Storm 09/12?

[I bleed blue & gold]

OMG, he called us losers!

 

[84 Baby]

If you believe us fans wern't furious at the club, it's players and officials in the aftermath of 2010, you are badly misinformed. Many i know considered giving the club and the game away, you will never know what we went through as fans, we need this us against the world mentality, because it literally is us against the world. Look at this thread mate, can't you see why so many storm fans have to fight and scrap to get their opinion heard? Granted i lay the boot in from time to time but i only give as good as i get.

I just think the whole thing would have gone away a lot quicker and there'd be a whole lot more respect if the mentality wasn't taken up from the get go. I'm still keen to hear how you and any other Storm supporters feel about the 2003 and 2004 seasons

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

You won the comp with 3 of the best players in the game, hats off to you. Like you said, you are the best and anyone who tries to deny that are mad. People are always going to be pissed about what your team did, i still am, but im sure in time i will get over it just like most others. If Parra EVER win the comp, i won't be worrying what anyone says, ill be out living it up, celebrating.

 

[84 Baby]

The Bulldogs knocked us out in the semi's in 2004 if memory serves me correctly, I'll admit I was dirty when the dogs originally got caught, but to see them go from 1st to last and lose all their points I actually thought was a fitting punishment, but when they won in in 04 not once did i ever think "they still have players from an illegally assembled squad" Because i knew that at that point, in that game, we were beaten by a team who had served their punishment and were now playing by the rules. My thoughts on the salary cap in general are not really relevant but I think paying someone abit of extra money whilst cheating is not as bad as other things like match fixing (Tandy, Juventus, Pakistan Cricket), Intentionally hurting people for contract bonuses (New Orleans Saints), Even dog acts like James Graham biting Billy Slater but none are as scrutinised as much as the salary cap. Its a joke anyway, pretty much your allowed to cheat the cap but aslong as its not by too much, every year 5 or 6 teams get done for going over by afew hunderd thousand, they cop a fine, no one batts an eyelid. Does it matter if you start the hundred metre dash at the 90 or the 50 metre line? your still cheating. Parramatta have breached several times, technically you're cheats too, it's all a farce if you ask me.

Agreed on most points. At least you don't use it as justification. Most clubs go over because the workers behind the scenes don't get the pay matching the players on the park, there f**k-ups by management and accountants because they aren't skilled enough rather than dodgy dealings.

At the end of the day, I get where Melbourne are coming from but they need to let it go as much as the rest of us (moreso the media) because next Melbourne supporter to say "they can't steal this one from us", will have my boot in their face. I would have accepted the premiership out of happiness, relief, pride rather than animosity and egotism.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

If you believe us fans wern't furious at the club, it's players and officials in the aftermath of 2010, you are badly misinformed. Many i know considered giving the club and the game away, you will never know what we went through as fans, we need this us against the world mentality, because it literally is us against the world. Look at this thread mate, can't you see why so many storm fans have to fight and scrap to get their opinion heard? Granted i lay the boot in from time to time but i only give as good as i get.

An you will never know the pain and anger of Eels fans who's heroes were robbed of a legitimate chance at a Premiership from between 2006 and 2009 by you club and its over developed roster. Night just Hindmarsh, Burt, Cayless but blokes like Widders, Morrison, Tim Smith, Daniel Wagon, Grothe jnr, Paul Stringer and a raft of other players. All because your team was cheating the entire competition.

Do you remember the game in 2010, where after the Salary cap scandal was announced and your team came to Parramatta Stadium. It was a war. Something the storm weren?t expecting. You know why? Because they thought they were hard done by, not the rest of the league.
You will never know the anguish and hate we have for your club and everything it stands for, because you believe your clubs players and your clubs fans were the only victims.

Your opinions are like our opinions tainted by your personal experience.

Let me put it to you this way. Would it have been harder to rebuild your club if say the NRL at the end of the 2010 season declared an Open Season on your club, Every one of the players at the Storm had to sign with another NRL club, and every NRL club had to give up 1 - 2 players of the same value they signed a Storm players for to move to Melbourne. Complete fresh sheet. Maybe you would have been allowed to keep Slater, but apart from that clean sheet. Do you think you would have won this premiership? If you are honest with me, you will say no.

