Rank the Brisbane bids

[Perth Red]

Logan was declared a city in 1981 or 1982, and has a population of 326,000. Redlands has around 200,000 or 180,000 and was declared a city just over a decade ago if my memory is correct. Moreton Bay is a Regional Council and has around 450,000, but it's not a city. Ipswich has over 210,000 people and is a city.

no more small clubs in populations of less than 500k

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

no more small clubs in populations of less than 500k

So shut down all the English Super League clubs that are based in the north of England, yeah? Not a single one of them is based in a city that has over 500,000 residents.

Manchester only has 510,000. It does alright supporting 2 soccer clubs.

Perth metro area has 1.5million people and its soccer team in the A-League can only average 8,382.

http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=att&season=2019-20

That's the sort of crowds the Western Reds got in 1996 and 1997.

1996. 8,262
1997. 8,776.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/western_reds.html

Soccer has a far bigger following in Perth than rugby league. The Glory got good crowds back in the old National Soccer League when they were the pride of the competition, routinely finishing on top the ladder like the Melbourne Storm. Perth fans would turn out in numbers of 13,000 or more to see the Glory play in the NSL, but couldn't be bothered to watch them in the superior A-League. Perth is a fairweather city, keenly following its non-fumbleball teams when they're winning, and jumping off the wagon when they're losing.

Do you have any evidence that a Perth RL team would be successful on the field like the Storm? That's what will be needed to get an average of 15,000 fans through the gates at Perth Oval to see a Perth team year in, year out. Once they drop down the ladder, or if they start out down the ladder and never move up, the number will almost drop in half to around 8,000.

Any other stupid comments you want to make?

 

[Perth Red]

So shut down all the English Super League clubs that are based in the north of England, yeah? Not a single one of them is based in a city that has over 500,000 residents.

Manchester only has 510,000. It does alright supporting 2 soccer clubs.

Perth metro area has 1.5million people and its soccer team in the A-League can only average 8,382.

http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=att&season=2019-20

That's the sort of crowds the Western Reds got in 1996 and 1997.

1996. 8,262
1997. 8,776.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/western_reds.html

Soccer has a far bigger following in Perth than rugby league. The Glory got good crowds back in the old National Soccer League when they were the pride of the competition, routinely finishing on top the ladder like the Melbourne Storm. Perth fans would turn out in numbers of 13,000 or more to see the Glory play in the NSL, but couldn't be bothered to watch them in the superior A-League. Perth is a fairweather city, keenly following its non-fumbleball teams when they're winning, and jumping off the wagon when they're losing.

Do you have any evidence that a Perth RL team would be successful on the field like the Storm? That's what will be needed to get an average of 15,000 fans through the gates at Perth Oval to see a Perth team year in, year out. Once they drop down the ladder, or if they start out down the ladder and never move up, the number will almost drop in half to around 8,000.

Any other stupid comments you want to make?

theres 2.8million in greater Manchester and PERTH has over 2million in metro area Lol I’ve noticed facts aren’t your strong point
The game doesn’t need more suburban clubs

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

theres 2.8million in greater Manchester and PERTH has over 2million in metro area Lol I’ve noticed facts aren’t your strong point
The game doesn’t need more suburban clubs

The City of Manchester has 547,600 people according to Google.

Greater Manchester is a county.

Logan is not a suburb. You don't know the definition of a suburb.

Perth metropolitan area is up to 2million now? And it can only draw tiny crowds to NRL Premiership games at Perth Oval? Why on Earth would V'landys put a team in a city that has zero interest in the game? Oh wait, he's not and said as much.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane needs another Broncos with 30k crowds at Suncorp drawing city wide, not another Manly drawing 10k from a limited catchment in a sub 20k stadium and struggling to survive with big brothers foot on their throat. I'd say the Brisbane market is actually going to be much harder than cracking Perth or Gosford, competing with Broncos for fans, sponsors and media interest is going to be a massive challenge for any new club, especially if it is underfunded and doesn't have the resources and power to wield.

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Congrats on Brisbane getting a second team when the league expands.

Good to see another wedge taken out of the Broncos market.

Commiserations to Perth.

By the time the next expansion talk comes around Your Old Fella will look like a sun dried tomato. Lol.

