Round 8 vs Roosters

[Walpole]

Geez this is a depressing place sometimes.

Imagine the doom and gloom around here if we lose another game.

 

[MilanDragon]

Maybe not burnout, but maybe the fact that we start well, but then opposition teams work out our game plan and counter it, but Mary being Mary refuses to admit that what was working early in the season is no longer working and will not change it.

The player then get discouraged and loose hope.

As for smarter use of minuites, I'll ask Sele how it feels to sit on the bench the whole game, see what he thinks about this "smarter" use of the bench.

At least Sele isn’t at risk of burnout!!. although he did play in ISP - can’t quite work that one out.

I think your first paragraph is close to on the money with other teams working us out

 

[MilanDragon]

Burnouts, no game plan, poor bench use, Friz is flat, Vaughan is quiet, Dufty is Shit, Aitken can’t pass, Latimore’s a plodder, Sack Mary etc.

FMD we’re 6-1. We’re going really, really well.

There’s always improvement, we all have our expert opinions - mine’s Nighty needs to be replaced asap by Mann, Lomax or Field.

But honestly it’s not 2015, 16 or 17 we’re a much better team this year. Mary and co aren’t L platers anymore. The team and coaches were outsmarted last week not outplayed - it happens to the best in footy. Aitken made Inglis look like a rookie yet I’d love to have Inglis.

Let’s see how we go tomorrow, and the next few weeks but even beyond that there’s 17 games to go and they’re killing it.

I think we’re going very well and will continue to go very well.

Wait, wait, wait!! You mean to say it’s not all doom and gloom? For Christ’s sake have you not been watching us for the last 7 weeks. It’s like you’ve been on another planet.

 

[possm]

Wait, wait, wait!! You mean to say it’s not all doom and gloom? For Christ’s sake have you not been watching us for the last 7 weeks. It’s like you’ve been on another planet.

Mary should have Agar consult with him on the attacking plan every 6 rounds. That way we could stay ahead of the opposition.

 

[Alec's-saints]

host plays his first game of the year on anzac day. interesting!

 

[2010]

I think we still have visions of history repeating and we fall into the same quagmire of last season.
Our team was flat last week and Vaughan, Frizell and JDB failed to repeat earlier form. There was a virus going around and maybe we were not 100%.
McIdiot might have the side he wanted. But I still have reservations about his use of the bench and having a plan B.
He had to see that the Warriors ambushed us and should have a plan to offset them.
Let’s see how we go against the roosters.

 

[ouryears]

Geez this is a depressing place sometimes.

Imagine the doom and gloom around here if we lose another game.

Yep, if we go 6-2 with storm and rabbits just around the corner waiting in their dens, Mary and Co would want to hide.

We need this one!

Demand excellence, get excellence.

I am confident we will shake the RoRters off

 

[BennyV]

I will never understand the bench rotation of props today, and all teams do it.
I don't see the point of taking your starting props off after 25 minutes and leaving them off for the starting ten minuites of the second half.
Surely you want your two best props on the feild to start the second half, they have had a rest, get them back on.

I'm not a coach, therefore have the credentials to coach the Dragons, but I would have two second rowers play the 80, JDB and Frizzell can do this, then rotate Graham, Vaughn and Simms on and off for 15 min stints.

The idea of bringing your starting props back on 15-20 minutes into the second half is to reduce interchanges. You rotate your props around the 20 minute mark (depending on the flow of the game and fitness, could be up to 25-30 mins) and then your bench props play out the half, get a break at halftime, then pump out another 20 minutes after halftime to be replaced by the starting props. (Ideally this is all done in 20 minute blocks, but changes depending on ability and fitness of those props). Therefore, 4 interchanges used for the prop rotation.

Bringing your starting props back on to start the second half wastes 2 interchanges that aren't needed, meaning you've blown 6 interchanges on your prop rotation for the same result.

 

[ALSGI]

FMD, 6 other coaches didn’t have the smarts to beat the Warriors, they have had some luck, played very well and are on a roll again after losing to the Broncos the week before.

We’re on a roll too, going really well, we have a quality squad and I’m really excited about tomorrow.

We are better than the Rorters.

FMD you’d think we already lost the next few games the way people go on.......because we did last year.

Get on board people, we are a bloody good team this year and have the opposition worried.

 

[Frank Facer]

FMD, 6 other coaches didn’t have the smarts to beat the Warriors, they have had some luck, played very well and are on a roll again after losing to the Broncos the week before.

We’re on a roll too, going really well, we have a quality squad and I’m really excited about tomorrow.

We are better than the Rorters.

FMD you’d think we already lost the next few games the way people go on.......because we did last year.

Get on board people, we are a bloody good team this year and have the opposition worried.

We must have some of the most negative supporters in history, on this site. It is almost like they want us to fail, just so that they can be proven correct?

 

[ouryears]

FMD, 6 other coaches didn’t have the smarts to beat the Warriors, they have had some luck, played very well and are on a roll again after losing to the Broncos the week before.

We’re on a roll too, going really well, we have a quality squad and I’m really excited about tomorrow.

We are better than the Rorters.

FMD you’d think we already lost the next few games the way people go on.......because we did last year.