So just like the Bulldogs 2004 premiership, it might be legitimate, it might feel like redemption to you, but for the other 15 clubs it will stick in our claw, the premiership from 2006 onwards is tainted while your side continues to maintain any "stars" that were at the club during that period.

When Smith, Cronk and Slater retire or leave the storm, they might have some semblance of respect for your club, like I used to when I would travel to Melbourne to see the Storm play, when I cheered them in the 1999 premiership, when I saw what effort was being put in to league in Victoria, but until then you and Most of Queensland are gloating over cheating the rest of the league out of a legitimate shot.

 

[hineyrulz]

Any time a storm fan tries to talk about anything all we cop is cheats cheats cheats! You think fans are just going to lie down and cop it forever?

Cheats!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Any time a storm fan tries to talk about anything all we cop is cheats cheats cheats! You think fans are just going to lie down and cop it forever?

You'll cop it forever from Eels fans because your shit club knocked us out of the finals three times in the four years you were cheating.

Can you understand we have a special hatred against you? Since 2005 the only team to have beaten us in the finals is Melbourne. Those years were the last chance for Hindmarsh, Cayless and Burt to win a premiership, and you cheating merkins stole that chance.

We will never forget.

 

[oldmancraigy]

1. I've never once claimed to understand what you fans went through, like you said i have my own personal experiences and i can try to have empathy but i will never really know the pain (Granted we were knocked out by the Dogs in 04 but they are 2 completely different circumstances)

2. Are you saying our entire squad should have been cleaned out an be made up from talent from other clubs who don't really want to be there? Value for value we have 3 600k players on our books, thanks for Thurston, Barba and Farah, I still say we would have a shot at the title. Its silly to try and imagine any of this because its all conjecture, we will never know sadly, same way you will never be able to definatively say you would have won the comp in 09 (And yes i'm aware you robbed of the chance, all clubs were sadly)

3. I think 2012 proved that we were good enough to win it without cheating, i was hoping that would give some fans from other clubs closure, many players envy our culture and work ethic, storm fans are sick of hearing that money and not hard work are why were are the best, 2012 proves otherwise.

4. I don't blame any Eels fans who hate the storm, but when you still label our 2nd legitimate premiership with all this salary cap bulls*** after the years we went through, it stings storm fans and will provoke reactions like mine. I know you hate to hear it, but we won this one playing by the rules, and weather you think the sanctions or penalties handed down by the NRL were too lenient or plain wrong doesn't matter, we played by the rules and served our punishment, got back to working hard and playing footy and we won, that's the black and white of it, how can you begrudge us that? We done everything asked of us to vindicate ourselves and its still not enough, seriously what do you want us to do just give up and ask for a harsher penalty?

The point is, it's "legit" as far as the penalties imposed. The very basic premise behind this thread is that the squad wasn't put together legally.

Sure, you say have 3 600k players on your books. What was the value of their illegal contracts and why weren't you forced to pay them at that rate, or lose them? This is the sticking point right here.

Example:
Penrith have been fairly mediocre for a number of years. The next 5 years they spend $8m per year acquiring all the best youngsters, buying selective named players, and turning themselves into a very competitive outfit. For examples sake, let's say they win a premiership in that time.
Uh oh - they get caught and stripped of the comp and forced to play for 0 comp points in the current season.
What are the players going to do? (who may or may not have been involved, but considering they all signed 2 contracts, let's tar them just a little bit) How many of them will take a pay cut to stay at "this great club" and have their chance at a premiership? And why should the Panthers be allowed to re-negotiate the illegal contracts to NOW make them fit? For 5 years they've kept this talent away from other clubs and now that there's a shot at a premiership, these guys will take a 1 or 2 year paycut (hey, they already got their cash over that 5 year period - let's get the premiership to rub everyone's nose in it).


This is kind of how it panned out with the Dogs and the Storm. If you can't see why other clubs fans think you're "cheats" then here's the tip: just ignore it for the next 5 years and we'll acknowledge you're legal again. But don't expect it to go away until the core of the problem is dealt with (the illegally retained players vanish).

But whether or not you want to admit it, something stinks about the way both those comps were won (2004 and 2012).



To be completely honest, the top 4 clubs were like the evil conglomeration this season. Dogs, Souths, Manly and Cheats. Some scumbags were going to win the premiership, at least I can be thankful it was the Storm because it's good for the game as a whole!!!

