potter and Farah have stated that there was no issues between them.

I'm not going to take the DT opinion over words that came from the horses mouths.

Farah stated that he didn't want any involvement in who the coach is for 2015.

How can anything be falling in to place for him when he removed himself from any involvement in the place where the said things are falling into?

 

[madunit]

I don't believe for one second that Potter's role was not discussed in some capacity. The review covered football operations. However it is interesting that Mayer specifically noted the following:

"The players were told they could speak openly and honestly to an independent person about our pathways program and any issue they might have."

I would say that the pathways program would be more about the route the juniors take to first grade, not so much how Potter runs the first grade side. If that was the intent of Mayer, that would suggest to me any of the following:

- The players have overstepped the scope and used this report as an opportunity to lay into Potter;
- Smith has overstepped the scope and quizzed the players specifically about Potter, and as such used this report as an opportunity to lay into him (this would only be a likely scenario if he was looking to continue to coach
- Mayer is not being forthright about what the players were specifically allowed to speak about and using this to deflect blame.

Was the rest of the coaching staff able to speak to Smith as well? Did the white anting come from his own ranks?

The involvement of players in the report is stupid anyway.

What the hell do the players know about coaching structures throughout an entire club.

Whoever decided that players should be questioned clearly knew there was some discontent amongst some players towards Potter, and they used this to suit their agenda of giving Potter the arse.

Let's be honest and rational here. If you were reviewing the coaching structure and pathways etc of the club, from ground up, what questions could you possibly ask the players that would provide any insight that you couldn't have got from coaches or club administrators?