 

[mongoose]

Logan was declared a city in 1981 or 1982, and has a population of 326,000. Redlands has around 200,000 or 180,000 and was declared a city just over a decade ago if my memory is correct. Moreton Bay is a Regional Council and has around 450,000, but it's not a city. Ipswich has over 210,000 people and is a city.

no one sees these as separate cities anymore, they are all included in the Brisbane metro population of around 2.5 million.

 

[Perth Red]

Congrats on Brisbane getting a second team when the league expands.

Good to see another wedge taken out of the Broncos market.

Commiserations to Perth.

By the time the next expansion talk comes around Your Old Fella will look like a sun dried tomato. Lol.

Eventuality we will get some leadership with vision and balls. Maybe lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

no one sees these as separate cities anymore, they are all included in the Brisbane metro population of around 2.5 million.

In southeast Queensland people sure do. Go look in the Queensland forum to where I suggested Wynnum change their name to East Coast and represent the bayside suburbs of Brissie from Lytton to Lota and Redland City. The Wynnum fan responded saying Redlands is completely different to tre Wynnum district.

When people are looking to buy property up here it matters which city it is in. My sister owns her own house in Logan but gets teased for it by people at work who still live with their parents in Brissie.

When people from up here talk about Brisbane they're talking about the City of Brisbane, not Brisbane metro area.

 

[jim_57]

no one sees these as separate cities anymore, they are all included in the Brisbane metro population of around 2.5 million.

The "Logan/Redland/wherever is it's own city" thing is just pointless info really. I know several people who live in each of these areas, Redland Bay, Moreton Bay, Logan etc. I'd bet my left that if someone asked what city they live in they'd all just say Brisbane. Ipswich is probably the exception.

Some older people may stubbornly say Logan if they've been around long enough to see Logan get completely swallowed up by Brisbane. Or used as a jest.

What Donkeys says would be replicated in pretty much any city in the world. If I showed up at a new job in Melbourne and someone asked me "where are you living?" and I replied "Melbourne" I'd look pretty dense wouldn't I? But if I moved to Melbourne and spoke to someone from my hometown who didn't know I'd moved I wouldn't say "I live in Moreland city now" or "I work in Seddon".

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The "Logan/Redland/wherever is it's own city" thing is just pointless info really. I know several people who live in each of these areas, Redland Bay, Moreton Bay, Logan etc. I'd bet my left that if someone asked what city they live in they'd all just say Brisbane. Ipswich is probably the exception.

Some older people may stubbornly say Logan if they've been around long enough to see Logan get completely swallowed up by Brisbane. Or used as a jest.

What Donkeys says would be replicated in pretty much any city in the world. If I showed up at a new job in Melbourne and someone asked me "where are you living?" and I replied "Melbourne" I'd look pretty dense wouldn't I? But if I moved to Melbourne and spoke to someone from my hometown who didn't know I'd moved I wouldn't say "I live in Moreland city now" or "I work in Seddon".

Everyone I know from Logan says they're from Logan. I went to school in southern Brisbane and it had heaps of students from Logan, and none of them identified their city as Brissie. People from Logan are proud of not being from Brissie.

If I was casually talking to a foreigner who is unfamiliar with Australia and I didn't feel like explaining in detail where I live then I would probably say Brisbane as there's a chance they would have heard of it, but that doesn't mean Logan and Redland are not cities.

 

[jim_57]

In southeast Queensland people sure do. Go look in the Queensland forum to where I suggested Wynnum change their name to East Coast and represent the bayside suburbs of Brissie from Lytton to Lota and Redland City. The Wynnum fan responded saying Redlands is completely different to tre Wynnum district.

When people are looking to buy property up here it matters which city it is in. My sister owns her own house in Logan but gets teased for it by people at work who still live with their parents in Brissie.

When people from up here talk about Brisbane they're talking about the City of Brisbane, not Brisbane metro area.

Wynumm is far closer to Brisbane City than it is Redland Bay.

It matters about as much in any city with different demographics in each suburb/sub-region (every city in the world). A few suburbs within the Logan area have a reputation of being a bit rough, not really earth shattering that people in up market areas within the city would look down on living there.

Of course people within a city aren't going to refer to the whole metro area as 'Brisbane' in everyday talk, that would be a bit confusing. Yet if they travelled interstate or overseas they most likely wouldn't tell people they're from Acacia Ridge or Kedron.

