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RLW: Best player over the last 30 years?

RLW: Best player over the last 30 years?

  • Wally Lewis

    Votes: 45 21.8%
  • Andrew Johns

    Votes: 99 48.1%
  • Brad Fittler

    Votes: 20 9.7%
  • Darren Lockyer

    Votes: 9 4.4%
  • Allan Langer

    Votes: 8 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 25 12.1%

  • Total voters
    206
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johns isnt the best player over 30 yrs.

hes the best player over 100 yrs.

he was dominating the nrl for so long, it was scary at times the level of dominance he had over the elite RL competition on the planet.

from sterling, then stuart and langer, johns has the best of all of those players and then some.

plus his defence is as good as a forwards, unlike some of those above who were speed bumps at times
 

nqboy

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Johns was better at club level. At rep level, you could argue that Joey was more consistently involved and certainly had his share of dominant games and moments. Wally drifted in and out of games until it was really important, then he would step up and turn the game with individual brilliance, far more often then Joey (as good as he was).

And for those saying Stuart and Daley revolutionised the game with their spiral passes and tactical kicking, they didn't. Wally started that, they just took it to a new level. If they saw far, it's because they stood on the shoulders of a giant.
 

nqboy

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Sterling, Kenny, Lazarus, Clyde, Daley and Meninga, there's a few good ones they've left out.

Can someone reproduce the lists here? RLW hasn't made it up here yet.
 

mightybears

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Lewis or Johns

Yeah Wally never played in the top Australian comp during the prime/bulk of his career, but every match he played for his state over a decade [bar a handful of so so preformances-he dominated, controlled the game, he got called the king for a reason]. I give it to Johns because he performed week in, week out at club level on the main stage.
Langer was not as good as Stuart, and i saw Sterling in his prime [and a match in 86 or 87 at parra stadium where he destroyed Easts by himself], he's better than both.

It the nature of these polls that the creative-pivotal players star, that a cardio fitness tackling freak [with a record of 24 straight origin matches] who always played for 80 minutes for 10 years straight like Gary Larson didn't make the 30 reflects that. Anyone that saw Mark Graham must be wondering about the list as well. [and i don't think my red n black is clouding my judgement as Larson and Graham are the only norths players i would consider for a top 30 since 1977 bar Adrian Tooooole!]

Fittler was NOT consistently great/good for his entire career. It obviously depends how you rate him, but if you were to say that he was the most overrated player in the last 30 years, you'd wouldn't be far wrong. He is not top 10 and the cult of personality that surronds him baffles me, the bradaphiles need to get off the gear and straighten up!
 

mightybears

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The Colonel said:
1. Andrew Johns
2. Wayne Lewis
3. Brad Fittler
4. Darren Lockyer
5. Allan Langer
6. Mal Meninga
7. Peter Sterling
8. Laurie Daley
9. Brett Kenny
10. Brad Clyde
11. Mick Cronin
12. Steve Walters
13. Glenn Lazarus
14. Steve Rogers
15. Gorden Tallis
16. Shane Webcke
17. Steve Roach
18. Terry Lamb
19. Ricky Stuart
20. Ray Price
21. Andrew Ettingshausen
22. Danny Buderus
23. Johnathan Thurston
24. Cameron Smith
25. Les Boyd
26. Steve Mortimer
27. Ben Elias
28. Wayne Pearce
29. Nathan Hindmarsh
30. Cliff Lyons


Cameron Smith and Thurston should count themselves lucky to be listed ahead of players who have had probably a bigger influence over the past thirty years then they have considering the shortness of their careers. I would think that they would be shoe ins once their careers have played out and would make a similar list in another thirty years.

Greg Alexander, Michael O'Connor, Ruben Wiki, Steve Renouf, Garry Belcher, Garry Jack, Ian Roberts and a few others would have been quite unlucky to miss that list. One player who should have been there without a doubt is Mark Graham.

Fittler ahead of Langer, Daley, Kenny, Sterling, Webcke and Lazarus is highly laughable.

That O'Connor, Jack [as much as i hated him] and Larson isn't on that list is crap.
Number 15, the raging lame himself was overrated BEFORE his back injury, he is there because he is News Ltd puppet number 1, shouldn't be in a top 50.
 

nqboy

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I thought Chief was worth a spot, probably ahead of Roach and definitely ahead of Hindmarsh. Good to see Tractor rated so highly as the value of hookers is regularly underrated. I thought Tallis' rating was about right. Meninga would have been higher for mine, probably top 5 with Sterlo and Bert.

Geez, isn't there some wonderful players and memories in that lot?

Does anyone else remember RLW special on the best 40 players in RL in the early to mid 80s? That was wonderful reading.
 

Hanscholo

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Azkatro said:
Surely Meninga would have to be in the running?

Meninga was the greatest political candidate of all time, you cant be that and the best RL player of all time its selfish.
 

Hanscholo

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Ziggy the God said:
I voted for Lewis, as although he didn't have the skills of Johns, he dominated on the field.

Johns would be a sliver behind him.

To watch tape of lewis at times reminded me of johns, the big difference i find is that lewis got to have a late career and went on too long. So many people remember him standing at the play the ball pointing with an arm cast on rather than cutting attacks to pieces. Imo i think johns goalkicking got him over the line. The other abilities the two shared imo were about even. They are clearly both immortals at some stage, its just a matter of when.
 