 

[Parra Pride]

Mate I really couldn't give a f**k about your 2012 premiership, I care about the fact you beat us in a Grand Final, beat us in a Grand Final qualifier, beat us in the first week of the finals, all by small margins I might add and with some dodgy ref calls thrown in for good measure, while your team was massively cheating the cap, robbing some of our club legends of a shot at a premiership in the process. I don't care if the team, you or any other fan think you've served your punishment, your team can go get f**ked.

#CheatingScum

 

[oldmancraigy]

You'll cop it forever from Eels fans because your shit club knocked us out of the finals three times in the four years you were cheating.

Can you understand we have a special hatred against you? Since 2005 the only team to have beaten us in the finals is Melbourne. Those years were the last chance for Hindmarsh, Cayless and Burt to win a premiership, and you cheating merkins stole that chance.

We will never forget.

Let's get the coins ready for next season at Parra stadium!

 

[MarkInTheStands]

1. I've never once claimed to understand what you fans went through, like you said i have my own personal experiences and i can try to have empathy but i will never really know the pain (Granted we were knocked out by the Dogs in 04 but they are 2 completely different circumstances)

No but you claimed we didn't know what you guys went through. Just providing an different slight on you comment.

2. Are you saying our entire squad should have been cleaned out an be made up from talent from other clubs who don't really want to be there? Value for value we have 3 600k players on our books, thanks for Thurston, Barba and Farah, I still say we would have a shot at the title. Its silly to try and imagine any of this because its all conjecture, we will never know sadly, same way you will never be able to definatively say you would have won the comp in 09 (And yes i'm aware you robbed of the chance, all clubs were sadly)

Is Melbourne really that bad? And I would have said like for like on the contract money they were "reportedly" getting not the cash you were playing them. Kiss the ideal of Thurston and Farah goodbye.

We will not claim the 2009 premiership, we didn't win it, we didn't get to celebrate it, it isn't ours. You got to celebrate it; you got to build on it, you got to feel that release we Parramatta fans can only dream of for over 30 years. However you did it while cheating and that hurts us all.

3. I think 2012 proved that we were good enough to win it without cheating, i was hoping that would give some fans from other clubs closure, many players envy our culture and work ethic, storm fans are sick of hearing that money and not hard work are why were are the best, 2012 proves otherwise.

I am sorry but no, your players do have a work ethic, and did during the years you cheated, but it is like a drugs cheat. They might be out of competition for 2 years but as long as they keep training they retain that edge over other clean athletes. The Storm Big three only got as good as they did together because of the roster they had around them. Your club did do a lot of hard work in 2006 - 2010 and beyond, but it was still easier for your club because of what happened and the talent you attracted.

4. I don't blame any Eels fans who hate the storm, but when you still label our 2nd legitimate premiership with all this salary cap bulls*** after the years we went through, it stings storm fans and will provoke reactions like mine. I know you hate to hear it, but we won this one playing by the rules, and weather you think the sanctions or penalties handed down by the NRL were too lenient or plain wrong doesn't matter, we played by the rules and served our punishment, got back to working hard and playing footy and we won, that's the black and white of it, how can you begrudge us that? We done everything asked of us to vindicate ourselves and its still not enough, seriously what do you want us to do just give up and ask for a harsher penalty?

It?s supposed to sting you, you might have a good hard look at it from an objective base, and think did our club really earn that. You honestly believe that you did, but most of the rest of us don't think you were punished enough and you are still benefiting from the cheating era. How can I begrudge you that? Easy, your club cheated us out of 5 years or more of legitimate footy. Your club cheated the competition. We were lead to believe the Storm were the benchmark for league, that wrestling was the way to win, that a grapple was the best idea that your club and coach were like a factory line for producing greatness, when in reality it was all a lie. For 5 years or more you weren?t playing fairly, and your club and anything it wins until your roster is cleansed of all players involved during those years will continue to carry that taint for league followers everywhere.

I am a lucky man, I go around to most grounds and I can talk to people from many clubs, I know followers of 5 different clubs that I spoke to after the grand final in the Gold Members lounge at ANZ Stadium, and all of us were suspicious of this grand final win.

Sorry mate it is the old adage, Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me.

BTW years? 30 months, is not "years" and if you had beaten the Warriors last year you might have short circuited that by 12 months. Come back an talk to me when "years" is more than 5 years. Like 30 years or so.

