You're a f**king idiot. You insulted me first and now you're sooking about copping it back.
Furthermore. I have NEVER NEVER EVER stated that RU has not done any wrong by League, especially in the area of trying to stop its growth.
That's an assumption you made based on you being a dickhead and nothing else.
All I simply said, once more for you, you braindead f**king simpleton, is that league has wronged Union as well.
How many times do I have to f**king repeat myself?????
Not may, DID. I stated facts.I accept that RL may have done some "wrong" things to RU but the vast majority of underhanded and devious tactics come from the rugby union side of the ledger!
League can not wrong union, union deserves all bad things that befall it.
I had no belief.
I stated facts.
You are the one making up shit like me having beliefs, being an apologist and all this other shit.
You do not comprehend anything I've posted. I posted some facts and you went and had a hernia and started acting like a twat.
Not may, DID. I stated facts.
I never said that League did more harm or an equal amount of harm to Union as Union did to league. You assumed that. Because you're an utter moron.
Thank you for taking this long to almost understand what I was saying.
You're still an idiot and a braindead simpleton.
My days are always nice, but I guess they wouldn't be as great as yours, living in your lovely bubble of sunshine and rainbows and gross ignorance.
I never said I don't believe or recognised what Union has done against League. I've said this numerous times. How f**king stupid are you????Well perhaps you might well start believing!
I know. I never said anything contrary to this. idiot.The repression of RL on a worldwide scale has and is still very prevalent.
I know. I simply stated facts where League did a similar thing once to show that it's never always been one way traffic.The positions of high power held by RU biased people around the world is a determining factor of such treatment(repression of RL) and this is obviously too rugby leagues detriment.
I have no disbelief you f**king moron. You have been making woefully incorrect assumptions about ME and everything in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS.If you cannot see this your past disbelief reeks of ignorance.
I do not, and have never required anything from you to prove to me what I already knew plenty about, regarding Union's treatment of League. Our discourse has been through you COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTANDING my posts and ASSUMING they are IMPLYING something other than clear facts.I hope you have recognized the overwhelming evidence that is being gathered and discussed pointing toward the extensive repression of RL throughout the world. If anything, if you have recognized this I believe our discourse, even though rude at times, has been worthwhile.
Understand this you braindead f**king moron. I do not need to acknowledge nor understand something I have known much about for a long time.I take back labeling you an apologist for RU and hope you continue to acknowledge and understand the very real threats that are against the game of rugby league.
I had no belief.
I stated facts.
You are the one making up shit like me having beliefs, being an apologist and all this other shit.
You do not comprehend anything I've posted. I posted some facts and you went and had a hernia and started acting like a twat.
Not may, DID. I stated facts.
I never said that League did more harm or an equal amount of harm to Union as Union did to league. You assumed that. Because you're an utter moron.
Thank you for taking this long to almost understand what I was saying.
You're still an idiot and a braindead simpleton.
My days are always nice, but I guess they wouldn't be as great as yours, living in your lovely bubble of sunshine and rainbows and gross ignorance.
Amazing response MU.
You are quite a number aren't you?
Spoke to a fellow teacher whom have read your comments and he has stated that you have gone off on a tangent with respects to the initial thread of this discussion. He finds your whole stance to be questionable and is wondering why you are like the way you are?
It is simply a statement/communication about the repression of rugby league being far more extensive and not acknowledged in the way it should be, is the main concern and your continued insults reflect what others have described your comments as "poor form".
Realistically if this repression of the code of RL was given a general audience, I think a very different perception of the game of RU and an understanding of the struggle of rugby league would do the game of rugby league more benefit than not!
You are deflecting and going off on semantic tangents to please your own selfish beliefs and poor acknowledgement of what has been happening to RLs detriment worldwide for many years. I put it to you if you were a moderator on a rugby union site what would your response be to this thread?
The damage to RL courtesy of the powers that RU has in high places throughout the would is the real issue at hand and you are not appropriately responding from a RL perspective. Your rudeness and blind ignorance of what has been going on against this great game is amazing.
"Poor form" perhaps is an apt description for your rudeness and ignorance. Not my words someone else's, but you would not/could not see that, that's for sure. And you will continue your so called 'analysis' of a persons comments with your rudeness prevailing. Good luck to you. Hope you realize what is really going on against the game of RL and actually proactively discuss and let this repression of the game be known at large.
Until this knowledge is given a chance to become general public knowledge, many perceptions of people in the general public will not know what devious and low acts have been perpetrated against the sport of RL worldwide.