Aaron_sfas

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the only reason johns isnt an immortal is because he only recently retired. the E thing didnt help either. i've seen lewis blow teams off the park on many occasions. no doubting his brilliance.

but johns was the complete player. composure, brilliant defence (which much of the top of the list cant boast), a good running game, inch perfect kicking game, the best passer of the ball i've seen, and to top it all off he kicked at 80%. i'd like to say johns is the best ever, but seeing as i havnt seen many from before this 30 year period, i cant justifiably do this.
 

wittyfan

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Poor old Zorba:

Ripped off
Zorba

16 February 2008

IN a stinging snub the Manly Sea Eagles have had just two players named in a list of Rugby League's 30 greatest players in the last 30 years.

The list was revealed in Rugby League Week to commemorate the kick-off to the game's Centenary Year. Manly legends Graham Eadie at number 25 and Cliff Lyons at number 30 are the only two Sea Eagles from 1978 to 2008 to make the list. The shunning of Manly players is staggering particularly the overlooking of the record-breaking champion backrower Steve Menzies.

Menzies is the greatest try-scoring forward of all time, the second highest try-scorer of all time (167), fifth all-time for first grade appearances (323), a 16-year first-grade veteran, premiership winner with 20 matches for NSW and 15 Tests for Australia.

His record is astonishing over a long period and his ability to play at the highest level as a back rower, centre or winger has made him a versatile asset to any team he has played in.

There is always healthy debate whenever sporting teams are chosen from a particular era.

The judges for the greatest team from the last 30 years were the editor of the publication, Martin Lenehan, Queensland journalist and ex-Broncos media manager Tony Durkin, former Penrith second-rower Mark Geyer, League Week journalist Tony Adams, historian David Middleton and veteran journalist Norman Tasker (who is writing Menzies' life story). Only Adams, at 22, and Tasker at 14 could find a spot in their respective 30s for the Beaver.

The others left him out completely. Players who I believe to be of far less ability and performance were preferred. One in particular can be measured by current standards Parramatta workhorse Nathan Hindmarsh. Hindmarsh is a toiler and a hard worker but sometimes one needs a court order to get the ball off him. There is nothing in a game except carting the ball into the defence that he can do better than Menzies ... and Menzies has been doing it for half the 30 years in question.

Wayne "Junior" Pearce is another backrower chosen ahead of Menzies that I would seriously question. Junior is another workhorse but in sheer ability, skill and all-round game he doesn't hold a candle to Menzies, or for that matter Ben Kennedy another glaring omission.

Kennedy would run rings around about a third of the forwards chosen but he has never treated the media with much credence and is obviously now paying the price. Chosen in Manly's greatest-ever side and Newcastle's greatest and there's no place for him in the top 30. Be serious!

Current players to get a spot in the top 30 are Johnathan Thurston (Cowboys), Cameron Smith (Melbourne), Danny Buderus (Newcastle) and Nathan Hindmarsh (Parramatta).
I have problems with many of the listings. For a start I wouldn't put Andrew Johns ahead of Wally Lewis. Brett Kenny would be a lot higher than nine and it's laughable to have Peter Sterling ahead of him at no. 7 and ahead of Terry Lamb at 18 and Steve Mortimer at 26. Mortimer could do things Sterling could only dream of.

Somewhere in the 30 I would have found a place for Menzies and Kennedy, Petero Civoniceva, Eric Grothe, Max Krilich, Craig Young, Gene Miles, Steve Renouf and Mark Graham.

Rather than simply put my views across I sought the views of long-time Australian selector, one of the original Immortals of Rugby League Week and champion Manly player and coach Bob Fulton. He described the shunning of Menzies as not in keeping with his amazing record over half the selection period.

"Menzies' record is unquestionable and stands up against anyone's," Fulton said. "He would be in my side for the last 30 years without doubt and he is a player who has adapted his game without problems to the various positions he has been called on to play.

"Selections are a matter of opinion but I find it difficult to fathom how he could be left out of any side chosen over the last 30 years."

Fulton also criticised the selection panel for overlooking of former Manly internationals and premiership captains Paul Vautin and Max Krilich.

"Both had outstanding records for Manly, Australia, Queensland and NSW respectively and haven't got a look in. It's a Manly bash-up and doesn't do the publication any good," Fulton said.

The 30 players named by RLW, in order of merit: Andrew Johns, Wally Lewis, Darren Lockyer, Allan Langer, Mal Meninga, Peter Sterling, Laurie Daley, Brett Kenny, Brad Clyde, Mick Cronin, Steve Walters, Glenn Lazarus, Steve Rogers, Gorden Tallis, Shane Webcke, Steve Roach, Terry Lamb, Ricky Stuart, Ray Price, Andrew Ettingshausen, Danny Buderus, Johnathan Thurston, Cameron Smith, Graham Eadie, Steve Mortimer, Ben Elias, Wayne Pearce, Nathan Hindmarsh, Cliffy Lyons.

Source: http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/02/16/8776_sports.html
 

simon says

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Mortimer doing things that Sterlo could dream of............WTF????


Sterlo is close to the best in the last 30 and a future immortal IMO.

Mortimer was a top player but surely nowhere near the class of Sterlo.

He has sour grapes and he is trying to get some crediblity by showing other supposed mistakes......but that one is ridiculous.
 

nqboy

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Well then Zorba, let's see your Top 30 so I can take aim.

Menzies has a good argument, I'd have to look a lot closer to decide whether he'd make my side. BTW, LOL at listing him as a winger, that's really reaching for an argument.
 

Green Machine

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The list is joke. Rugby League Week is a joke. Lewis is the best footballer I’ve ever seen. Langer was the most dominate footballer of the 90’s and only at best, should have Sterling and Johns above him on a top 30 list.
 

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