 

[Elektrik Shock]

Mate I really couldn't give a f**k about your 2012 premiership, I care about the fact you beat us in a Grand Final, beat us in a Grand Final qualifier, beat us in the first week of the finals, all by small margins I might add and with some dodgy ref calls thrown in for good measure, while your team was massively cheating the cap, robbing some of our club legends of a shot at a premiership in the process. I don't care if the team, you or any other fan think you've served your punishment, your team can go get f**ked.

#CheatingScum

Fair enough, atleast you aknowledged we won the 2012 premiership, that was my only problem with this thread mate.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Never asked you to forget mate, originally I commented on this thread because certain Eels fans were questioning the legitamacy of our 2012 premiership. I honestly don't blame you guys for having a strong hatred for Melbourne, but to act like they didn't win a premiership this year beacuse of what happened in the past is going to meet some reaction from opposing fans.

To act like the past hasn't contributed towards this year is going to bring even more hatred from opposing fans.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

We have no option but to have this "us vs them" mentality mate, the RL world makes sure of that. I think storm fans want to move on as much as anyone, but when it keeps getting brought up, especailly days following our 2nd legitimate title, it is going to anger some fans. I find the vast majority are long over it in the general population, it seems just a handful of Eels fans cant let go, and you know what? That's fine with me, because all it is going to do is lead them down a long windy road which has a dead end. I sincerley apologize for what the Storm did to your club and the rest of the NRL, but I'm looking forward now, and our future is brighter than ever.

I understand this mate, but it's not just others stoking the fire. For everyone else to let it go, the players themselves need to move on, not keep coming out and saying "We still believe we won those two comps fair and square" "Try prying this ring from my hands" etc.

 

[hineyrulz]

Mate I really couldn't give a f**k about your 2012 premiership, I care about the fact you beat us in a Grand Final, beat us in a Grand Final qualifier, beat us in the first week of the finals, all by small margins I might add and with some dodgy ref calls thrown in for good measure, while your team was massively cheating the cap, robbing some of our club legends of a shot at a premiership in the process. I don't care if the team, you or any other fan think you've served your punishment, your team can go get f**ked.

#CheatingScum

This x100000000000.

It's sad his team wins the comp and he still hangs around here like a bad smell. I suppose there is no one to celebrate with in the Storm forum they have like around 6 fans who can operate a computer. Scary to think this is one of the smarter ones. While ever the big 3 Cheats play for Melbourne they will continue to benefit from rorting the cap.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Fair enough, atleast you aknowledged we won the 2012 premiership, that was my only problem with this thread mate.

Yeah - he's acknowledging you won it



BY CHEATING

 

[hineyrulz]

I repeat, go play in traffic f***wit. See everyone else having a rational discussion? Then there's you popping up like an unwanted guest dribbling sh*t, stop embarassing yourself.

:lol:

 

[LESStar58]

I'm still filthy at the former administration. Sure, I love the Storm. But outside of that there is something I love even more; the game of rugby league. The former administration ruined the game. I found an old article the other day where Chris Anderson said that what bought it all on was the fact that Waldron was a blow in from the AFL and didn't have any respect for the game of rugby league itself. I personally think this is a pretty fair call.

I'm also a fan who refuses to acknowledge 2007 and 2009. The culprits are cleaned out and everyone can speculate on player involvement/knowledge as much as they want. The day they can actually prove it, I'd be the first to call for them to get the arse from the club and be banned for life.

In the meantime, 2012 is in the books and is staying there and by Christ I'm gonna enjoy it!

 

[MarkInTheStands]

In the meantime, 2012 is in the books and is staying there and by Christ I'm gonna enjoy it!

For now. We will see how this story plays out in the years ahead.

 

[Elektrik Shock]

I'm still filthy at the former administration. Sure, I love the Storm. But outside of that there is something I love even more; the game of rugby league. The former administration ruined the game. I found an old article the other day where Chris Anderson said that what bought it all on was the fact that Waldron was a blow in from the AFL and didn't have any respect for the game of rugby league itself. I personally think this is a pretty fair call.

I'm also a fan who refuses to acknowledge 2007 and 2009. The culprits are cleaned out and everyone can speculate on player involvement/knowledge as much as they want. The day they can actually prove it, I'd be the first to call for them to get the arse from the club and be banned for life.

In the meantime, 2012 is in the books and is staying there and by Christ I'm gonna enjoy it!

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