I have mates that are RU enthusiasts and have changed their perception about RU as a result of being privy to the information from articles and books showing the extensive repression of RL throughout the world.
A sport is not being given a fair go in this instance and that sport is the sport you "support"? RUGBY LEAGUE!
Get real and acknowledge this extensive repression of our game or keep your head in the sand champ!
Amazing response MU.
You are quite a number aren't you?
Spoke to a fellow teacher whom have read your comments and he has stated that you have gone off on a tangent with respects to the initial thread of this discussion. He finds your whole stance to be questionable and is wondering why you are like the way you are?
It is simply a statement/communication about the repression of rugby league being far more extensive and not acknowledged in the way it should be, is the main concern and your continued insults reflect what others have described your comments as "poor form".
Realistically if this repression of the code of RL was given a general audience, I think a very different perception of the game of RU and an understanding of the struggle of rugby league would do the game of rugby league more benefit than not!
You are deflecting and going off on semantic tangents to please your own selfish beliefs and poor acknowledgement of what has been happening to RLs detriment worldwide for many years. I put it to you if you were a moderator on a rugby union site what would your response be to this thread?
The damage to RL courtesy of the powers that RU has in high places throughout the would is the real issue at hand and you are not appropriately responding from a RL perspective. Your rudeness and blind ignorance of what has been going on against this great game is amazing.
"Poor form" perhaps is an apt description for your rudeness and ignorance. Not my words someone else's, but you would not/could not see that, that's for sure. And you will continue your so called 'analysis' of a persons comments with your rudeness prevailing. Good luck to you. Hope you realize what is really going on against the game of RL and actually proactively discuss and let this repression of the game be known at large.
Until this knowledge is given a chance to become general public knowledge, many perceptions of people in the general public will not know what devious and low acts have been perpetrated against the sport of RL worldwide.
I have mates that are RU enthusiasts and have changed their perception about RU as a result of being privy to the information from articles and books showing the extensive repression of RL throughout the world.
A sport is not being given a fair go in this instance and that sport is the sport you "support"? RUGBY LEAGUE!
Get real and acknowledge this extensive repression of our game or keep your head in the sand champ!
The book is essentially about the contradiction that was shamateurism in France in Rugby Union and the French RU hatred for Semi-professionalism in League.
They considered the concept of playing sport for money as sinful and it was indirectly linked to Judaism when the Vichy Govt ran the country during NAZI occupation.
The French Govt contained many RU sympathisers and they went about "Deleting" Rugby League from France.
They even prevented the game from using the term Rugby. It wasn't until the early 2000's that the French Govt apologised to the French RL about these atrocities.
French RL still didn't get any recompense for all the property and monies lost (which were all given straight to French RU).
This book is one of the two most brilliant Rugby League books money can buy
The other is Sean Fagan's "Pioneers of Rugby League"
Pretty sure they do have those comps, just without the large sums of money
To be fair, the RU in France between 1920's and 1950's is undoubtedly the worst any worldwide RU organisation has ever been.
As far as underhanded tactics etc goes, the most underhanded could arguably have been Ball, Flegg and Joynton-Smith secretly buying the 1908 Wallabies to play Rugby League.
It pays to look at the issue from both perspectives. Which Is what Fagan does better than anyone.
Union for decades was run by men who received wages from gate takings while the players didn't receieve any money at all.
Disgruntled players who lost money due to injuries sustained playing Union were the driving force behind the birth of Rugby League.
The Union felt betrayed.
The players who created League felt betrayed.
That's essentially why the two codes never liked each other.
To see it purely as one code having been f**ked over by the other is very close minded and misguided.
read the book.
Fagan is following all aspects that lead to the birth of Rugby League.
Wow ! So now we have an apologist for RU!
Wondered when they would appear?
You cannot surely believe that the many international examples of repression of RL has not occurred!? Even if you look at it logically what has happened to RL can occur! If the upper echelons of society have a bias against something then that bias will reflect in decisions made in real world situations. This has happened repeatedly to RL on a world wide basis.
You are denying reality. These things have happened to RL and the consequences for the game exist to this day.
Lets make it quite clear rugby league had to poach players as RU was barring and banning them. RL should be given just as much right to exist as RU and this is not happening. Just look at the private school system and its unwavering support for the code of RU.
These people from such schools are the decision makers of tomorrow and a bias toward RU clearly occurs as it is forced down their throat with no choice to play RL in most of these schools.
I am of public school background and have played both codes and I have noted this private school situation when talking to people during my university days.
that's quite a statement considering you haven't read any of my posts.Amazing response MU.
