Question on Peter V'landys

[franklin2323]

im not, that’s your perception. I’m speculating with a caveat that we don’t yet know the details. Same as people who are saying it’s good we have an extension are speculating without knowing what the deal actually is. It might be a great deal, it might not. I have my concerns due to Vlandys and the way news ltd are being very abnormal in their behaviour to him and the game at the moment.

Better to have some money locked in than none...

 

[unforgiven]

But in the USA the FTA networks are desperate for live sport. Its the only thing they know will rate. The only nfl game that is exclusively pay tv is Monday night On ESPN . And that will change ASAP because that game if it stays with Disney will be on ABC.

They are looking at their options of course including streaming services but the FTA networks there are prepared to pay. https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...hts-deal-for-the-nfl-will-be-bigger-than-ever

Its a little different here with the tv market split in half NRL/AFL. But both still attract decent audiences for good games in whatever time slot. So one of the FTA networks will pay for that.

Pay tv is changing shape. If you have Netflix, Stan, KAYO, Amazon and Disney+ is it any less cost than Foxtel. So it’s just a change of platform rather than a complete rework of the model. The Foxtel box has become you’re phone/tablet/computer. Which if you are at home you cast to your tv/chromecast/apple tv/roku/whatever and watch it on a big screen and instead of recording shows you can stream them at any time (as long as they haven’t been removed).

foxsports May just become KAYO. Pay your $25/ month. Sport for you.

who knows.

but FTA will fight to keep sport. Only live events are rating consistently.

Problem is we are not the US, our market is no where near as big and the competition is not as large. FTA revenue here s shrinking massively.

 

[AJB1102]

That was in response to your statement. Yes it's great we are back, fantastic we give it to the AFL. However in the long term it's just chest beating really. All this praise the messiah crap that has been spewed by the media in recent weeks is sickening and hiding a clear agenda. What is concerning is there is no independent voice in the media questioning why he is doing 6 and 7 year deals or what is the plan with digital. Sure do a 3 year deal, why rush.

Mate I don't read the DT or watch/listen to Kent etc.

All I know is PVL stated shit he'd get done months ago in unprecedented difficult circumstances and has f**king steamrolled any obstacles that got in his way to ultimately deliver. If it unfolds that he's f**ked it up long term for short term gain I'll judge him on that. Until then, based on whats actually happened, I can't fault results.

People got put off with him being one of the first to seek government handouts. I think he was just getting on the front foot. Pretty sure at least ARU ended up doing the same. We always complain our code is woefully behind the AFL in thieving government money but when we're first its Sooksville.

I like a merkin who takes charge and gets things done. He's said numerous times he'll wear it if his 1 ref thing goes shit.

I'm not fussed he's got a good relationship with L Murdoch. We've got someone who has the ear of a billion dollar media mogul. PVL doesn't strike me as a "yes" man or a pawn.

 

[AJB1102]

RL actual had vision and achieved something

Funny that @Perth Red had such a gripe with Todd's admission to not being a visionary ey?

 

[Mr Angry]

hmm..

How much has News corp spent?

Billions right?

Do players get paid well now?

Do they want to profit?

Yes.

Broncos V Parramatta soon.

Cannot wait, would watch at a pub, but will just buy Kayo at this point, as Fox in the end via that payment gets the players paid.

Anyways continue your hate.

Will Digital pass next year.

 

[AJB1102]

I have no doubt as much as this return date is about "saving" rugby league it was more about saving Kayo and Fox. Murdochs weight would have been right in there with the politicians.

I think it was mutually beneficial and if fox had the "ditch it to save money" attitude of ch9 we'd be in a lotta trouble.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You said yourself the current media landscape is changing, I'd have thought having a guaranteed income during this time would be of benefit?

I think I've said that see out the 3 year deal. Alot will change in that time. Then let's start negotiations again.

 

[LeagueXIII]

They’ve got a very long extension on a deal that still had two seasons of significant payments for less, possibly a lot less, and may have sabotaged the only serious investment the nrl has made over this period in its digital capacity. They may have not but we won’t know until the deal comes out. As they say the prof of the pudding and all that.

What they have done is eliminate what was a competitor. Let's see what they do with the AFL digital because they see that as competition also.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You do know that those 70 staff make the NRL $12mill a year in profit don’t you? So you’d sack them all and lose money? Business genius lol.

