The Forbidden Game-insightful book on what has & can happen

[Perth Red]

Maybe because it is dry July? Not enough drunken posting going on?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Maybe because it is dry July? Not enough drunken posting going on?

For sure, and on this issue outside any Perth team, I agree entirely.

MU said nothing wrong at all, he put his perspective across, and some disagreed.

That's what a forum is for, great debate (outside my other post where I thought it'd go right off) but non the less, good thread!

 

[thorson1987]

This thread hasn't lived up to my expectations, usually this type of thread goes right off, guess we're all slipping in our old age.

Needs to be in TFC for that.

 

[taipan]

That certain posters are trying to rewrite history to suit their own agenda by ignoring certain facts.

Who is trying to rewrite history?.The facts have been spelt out on this thread,with no punches pulled or sugar coating ,or hiding the facts.What facts have been ignored?
Because some schools prefer such and such a code?That has happened in Oz/NZ/UK for yonks in both codes.
The agenda for this thread was about the Forbidden Game
in France.
Every code on this planet,has had some black mark against it in some small way.I know of no other that has deliberately lobbied a Govt to have another banned and assets stolen.

 

[madunit]

The agenda for this thread was about the wrongs union has done to league, using the Vichy decision to delete RL as an example.

 

[taipan]

Never suggested otherwise.About"the Forbidden game."History happened and still happening.
My comment was in response to the rewriting history BS.

 

[magpie4ever]

Never suggested otherwise.About"the Forbidden game."History happened and still happening.
My comment was in response to the rewriting history BS.

Where is the BS when some posters on here refused to accept examples of League wronging Union. The facts were provided and these posters would not accept them, saying League was as pure as virgin snow.

As said, this is not to deny the wrong Union has done to League over the years and still does in some countries.

 

[LJC]

I will state it now, again, clearly. I am saying League has attacked Union's ranks as well. I know those attacks aren't on the same level as Union's attacks on League. That's a very immature and ignorant way to look at what I posted. I posted facts to show that League hasn't always been a victim. I'm amazed that so many people got so offended about facts. Again, I wasn't comparing the severity of incidents. Just stating facts of League attacking Union's ranks.

Union is no longer the most popular Rugby game in Australia and hasn't been for a very long time, so it could very well be argued that League has had a more significant impact on Union's ranks than people believe.

if people can admit and agree that league has attacked Union's ranks, then why, when I point out these facts that you suggest they know, did they call me an apologist and criticise my passion for the game?

MU

We are talking about something a bit more far reaching than petty shots at a game.

This is a freedom of choice rights issue.

It is extremely concerning that you have twisted your argument to somehow have RL as an aggressor where the overwhelming evidence suggest otherwise. The French example is a very good one and there are many others.

RL on the world scale does struggle and it is not because it is a bad sport. In fact it is(RL) a superior form of rugby without any doubt to this writer.The older form of rugby is well and truly doing its utmost to hold this great game of ours back!

 

[magpie4ever]

MU

We are talking about something a bit more far reaching than petty shots at a game.

This is a freedom of choice rights issue.

It is extremely concerning that you have twisted your argument to somehow have RL as an aggressor where the overwhelming evidence suggest otherwise. The French example is a very good one and there are many others.

RL on the world scale does struggle and it is not because it is a bad sport. In fact it is(RL) a superior form of rugby without any doubt to this writer.The older form of rugby is well and truly doing its utmost to hold this great game of ours back!

As said previosly, if you feel that strongly about the human rights issues (Russia etc) demand that the IRLB take it to the world court.

 

[madunit]

MU

We are talking about something a bit more far reaching than petty shots at a game.

This is a freedom of choice rights issue.

It is extremely concerning that you have twisted your argument to somehow have RL as an aggressor where the overwhelming evidence suggest otherwise. The French example is a very good one and there are many others.

RL on the world scale does struggle and it is not because it is a bad sport. In fact it is(RL) a superior form of rugby without any doubt to this writer.The older form of rugby is well and truly doing its utmost to hold this great game of ours back!

okay, I'm going to do this for the last time.

I will make it easy for you okay.

Please answer this question:
Do you understand what I mean when I say this:

I simply, clearly and repeatedly explained my point that league has wronged Union, citing facts of events that happened.
I simply, clearly and repeatedly stated that by no means were League's wrongs on Union equal to what Union had done to League.

If you understand, please respond with "yes"

If you do not understand, please respond with "no"

Given your avoidance of the other line of questioning you directed at me, regarding my love of Rugby League, I assume you admit you were wrong to question me in that regard.

I'm a reasonable bloke, I won't demand you to apologise or admit to your error.

