The Forbidden Game-insightful book on what has & can happen

[taipan]

Probably because RU went into the Olympics with Sevens and Russia being an Olympic orientated country wanted to focus the (limited) resources there.

You got it probably wrong.The reason the Russian Govt would not give rl official approval,was due to the mish mash management structure and lack of direction ATT.
A new management has changed that aspect completely,and they are pushing to get the Govt seal of approval,which will take time no doubt.

Let's get one thing straight whilst rl has not been pure,it has never lobbied an Occupation Govt to get ru banned ,it has never lobbied an Italian Govt to ensure the pro game of rl could not get 3rd party insurance in the mid 2oth century.It has never had ties to a South African govt with such influence as to ensure the game was not recognised for many decades.
And even today in Morocco it tries to kill off any attempt to play rl in that country.

Rugby league has openly declared it pays its players from day one.It did not pretend for nearly 100 years it was amateur and in the case of France pay its players,and in the case of the ABs secure many things such as cars etc with a wink wink.Nor did it have amateur players go to Italy for spaghetti rugby.The hypocrisy emanating from union's bunker is overpowering.And I played union all my teenage years ,and listened to a lot of ill informed crap..

 

[firechild]

I AM NOT Comparing.

I am making the point that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union like many in here believe.

I am not saying League has done to Union what Union has done to League.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am not saying that League has committed atrocities to Union that are on par with those committed by Union against League.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am not saying that Rugby Union is a better sport.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am not making excuses or defending Rugby Union's actions against League.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am not an apologist for Rugby Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

It might sink in soon.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I am saying that Rugby League is NOT completely innocent of wrong doing against Union.

I see where you got your name. You might refer back to my first response to you in this thread. I said I understand where you are coming from and I actually agree with a lot of what you say. I simply said that I disagree with your point that rugby league trying to increase its market share by increasing people's exposure to it can be seen as anything but pure. The way rugby union attempted to have rugby league eliminated was underhanded and unethical but rugby league never made any attempt to remove rugby union, they simply attempted to make growth of their own sport. Sure, rugby union was going to be the major loser if they succeeded but soccer, aussie rules and other sports would also be affected, it was not a ploy to simply attack one sport.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Probably because RU went into the Olympics with Sevens and Russia being an Olympic orientated country wanted to focus the (limited) resources there.

:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah right.

Wouldn't take much to see what sports those pesky ruskies play outside of the olympics, I guess according to your type, they don't play any :roll:

 

[madunit]

I see where you got your name. You might refer back to my first response to you in this thread. I said I understand where you are coming from and I actually agree with a lot of what you say. I simply said that I disagree with your point that rugby league trying to increase its market share by increasing people's exposure to it can be seen as anything but pure. The way rugby union attempted to have rugby league eliminated was underhanded and unethical but rugby league never made any attempt to remove rugby union, they simply attempted to make growth of their own sport. Sure, rugby union was going to be the major loser if they succeeded but soccer, aussie rules and other sports would also be affected, it was not a ploy to simply attack one sport.

Rugby League's birth in Australia directly affected Union and no other code.

You keep on with this belief that I'm trying to say that league has committed similar wrongs to Union as Union did to League.

I am not.

I am very simply and clearly saying that league has done wrong by Union, directly and intentionally, for the sole purpose of helping League and Affecting Union for League's own benefit.

 

[firechild]

Rugby League's birth in Australia directly affected Union and no other code.

You keep on with this belief that I'm trying to say that league has committed similar wrongs to Union as Union did to League.

I am not.

I am very simply and clearly saying that league has done wrong by Union, directly and intentionally, for the sole purpose of helping League and Affecting Union for League's own benefit.

Dumb as dog shit you are. I never suggested that I believe that you are saying the wrongs are comparable. You are arguing with me over a point I never made. I am simply saying that you are inferring that the intentions of the kid who opens a lemonade stand are not pure because his sales will directly affect the local Woolworths.

Yes, rugby league affected rugby union but the motives were not to kill it, rather to simply grow their own game. It is the malicious intent that differentiates what RU did and what RL has done.

 

[papabear]

Giving children the option between League and Union when in the past they only had Union, directly affects Union in a negative way and only stands to improve League.

It is blatantly clearcut.

Trying to see it in any other different light is completely stupid.

Catholic school has 200 kids playing Union
League is introduced to school
100 kids play league and 100 play Union

100 more kids are playing league and 100 less kids are playing union.

That benefits league at the expense of Union.

It gets no clearer than that.