Thanks, but I'm happily married.You are quite a number aren't you?
You're so stupid you have to get someone else to read basic english to you. And you still managed to f**k it up.Spoke to a fellow teacher whom have read your comments and he has stated that you have gone off on a tangent with respects to the initial thread of this discussion. He finds your whole stance to be questionable and is wondering why you are like the way you are?
Calling me an apologist for stating facts is poor form on your behalf. I'm through re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-repeating the same thing over and over to you.It is simply a statement/communication about the repression of rugby league being far more extensive and not acknowledged in the way it should be, is the main concern and your continued insults reflect what others have described your comments as "poor form".
That's debatable, because it depends largely on whether the general public would care. An Overwhelming majority of the sport loving public don't give two shits about the finer details of history of any game. You are a classic example.Realistically if this repression of the code of RL was given a general audience, I think a very different perception of the game of RU and an understanding of the struggle of rugby league would do the game of rugby league more benefit than not!
I put it to you that are a dickhead. My response would be the same, and the Union lovers would attack me with the same vigour you have, because they are as blinded by ignorance and stupidity as you are.You are deflecting and going off on semantic tangents to please your own selfish beliefs and poor acknowledgement of what has been happening to RLs detriment worldwide for many years. I put it to you if you were a moderator on a rugby union site what would your response be to this thread?
I have addressed it, several f**king times you dopey f**kwit. Get your minder, the butcher, the baker and your proctologist to read them all to you again you thickheaded waste of oxygen.The damage to RL courtesy of the powers that RU has in high places throughout the would is the real issue at hand and you are not appropriately responding from a RL perspective. Your rudeness and blind ignorance of what has been going on against this great game is amazing.
You rudely, ignorantly, stupidly and clearly insulted me to the utmost. If you don't like receiving your own medicine, don't dish it out in the first place f**khead."Poor form" perhaps is an apt description for your rudeness and ignorance. Not my words someone else's, but you would not/could not see that, that's for sure. And you will continue your so called 'analysis' of a persons comments with your rudeness prevailing. Good luck to you. Hope you realize what is really going on against the game of RL and actually proactively discuss and let this repression of the game be known at large.
Not even you know of as many devious acts that the RU have done to League that I do. That makes you an ignorant apologist for Rugby Union!Until this knowledge is given a chance to become general public knowledge, many perceptions of people in the general public will not know what devious and low acts have been perpetrated against the sport of RL worldwide.
Lol, mates with Union fans. YOU ARE A UNION APOLOGIST!I have mates that are RU enthusiasts and have changed their perception about RU as a result of being privy to the information from articles and books showing the extensive repression of RL throughout the world.
I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS SEVERAL f**kING TIMES YOU DIMWITTED f**kING GIMP.A sport is not being given a fair go in this instance and that sport is the sport you "support"? RUGBY LEAGUE!
Get real and acknowledge this extensive repression of our game or keep your head in the sand champ!
that's quite a statement considering you haven't read any of my posts.
Thanks, but I'm happily married.
You're so stupid you have to get someone else to read basic english to you. And you still managed to f**k it up.
Calling me an apologist for stating facts is poor form on your behalf. I'm through re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-repeating the same thing over and over to you.
That's debatable, because it depends largely on whether the general public would care. An Overwhelming majority of the sport loving public don't give two shits about the finer details of history of any game. You are a classic example.
I put it to you that are a dickhead. My response would be the same, and the Union lovers would attack me with the same vigour you have, because they are as blinded by ignorance and stupidity as you are.
I have addressed it, several f**king times you dopey f**kwit. Get your minder, the butcher, the baker and your proctologist to read them all to you again you thickheaded waste of oxygen.
You rudely, ignorantly, stupidly and clearly insulted me to the utmost. If you don't like receiving your own medicine, don't dish it out in the first place f**khead.
Not even you know of as many devious acts that the RU have done to League that I do. That makes you an ignorant apologist for Rugby Union!
Lol, mates with Union fans. YOU ARE A UNION APOLOGIST!
I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS SEVERAL f**kING TIMES YOU DIMWITTED f**kING GIMP.
CAN'T YOU f**kING READ????
You're so f**king stupid, if I were to get your brain and roll it down the edge of a razor blade, it'd look like a tricycle rolling down the centre of a 10 lane freeway.
You have shown no interest in the whole story of the birth and history of the codes and their interaction with each other.
You have shown you have little knowledge about the full story.
You have shown you are a moron who doesn't accept facts from the other side of the story.
You have shown you can't read.
You have been shown to be an utter wanker who freely insults people then has a cry when they insult him back.