 

[Knownothing]

The only things holding rugby league back are its own inept administration, lack of vision, the unhealthy dominance of Australia, and the name "rugby".


If people really want rugby league to prosper internationally, they (and the game) will have to make some sacrifices.

Get real. Do not blame other people for your own shortcomings. Understand that short-term success does not always lead to long-term prosperity.


Ensure that there is a credible, widely supported, fully funded, international governing body, which the NRL will agree to support financially and in all other ways. No local rules, either.


Further, if you want a game that is genuinely viable nationally in Australia, face the simple fact that State of Origin, as fabulous a sporting and financial bonanza as it is, actually works against the game's best national interests. Why would a kid growing up in Melbourne want to play for the Storm, when it means that he is giving up the chance of playing at the game's highest possible level? Ditto Perth, if that is the next expansion franchise. There will never be a States of Origin, will there?


Cleaning up the game on and off the field is well under way, and if the trend continues, maybe the GPS schools will facilitate a competition eventually. But that depends on the parents, mainly. Not on the IRB, or the ARU, or any other rugby union bogeyman.

When the codes split it was inevitable that there would be animosity. A lot of it was class-based, and the opposition to rugby league is still class-based, to a large extent. The way to overcome that opposition is not to oppose it, but to glide around it.


Fighting the battles of the past is counter-productive. The Vichy regime was a regrettable episode in French history, but its wrongs were far greater than discrimination against a sport. People were persecuted, and transported to their deaths just for being Jews, communists, or homosexuals. The French people seem to have moved on. So should all rugby league supporters.

Conflict between the codes today is hardly surprising. It's called "competition", by the way. Most of the countries where discrimination is said to be occurring have a legal system. If the game is being treated unfairly, then the promoters, administrators, players, supporters, etc, should take legal action.


As for the name "rugby", if it is changed, the whole debate changes.

 

[taipan]

Where is the BS when some posters on here refused to accept examples of League wronging Union. The facts were provided and these posters would not accept them, saying League was as pure as virgin snow.

As said, this is not to deny the wrong Union has done to League over the years and still does in some countries.

Where is the rewriting of history? I have not seen anyone here suggest rugby league is pure. A bit of tooing and froing about what schools did what.Small fry stuff.

 

[taipan]

The only things holding rugby league back are its own inept administration, lack of vision, the unhealthy dominance of Australia, and the name "rugby".


If people really want rugby league to prosper internationally, they (and the game) will have to make some sacrifices.

Get real. Do not blame other people for your own shortcomings. Understand that short-term success does not always lead to long-term prosperity.


Ensure that there is a credible, widely supported, fully funded, international governing body, which the NRL will agree to support financially and in all other ways. No local rules, either.


Further, if you want a game that is genuinely viable nationally in Australia, face the simple fact that State of Origin, as fabulous a sporting and financial bonanza as it is, actually works against the game's best national interests. Why would a kid growing up in Melbourne want to play for the Storm, when it means that he is giving up the chance of playing at the game's highest possible level? Ditto Perth, if that is the next expansion franchise. There will never be a States of Origin, will there?


Cleaning up the game on and off the field is well under way, and if the trend continues, maybe the GPS schools will facilitate a competition eventually. But that depends on the parents, mainly. Not on the IRB, or the ARU, or any other rugby union bogeyman.

When the codes split it was inevitable that there would be animosity. A lot of it was class-based, and the opposition to rugby league is still class-based, to a large extent. The way to overcome that opposition is not to oppose it, but to glide around it.


Fighting the battles of the past is counter-productive. The Vichy regime was a regrettable episode in French history, but its wrongs were far greater than discrimination against a sport. People were persecuted, and transported to their deaths just for being Jews, communists, or homosexuals. The French people seem to have moved on. So should all rugby league supporters.

Conflict between the codes today is hardly surprising. It's called "competition", by the way. Most of the countries where discrimination is said to be occurring have a legal system. If the game is being treated unfairly, then the promoters, administrators, players, supporters, etc, should take legal action.


As for the name "rugby", if it is changed, the whole debate changes.

I agree with the bulk of your message.But FHS bringing in what happened to the Jews etc ,is a bit much.
We are discussing a sport in France.The 2002 Commission into Sport under Vichy spelt it out clearly,who was responsible for rl's demise,and the effects til the end of the 20th century,hardly a brief period.

The French rl had Francs 300,000 in the bank,that was purloined.Is it not reasonable to assume nah expect after a govt acknowledgement that the money should be handed over into today's values.Then prhaps rl in that country could get ahead and aim to be more competitive with the rest of the rl community.
If battles for the past had not been made,the commission would not have made the decision it did,nor the code regaining its name in that country.
The French Govt should make reparations for the money taken,and the case would be closed.