How many do the AFL have.

 

[AJB1102]

I may not know alot, however I know one thing, never believe what the media say

News ltd has spent the last 7 years, and more, taking every opportunity to put sht on the game and it’s leaders at every opportunity. The fact that during this period there has been numerous opportunities to do so and they haven’t should Have everyone feeling a healthy scepticism as to why. Couple that with the love fest over Vlandys and you can’t help but feel Suspect.

Exactly. Fox needed NRL back, PVL got it done. While his interests align with their's they'll champion him. No brainer.

The media are being positive toward NRL and you're complaining.

You know as well as I do they'll turn on a dime if he goes a direction they'd rather he not. But if the interests continue to align and Rugba Leauge doesn't suffer, you beauty.

 

[LeagueXIII]

im not, that’s your perception. I’m speculating with a caveat that we don’t yet know the details. Same as people who are saying it’s good we have an extension are speculating without knowing what the deal actually is. It might be a great deal, it might not. I have my concerns due to Vlandys and the way news ltd are being very abnormal in their behaviour to him and the game at the moment.

It's so obvious, I dumbfounded people can't see it. News Ltd have run roughshod over our game and leaders for years now they are like pussycats. Why? Because they are in control again.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Mate I agree that the Digital is crucial but you don't need to complain about it 10 times a day when we know nothing about what as happened.

Why don't we? We know everything else. Why no debate in the media?

I'll take a guess Fox have control of it and that's why they have a 7 year deal so to allow themselves to get it bedded in.

Now if it all turns out great for rugby league I'm happy to eat my words.

 

[AJB1102]

to suggest he should be sacked for financial mismanagement when he’s delivered two years of very good financial performance is BS and I’ll call it such.

He was an ineffectual overpaid shit talker who got too little done with too many troops. Good riddance.

 

[LeagueXIII]

But in the USA the FTA networks are desperate for live sport. Its the only thing they know will rate. The only nfl game that is exclusively pay tv is Monday night On ESPN . And that will change ASAP because that game if it stays with Disney will be on ABC.

They are looking at their options of course including streaming services but the FTA networks there are prepared to pay. https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...hts-deal-for-the-nfl-will-be-bigger-than-ever

Its a little different here with the tv market split in half NRL/AFL. But both still attract decent audiences for good games in whatever time slot. So one of the FTA networks will pay for that.

Pay tv is changing shape. If you have Netflix, Stan, KAYO, Amazon and Disney+ is it any less cost than Foxtel. So it’s just a change of platform rather than a complete rework of the model. The Foxtel box has become you’re phone/tablet/computer. Which if you are at home you cast to your tv/chromecast/apple tv/roku/whatever and watch it on a big screen and instead of recording shows you can stream them at any time (as long as they haven’t been removed).

foxsports May just become KAYO. Pay your $25/ month. Sport for you.

who knows.

but FTA will fight to keep sport. Only live events are rating consistently.

However in the future why couldn't the league sell the game differently, break each round up, sell the Friday game, Saturday and Sunday. To whoever wants to pay for it.

 

[unforgiven]

guess

Says it all

 

[LeagueXIII]

Exactly. Fox needed NRL back, PVL got it done. While his interests align with their's they'll champion him. No brainer.

The media are being positive toward NRL and you're complaining.

You know as well as I do they'll turn on a dime if he goes a direction they'd rather he not. But if the interests continue to align and Rugba Leauge doesn't suffer, you beauty.

That's fine. But why extend? Get the game back on the road everyone happy. No need to extend.

Why did he? This is the detail we haven't been told.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Exactly. Fox needed NRL back, PVL got it done. While his interests align with their's they'll champion him. No brainer.

The media are being positive toward NRL and you're complaining.

You know as well as I do they'll turn on a dime if he goes a direction they'd rather he not. But if the interests continue to align and Rugba Leauge doesn't suffer, you beauty.

Then that means they control us, this is what we have been fighting for 25 years.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Says it all

With due respect I think we all are.

 

[AJB1102]

News Ltd have run roughshod over our game and leaders for years now they are like pussycats.

Now we get a bloke who seems to run his own show and theres complaints?

 

[unforgiven]

With due respect I think we all are.

I'm not guessing, that's the point. I will wait to see what has happened before I start my whinge.