IMO, some arguments you make are good, in particular seeing the wrongs from both sides. However two that arent:-
1 - your personal insults. Poor form, if your argument was so comprehensive I do not imagine you would need these.
2 - what you consider wronging someone, a sport promoting itself, that indirectly harms other sports via taking market share is not one sport wronging another. A sport banning participation of another sport in certain schools or banning players from playing there own sport due to what else they play, is wronging another sport.

For instance one of your examples, the labor politicians getting league in catholic schools, they did not ban union did they? If they did it would be considered a wrong, if they didnt ban union then it is definately not a wrong.

But that is those kids making the choice, not rugby league forcing them to make that choice.

Introducing union to a league school is not union killing league it is giving children a choice.

Just because their are indirect consequenses that adversely affect another game isn't enough to dump guilt on that party.

Most people accept that every school in australia should give the kids the choice on what winter code they wish to play and at the very least should make league, soccer, union and afl available if the demand is their.

The simple fact is certain systems will not do that regardless of the demand and these systems tend to be union systems. In the end though these schools will become out of favour as they will be viewed as close minded bigotted schools and they will have less of a market for their students.

If league could get into just one GPS school, like say newington, any league parent would stick their kid there over all other schools advantaging newington over all other schools, but it is up to leagues administration and the schools to jump on to this.

 

[LJC]

Dumb as dog shit you are. I never suggested that I believe that you are saying the wrongs are comparable. You are arguing with me over a point I never made. I am simply saying that you are inferring that the intentions of the kid who opens a lemonade stand are not pure because his sales will directly affect the local Woolworths.

Yes, rugby league affected rugby union but the motives were not to kill it, rather to simply grow their own game. It is the malicious intent that differentiates what RU did and what RL has done.

Well stated!

 

[LJC]

Mad Unit .
Give yourself an upper cut!

You referred to the Forbidden Game" book as an isolated incident and not an example of what can happen to a sport by the hands of another sport. If you bother to read the blurb on the back of this book it reads " ..one of the most extreme examples of one's sport's hostility towards another."

You say you love rugby league then show us you do instead of providing tangents for RU people to justify their undeserved status as the "most known" rugby code of the world!

Quite simply if the cream(RL) was allowed to rise to the top we would not be discussing the dodgy conduct of rugby union as it would not have been around!

 

[TheDalek079]

Mad Unit .
Give yourself an upper cut!

You referred to the Forbidden Game" book as an isolated incident and not an example of what can happen to a sport by the hands of another sport. If you bother to read the blurb on the back of this book it reads " ..one of the most extreme examples of one's sport's hostility towards another."

You say you love rugby league then show us you do instead of providing tangents for RU people to justify their undeserved status as the "most known" rugby code of the world!

Quite simply if the cream(RL) was allowed to rise to the top we would not discussing the dodgy conduct of rugby union as it would not have been around!

you want MU to show you that he loves rugby league? Is super moderating this rugby league forum and writing numerous articles about the game not enough proof for you?

 

[LordLeague]

Another excellent book is "Rugby's Class War" by David Hinchliffe M.P. published in 2000.

From the back page:
"It is a hard hitting account of the way bigotry, elitism and hypocrisy underpinning Rugby Union's long standing attempts to outlaw the separate sport of Rugby League were finally challenged and confronted."

Nothing to do with France by the way.

Lord League

 

[LJC]

you want MU to show you that he loves rugby league? Is super moderating this rugby league forum and writing numerous articles about the game not enough proof for you?

His own perceived role of showing "balance" seems to overcome a genuine regard for the game of rugby league. I'm wondering if what he has written about rugby league has mentioned the underhanded repression tactics of rugby union toward our great game?

Perhaps the mad unit may be a "plant" serving to throw genuine rugby league issues to the backwater? So far his form of insults and abuse do no favors for his position.

Credit to him for running the web site but this matter(repression of RL worldwide) is very relevant and real to rugby league and should not be ignored.

 

[magpie4ever]

What a joke attacking MU for providing the facts - indicating that league has wronged union in Australia, just like union has wronged league here and o/s.

Also, you grubs have covenient overlooked the fact that I have stated many times here, and that is, rugby union was basically outlawed from Diocese Catholic Schools when league became the code of rugby played. There was no f**kin choice; it was league or league (personal experience).

 

[LJC]

What a joke attacking MU for providing the facts - indicating that league has wronged union in Australia, just like union has wronged league here and o/s.

Also, you grubs have covenient overlooked the fact that I have stated many times here, and that is, rugby union was basically outlawed from Diocese Catholic Schools when league became the code of rugby played. There was no f**kin choice; it was league or league (personal experience).

Interesting you state "facts"! MU has already tried to deny the factual account of what happened in the French example and you talk of facts?