Get on board people, we are a bloody good team this year and have the opposition worried.

Half of 2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017

My grand son is almost 7 now,

And he hasn't seen a good 3 months out of our team since being on planet Earth.

That explains the apprehension

And fear / doubt / negativity

 

[2010]

Hunt needs to have a big one. So do our forwards and dare I say better use of the bench

 

[ouryears]

We must have some of the most negative supporters in history, on this site. It is almost like they want us to fail, just so that they can be proven correct?

Ha, I lived through SOME of the 1956 to 1966 era, 9 yrs without a loss at Jubilee.....imagine 9 years without a home loss.

And winning % of around 85% across 11 years.

Imagine that Frank.

That also explains some of my need for success.

But support this great club.

I sure do!

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

Mary should have Agar consult with him on the attacking plan every 6 rounds. That way we could stay ahead of the opposition.

Maybe he should have someone cosulting with him during the game, perhaps they could have whispered in his ear during the Warriors game "gee, those high balls ain't working, maybe we should try something different?"

 

[The Damo]

Well if it's not burnout what is it?
What happened last year when we lost so many games with the season in the line.
You can't blame Widdops injury because even when he came back we kept losing.
Why do we start seasons so well and end up going backwards?

We only started last year well, the year before we were shite all year. Last year was both the mental resilience that Ouryear detailed so well. And hugely was that McCrones form turned garbage, particularly his kicking game. To a lesser extent was packer not recapturing his early season form, losing aitken, the various injuries and travails of Dugan etc...All of which were not handled as well as they should have been by the coaching staff.

 

[ouryears]

Maybe he should have someone cosulting with him during the game, perhaps they could have whispered in his ear during the Warriors game "gee, those high balls ain't working, maybe we should try something different?"

And don't forget someone to scream out in Mary's ear....

"They are in our faces, so get our boys in their faces too, tell them to stand off side so the refs get sick of it all and stop the offside!!

And Mary, we better get the word out to Benny Hunt and Widdop to put some kicks in behind the bas###ds.

"They won't be able to turn and chase quick enough"

Oh, and let Dufty know whats going to happen so he is ready to chase, Nene too!

But nahhhhh, let's just watch it unfolding and hope something else happens.

Even in our under 14s the ball players and the leaders in the team are told throughout the game what changes they need to make based on what is happening in the middle.

And it doesn't wait till half time.

The players with great vision see it and take action without having to be told.... but most players need a push to implement the change to alter the course of the game if something is going wrong.

Its part of coaching.
Raise the issue and fix the problem before it's too late during the game. Not after.

 

[True_Believer]

Also by adding Mann as a go fix if utility playing just about every position now adds that extra 5 mins break for the forwards.
I agree burn out shouldnt he our issue, however, injury is, and McGregor really needs to have reserves that are hardened and ready which IMO they're not.
The drop between our current forwarx pack and those in ISP is enormous just need to watch replays of our ISP in action to confirm this.
Host is going to be a very good player but needs minutes and a bit more mongrel in his game. He's also not a prop.
Sele also is not a prop and plays more like a lock.
Lawrie and Kerr still need ISP development time.
Allgood and Latimore are just plodders and add no starch.
So, who is left to fill that void?
I have a sad feeling we will need to find out soon enough

Finally. Someone who can see the roster issues. It's all well and good to say "throw the youngsters in and rotate them on the bench", but, like you DS, I don't see any youngsters putting their hands up to take their spot on the bench. And as you said, Host and Sele are either edge back rowers or locks. 2 positions we don't need to fill at the moment. I daresay the coaching team see it the same way - hence players either not making the bench or not getting game time.

From what I have seen of Lawrie and Kerr in ISP (which admittedly isn't much) I'd agree that they need more time to develop and I just don't see them or the team benefiting from having them on the bench. Realistically, if they think they can just get game time in first grade by performing average in ISP, it sends the wrong message.

Additionally, I've heard that Lomax isn't quite ready to step up.

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

We must have some of the most negative supporters in history, on this site. It is almost like they want us to fail, just so that they can be proven correct?

1 premiership over 39 years. 1.
Do you really think anyone here should be doing cartwheels over winning the first 6 games of the season.
That's even without considering the debacles we have seen over the last 8 years.

It's called realisim and managing expectations.

 

[True_Believer]

And don't forget someone to scream out in Mary's ear....

"They are in our faces, so get our boys in their faces too, tell them to stand off side so the refs get sick of it all and stop the offside!!

And Mary, we better get the word out to Benny Hunt and Widdop to put some kicks in behind the bas###ds.

"They won't be able to turn and chase quick enough"

Oh, and let Dufty know whats going to happen so he is ready to chase, Nene too!

But nahhhhh, let's just watch it unfolding and hope something else happens.

Do we even have anyone running out on the field ala Alfie? I'm sure we could benefit from someone with a bit of footy nouse running the water occasionally.

 

[ouryears]

Do we even have anyone running out on the field ala Alfie? I'm sure we could benefit from someone with a bit of footy nouse running the water occasionally.

Hey mate you might be right, I must take a good squizz tomorrow and see if and who it is.