You have done absolutely nothing for Rugby League's history in stark contrast to myself and you still criticise my passion for the game.
You are an insult to humanity.
I'm not, I haven't and I never have. You were the one that demanded I prove myself.I don't think a person like yourself should be promoting himself as some sort of expert.
You are rude, ignorant, and abusive.You are both rude and a disturbing factor that our great sport of RL has to deal with in its struggle.
And I haven't said anything against those have I?Their have been many examples of the repression of RL internationally throughout this thread.
Not some times, every time.You have in some cases conceded to this
Please tell me then of other Rugby Union bodies that have sided with Hitler-like run nations whose sole purpose was to delete Rugby League.and then gone back to your methodic "isolated" incident scenario for the French example.
No I haven't. I actually expanded on this only a few posts ago you idiot!By the way, the French example is still going on and having detrimental ramifications for RL to this day! And this is evident elsewhere in other examples around the world. These examples , which are fact, have been put forward by other people in this thread and you have denied or deflected/ignored such information.
YOU INSULTED ME. I'm only returning the favour and standards you set for this conversation. If you don't like it, then apologise for calling me a Union Apologist and I'll respond in kind.You are the person whom has issues in this forum. Not others. Your rudeness reflects a very poor attitude and lack of decency. Give yourself an upper cut!
and other people have sided with me who are also devout League fans. Whats your f**king point?Other people have noted your poor form not just myself.
You keep saying this and I keep saying that I agree with this, Why do you insist on arguing with yourself on this point?My end note is primarily that a more attractive form of rugby(rugby league) is being held back and repressed by another sport (rugby union) and this has occurred for many years and is still occurring to this day!
and at times this was done directly to the ranks of Rugby Union with the intention of giving League a leg up over Union. Of which I am not opposed. Its fact. Fact you can't grasp.Rugby league has acted purely on market based driven aims and the propagation/introduction of a better code of rugby.
I agree and have never denied this you simpleton.This is very different to eradicating another code as is the stance of rugby union!
I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED IT REPEATEDLY YOU DIMWIT!!This is the difference you have not acknowledged.
And I have never suggested otherwise.Rugby union has acted to eradicate and limit the growth of RL in many areas around the world and this is FACT!
The fact you are misconstrewing every single thing I say and seeing it as something else is enough to suggest that you should give yourself an uppercut.If you somehow think that this is fair? You have a hand, use it for a well deserved upper cut to your chin!
I don't think a person like yourself should be promoting himself as some sort of expert.
You are both rude and a disturbing factor that our great sport of RL has to deal with in its struggle.
Their have been many examples of the repression of RL internationally throughout this thread.
You have in some cases conceded to this and then gone back to your methodic "isolated" incident scenario for the French example. By the way, the French example is still going on and having detrimental ramifications for RL to this day! And this is evident elsewhere in other examples around the world. These examples , which are fact, have been put forward by other people in this thread and you have denied or deflected/ignored such information.
You are the person whom has issues in this forum. Not others. Your rudeness reflects a very poor attitude and lack of decency. Give yourself an upper cut!
Other people have noted your poor form not just myself.
My end note is primarily that a more attractive form of rugby(rugby league) is being held back and repressed by another sport (rugby union) and this has occurred for many years and is still occurring to this day! Rugby league has acted purely on market based driven aims and the propagation/introduction of a better code of rugby. This is very different to eradicating another code as is the stance of rugby union! This is the difference you have not acknowledged. Rugby union has acted to eradicate and limit the growth of RL in many areas around the world and this is FACT!
If you somehow think that this is fair? You have a hand, use it for a well deserved upper cut to your chin!
This thread is hilarious...
having a sook because a f**king sport is being discriminated against...
Please...
:lol:
If only people in Australia cared as much about how they treated they're indigenous people as much as some people in here care about a f**king sport was treated...
So people should just stop complaining because there have been other shameful events in world history? People cant discuss rugby league history on a rugby league message board? Rugby league should just suck it up? Or just bend over and cop it?
I'm reading this book at the moment, the lengths to which French rugby union went are criminal and there are countless examples of prejudice against rugby league happening today in South Africa, morocco, France and other countries including Australia
Don't worry what the troll says, they're all cut from the same cloth anyway.
If criminality is, or was, involved, as alleged, then why doesn't somebody do something about it?
Are the relevant rugby league administrators inept? Weak? Unable to protect their sport?
What about the international governing body? Is it taking this "criminality" seriously? If not, why not?
This when I really miss Calixte. He would have some answers.![]()