We are rugby league fans and it would be great if this underhanded and worldwide repression of RL be acknowledged and acted upon. Until we get some united purpose then we will be twiddling our thumbs as a game! It's as simple as that!

Their is a "crime"(perhaps human rights definitely against laisez faire-free trade traditions) being committed consistently and on a worldwide basis against rugby league and until we realize this as supporters and as a game and do something about it ,the game will forever struggle! The Russian example is another example of the powers that be eliminating the growth of rugby league.

It (the repression of RL)just goes on and on and denying it is ludicrous!

 

[magpie4ever]

Interesting you state "facts"! MU has already tried to deny the factual account of what happened in the French example and you talk of facts?

We are rugby league fans and it would be great if this underhanded and worldwide repression of RL be acknowledged and acted upon. Until we get some united purpose then we will be twiddling our thumbs as a game! It's as simple as that!

Their is a "crime"(perhaps human rights definitely against laisez faire-free trade traditions) being committed consistently and on a worldwide basis against rugby league and until we realize this as supporters and as a game and do something about it ,the game will forever struggle! The Russian example is another example of the powers that be eliminating the growth of rugby league.

It (the repression of RL)just goes on and on and denying it is ludicrous!

No-one is denying this fact; if you are so concerned demand that the IRLB take it to the world court.

But you are conveniently overlooking that rugby union was banned (not offered after it had previously been) in Diocese Catholic Schools for well over half a century. Now in some catholic schools (only a few - MCS Sydney West) it is offered as a add on in a short 5-6 game season after the official league comp has finished and that is only recently (last few years) due to the dedication of some teachers who pushed for it.

 

[papabear]

And which GPS and CSS schools were league was canned or banned I sprague now being offered even as a 5 or 6 week program



Was that none???

You are either a union sympathizer or not.

Yes league has made mistakes but that does justifying union the game is evil always has been always will be.

 

[Jason Maher]

And which GPS and CSS schools were league was canned or banned I sprague now being offered even as a 5 or 6 week program



Was that none???

You are either a union sympathizer or not.

Yes league has made mistakes but that does justifying union the game is evil always has been always will be.

Perhaps it is possible that someone somewhere likes both games? Just maybe? Perhaps they don't even give a flying f**k about bullshit that happened decades ago and simply enjoy both games for what they are here and now.

 

[kbw]

Come up with the stats champ!

Back your statement with fact.

I think you will find it very hard to have more private schools playing rugby league than rugby union and you can put that on a world wide stat as well if you like?

You may well be the type of person that deflects the real truth and the ways in which RU administrators and their friends in high places work behind the scenes to weaken rugby league and at the same time favor their very outdated and boring code of rugby!

I never said there were more that play RL, but there are more than a couple.
Marist Pagewood, Marcelin to name 2.

A school choses to play a code usually from a historical POV, but that doesn't mean they have a prejudice against other codes. Take Newington for example. The may not play RL as a school but work with their boys and RL. They have plenty of HM, SG Ball and U20s players at the school and encourage them to trial for CIS league sides.

The crap notions of prejudice in todays environment are no differrent to the idiot ramblings by some RU supporters about RL.

 

[madunit]

Dumb as dog shit you are. I never suggested that I believe that you are saying the wrongs are comparable. You are arguing with me over a point I never made. I am simply saying that you are inferring that the intentions of the kid who opens a lemonade stand are not pure because his sales will directly affect the local Woolworths.

Yes, rugby league affected rugby union but the motives were not to kill it, rather to simply grow their own game. It is the malicious intent that differentiates what RU did and what RL has done.

And my argument all along which you keep missing is that I am not comparing the extent or the intent of the attacks by Union on league to those by League on Union.

I am very clearly stating that league is not 100% innocent.

You and your mate LJC who started the personal insults and attacks on me, want to keep arguing with me, as though you are under the assumption that I am suggesting League's attacks on Union have been as equally as savage as those by Union on league.

I am not.

 

[magpie4ever]

see below

 

[magpie4ever]

And which GPS and CSS schools were league was canned or banned I sprague now being offered even as a 5 or 6 week program



Was that none???

You are either a union sympathizer or not.

Yes league has made mistakes but that does justifying union the game is evil always has been always will be.

I'm trying to comprehend what you are trying to state.

I said Catholic Diocese Schools (about 95% of catholic schools), not independent catholic schools.

The catholic schools (remained with union) in the GPS, CAS and ISA make up about 20% of the schools in those associations.

I am realist; and just state facts. I would have liked the choice, but did not have it, although I did real well with league (rep sides etc)