 

[jim_57]

Everyone I know from Logan says they're from Logan. I went to school in southern Brisbane and it had heaps of students from Logan, and none of them identified their city as Brissie. People from Logan are proud of not being from Brissie.

If I was casually talking to a foreigner who is unfamiliar with Australia and I didn't feel like explaining in detail where I live then I would probably say Brisbane, but that doesn't mean Logan and Redland are not cities.

Nobody I know from Logan says they're from Logan unless it's obvious they're just identifying which part of Brisbane they're from.

I used to work in Redland Bay, at the "** Brisbane Factory". The company I work for now has all it's South East Queensland operations in Logan but the name on the front gate still says "Brisbane ** Terminal" and when they advertise for jobs internally it says location: Brisbane, not Location: Logan.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wynumm is far closer to Brisbane City than it is Redland Bay.

It matters about as much in any city with different demographics in each suburb/sub-region (every city in the world). A few suburbs within the Logan area have a reputation of being a bit rough, not really earth shattering that people in up market areas within the city would look down on living there.

Of course people within a city aren't going to refer to the whole metro area as 'Brisbane' in everyday talk, that would be a bit confusing. Yet if they travelled interstate or overseas they most likely wouldn't tell people they're from Acacia Ridge or Kedron.

Redland Bay is a suburb of Redland City. Why are you focussing on it and not areas like Wellington Point and Cleveland?

I am a Wynnum fan and attend their games. I drive through Redlands to get to Manly West. The areas have a lot in common. Wynnum is far closer to the boundaries of Redlands than the Brissie CBD.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nobody I know from Logan says they're from Logan unless it's obvious they're just identifying which part of Brisbane they're from.

I used to work in Redland Bay, at the "** Brisbane Factory". The company I work for now has all it's South East Queensland operations in Logan but the name on the front gate still says "Brisbane ** Terminal" and when they advertise for jobs internally it says location: Brisbane, not Location: Logan.

They're referring to the metro area and advertising to 2.5 million people, not 326,000 in Logan. That's commercialism.

 

[mongoose]

In southeast Queensland people sure do. Go look in the Queensland forum to where I suggested Wynnum change their name to East Coast and represent the bayside suburbs of Brissie from Lytton to Lota and Redland City. The Wynnum fan responded saying Redlands is completely different to tre Wynnum district.

When people are looking to buy property up here it matters which city it is in. My sister owns her own house in Logan but gets teased for it by people at work who still live with their parents in Brissie.

When people from up here talk about Brisbane they're talking about the City of Brisbane, not Brisbane metro area.

you have NFI

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you have NFI

I've lived here my whole life. I know what I have experienced.

Logan is Logan. Brisbane is Brisbane. Ipswich is Ipswich. Redlands and Moreton Bay are areas from the council amalgamation in the 00s, so people probably don't identify with those areas too much. But Logan has been around for almost 40 years now and has its own history and culture that is distinct from Brisbane.

People from Brissie tend to distance themselves from Ipswich and Logan. My other sister is always hating on Logan. Comments in the local newspapers are full of tribalism between people from Ipswich, Logan and Brisbane. The plan to merge Logan with the Redlands at the council amalgamations fell through because the people of Redlands didn't want to be associated with Logan. When Cr Lisa Bradley asked residents of Logan Division 1 if we wanted our part of Logan to merge with Redlands there was a lot of anger, primarily in the Redlands but also in Logan.

 

[The Great Dane]

you have NFI

Yeah he's utterly f**king delusional.

 

[The Great Dane]

For the record Brisbane is a Metropolis, or more specifically a conurbation.

Put simply that means that it's a city that is so big that it's swallowed other cities and towns around it to form one big contiguous metropolitan area (i.e. one enormous city).

So saying that Logan is a separate city to Brisbane is a redundant point because it's been totally swallowed by Brisbane and couldn't exist as it does independent of Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

The City of Manchester has 547,600 people according to Google.

Greater Manchester is a county.

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WTF? Has it moved? Have the Pennines shifted from some psysmic event since I left? Manchester is in the county of Lancashire you fool. Both Manchester EPL clubs draw from the borough of Manchester , hence why they can sell out a 74k and a 55k stadium every game!

It'd be like saying the City of Sydney only has a population of 250k. No one says that lol