Is it not surprising when rl gets a fair go in many countries now,it is able to grow the game.

Since when has playing rl in non Qld and NSW stopped kids from taking the game up because of SOO.Ask kids who play rl in NZ or even the Storm.Not having an NRL team is the biggest bugbear.

Getting the game into GPS and Associated schools depends on their sporting councils.There are many kids who go to these schools from the bush,with a rl background.It happened when I was at Trinity G.

 

[magpie4ever]

Where is the rewriting of history? I have not seen anyone here suggest rugby league is pure. A bit of tooing and froing about what schools did what.Small fry stuff.

I suggest you reread all the posts again with a unbias mind.

Trinty grammar, hey. Stood on a few of those boaters, accidentially of course.

 

[taipan]

I suggest you reread all the posts again with a unbias mind.

Trinty grammar, hey. Stood on a few of those boaters, accidentially of course.

I am always unbiased.
I got the flow of the thread.That's what I based my view on.

Funnily enough got out of having a boater,just those flipping felt hats and khaki shorts in summer.
And I squashed that hat, so that it looked like a glorified pancake.Never wore it in the train.

 

[magpie4ever]

I am always unbiased.
I got the flow of the thread.That's what I based my view on.

Funnily enough got out of having a boater,just those flipping felt hats and khaki shorts in summer.
And I squashed that hat, so that it looked like a glorified pancake.Never wore it in the train.

What year did the boaters go by the wayside?

Ex-Lewisham Christian Brothers boy.

 

[taipan]

What year did the boaters go by the wayside?

Ex-Lewisham Christian Brothers boy.

They were still around after I left.Ít wasn't compulsory to wear boaters ,as long as you had the alternative felt one.
I figured the felt ones were more macho.:sarcasm:

 

[magpie4ever]

They were still around after I left.Ít wasn't compulsory to wear boaters ,as long as you had the alternative felt one.
I figured the felt ones were more macho.:sarcasm:

Us and the ashfield boys use to give it to you guys:lol: The good old days, they were fun and no real damage done.

 

[LJC]

okay, I'm going to do this for the last time.

I will make it easy for you okay.

Please answer this question:
Do you understand what I mean when I say this:

I simply, clearly and repeatedly explained my point that league has wronged Union, citing facts of events that happened.
I simply, clearly and repeatedly stated that by no means were League's wrongs on Union equal to what Union had done to League.

If you understand, please respond with "yes"

If you do not understand, please respond with "no"

Given your avoidance of the other line of questioning you directed at me, regarding my love of Rugby League, I assume you admit you were wrong to question me in that regard.

I'm a reasonable bloke, I won't demand you to apologise or admit to your error.

I'm glad you think you are a reasonable bloke after the repeated insults toward me from your posts. You have stated that you believe that RU has wronged RL much more than RL has done to RU. This we agree on and I am glad you acknowledge this. My teacher friend that gave me the book read some of your posts and said that you in fact supported my comments. I urged him to read on to where your insults come to the for.

I hope you have reconsidered your stance on the real issue that RU has for many years and in many places undermined the growth/existence of our great game! This is the real issue at hand and not enough people are aware of these deceitful tactics that have been used by RU biased people in positions of power all over the world.

This devious behavior by RU bias people has stunted and stopped the appearance and growth of RL in many areas of the world. Do you agree with this? After all, we do agree that RL is a more pleasing game to the eye? Don't we?

 

[madunit]

I'm glad you think you are a reasonable bloke after the repeated insults toward me from your posts. You have stated that you believe that RU has wronged RL much more than RL has done to RU. This we agree on and I am glad you acknowledge this. My teacher friend that gave me the book read some of your posts and said that you in fact supported my comments. I urged him to read on to where your insults come to the for.

I hope you have reconsidered your stance on the real issue that RU has for many years and in many places undermined the growth/existence of our great game! This is the real issue at hand and not enough people are aware of these deceitful tactics that have been used by RU biased people in positions of power all over the world.

This devious behavior by RU bias people has stunted and stopped the appearance and growth of RL in many areas of the world. Do you agree with this? After all, we do agree that RL is a more pleasing game to the eye? Don't we?

You're a f**king idiot. You insulted me first and now you're sooking about copping it back.

Furthermore. I have NEVER NEVER EVER stated that RU has not done any wrong by League, especially in the area of trying to stop its growth.

That's an assumption you made based on you being a dickhead and nothing else.

All I simply said, once more for you, you braindead f**king simpleton, is that league has wronged Union as well.

How many times do I have to f**king repeat myself?????