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[Perth Red]

Why, can you really not see the difference? It is one thing to dothings to strengthen yourself, quite another to do something with the sole purpose of damaging someone else. Why did the ban on RU players who wanted to try their hand at league exist yet they were quite happy if union players wanted to play any other professional sport?

 

[madunit]

Why, can you really not see the difference?

secretly paying Union's top international players? Are you serious, you don't see that as underhanded in the slightest?

It is one thing to dothings to strengthen yourself, quite another to do something with the sole purpose of damaging someone else.

Secretly poaching players, paying them knowing full well that if they accept the money they will no longer be deemed amateurs and will only have one sport left to play, RL is entirely damaging to Union at the benefit entirely to League. It does not get anymore blatant than that. Your argument has no substance whatsoever.

Why did the ban on RU players who wanted to try their hand at league exist yet they were quite happy if union players wanted to play any other professional sport?

Once again, I never said anything against that. Why you pair keep thinking I'm suggesting that is beyond me.

The fact you see RU banning its players from returning after defecting to league (which they now have no issue with at all anyway) as being wholly bad to RL is completely different to the 1909 coup shows you how silly your post is, because they are same thing.

Only difference is, the 1909 coup was RL instigated, exploiting RU and damaging RU to the benefit of RL.

But thats different eh?

I see now that taking facts to this discussion is pointless because you don't want to know about the facts that counter your opinion.

 

[Perth Red]

These are today's facts, not something that happened over 100 years ago. To suggest that RL has even come close to the Machiavellian behaviour of RU is laughable. I suppose Widnes signing Jonathan Davies was done to topple Welsh RU as well?

http://www.nospam18.com/rlp-nations...lock-gb-students-rugby-league-tour-of-morocco

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/06/07/vichy-revisited-the-plight-of-south-african-rugby-league/

Russian Ministry of Sports order number 21 dated January 20, 2010 expelled the Rugby League from the State Register of Sports of Russia.[3]

 

[magpie4ever]

These are today's facts, not something that happened over 100 years ago. To suggest that RL has even come close to the Machiavellian behaviour of RU is laughable. I suppose Widnes signing Jonathan Davies was done to topple Welsh RU as well?

http://www.nospam18.com/rlp-nations...lock-gb-students-rugby-league-tour-of-morocco

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/06/07/vichy-revisited-the-plight-of-south-african-rugby-league/

Russian Ministry of Sports order number 21 dated January 20, 2010 expelled the Rugby League from the State Register of Sports of Russia.[3]

You don't understand MU's point - it is, RL has not been pure.

I believe, he is in no way supporting what is happening to league in Russia, SA and Morocca; he is just stating facts and history.

 

[madunit]

You don't understand MU's point - it is, RL has not been pure.

I believe, he is in no way supporting what is happening to league in Russia, SA and Morocca; he is just stating facts and history.

Thank you.

 

[Knownothing]

they were quite happy if union players wanted to play any other professional sport?

What examples are there of rugby union players playing as professionals in other sports, without being banned from playing rugby union?

 

[LJC]

Thank you.

We are attempting to state some facts that are facts and very pertinent examples of RU undermining RL.

Do you not think that they are relevant to the growth and development of the game of RL?

 

[LJC]

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Very interesting and the rugby union myth building a very observant comment.

Rugby union has been providing a false façade of itself for many years and has been benefitting from iits friends with influence in high places.

In summation a much more attractive form of rugby(rugby league) is being marginalized courtesy of RU's overt and covert tactics worldwide. It's pretty clear that if a sport that is more pleasing to the eye(RL) than another and the other sport(RU) is not as pleasing to the eye then given that RU has so much more "international" presence then this should spark some alarm bells for people whom are fair minded and ultimately believe in justice.

Their is a definite ploy by RU to undermine RL and this is different to what other sports have had to deal with.

RL is a far more attractive code of rugby yet does not have the friends in the right places to promote the game on a worldwide basis. It is a real struggle for our game and it's not by accident.

 

[firechild]

You don't think using money to Lure 20 of the best Union players in Australia to play League is not using money to influence?

What about RL Administrators who became Labor politicians who lobbied to have RL played in RU exclusive catholic schools?

To say those two incidents are not a case of using money or influence to damage Rugby Union is ludicrous.

I'm not being an apologist for Union either. These incidents actually happened.

I get where you're coming from madunit but to suggest the bold part is doing anything other than trying to grow the game of RL is absurd. Did they lobby to have RL played at these schools at the expense of RU? If they did that would be a different matter but simply trying to have the sport added to the school's offerings is not an attack on RU any more than it is on any other sport or indeed any other activity.

 

[madunit]

Giving children the option between League and Union when in the past they only had Union, directly affects Union in a negative way and only stands to improve League.

It is blatantly clearcut.

Trying to see it in any other different light is completely stupid.

Catholic school has 200 kids playing Union
League is introduced to school
100 kids play league and 100 play Union

100 more kids are playing league and 100 less kids are playing union.

That benefits league at the expense of Union.

It gets no clearer than that.

 

[madunit]

We are attempting to state some facts that are facts and very pertinent examples of RU undermining RL.

You are voicing an uneducated opinion.

I am stating facts.

Do you not think that they are relevant to the growth and development of the game of RL?

Where have I even suggested otherwise?

How is it that my very clear message and posts are completely misunderstood by you every single time?

 

[madunit]

me: purple monkey dishwasher
LJC: You're a Union apologist!

*facepalm*

 

[magpie4ever]

I get where you're coming from madunit but to suggest the bold part is doing anything other than trying to grow the game of RL is absurd. Did they lobby to have RL played at these schools at the expense of RU? If they did that would be a different matter but simply trying to have the sport added to the school's offerings is not an attack on RU any more than it is on any other sport or indeed any other activity.

If think you will find that rugby league became the exclusive rugby code in diocese Catholic Schools; only the independent tyke schools - Joeys, Iggys and St Pats etc remained in rugby union. I believe there is an actually book written on the history of how league became the rugby code in Catholic schools.

 

[firechild]

Giving children the option between League and Union when in the past they only had Union, directly affects Union in a negative way and only stands to improve League.

It is blatantly clearcut.

Trying to see it in any other different light is completely stupid.

Catholic school has 200 kids playing Union
League is introduced to school
100 kids play league and 100 play Union

100 more kids are playing league and 100 less kids are playing union.

That benefits league at the expense of Union.

It gets no clearer than that.

Yes, but there is a difference between deliberately negatively affecting another sport and incidentally doing it. Any sport that makes moves to increase its market share is doing so at the cost of others. I'm not sure how you can compare this to the deliberate acts that have been committed by RU over the last 100 or so years.

 

[magpie4ever]

Yes, but there is a difference between deliberately negatively affecting another sport and incidentally doing it. Any sport that makes moves to increase its market share is doing so at the cost of others. I'm not sure how you can compare this to the deliberate acts that have been committed by RU over the last 100 or so years.

Mate, as MU said and I agree it shows that Rugby League was not pure (see my previous post); that doesn't deflected from Union administrators being deadset bastards.

Given recent performances of the wallabies and their lack of numbers playing the sport at junior levels, I reckon rugby union would sell their souls to get the Catholic schools back into the fold.

 

[firechild]

Mate, as MU said and I agree it shows that Rugby League was not pure (see my previous post); that doesn't deflected from Union administrators being deadset bastards.

Given recent performances of the wallabies and their lack of numbers playing the sport at junior levels, I reckon rugby union would sell their souls to get the Catholic schools back into the fold.

I fail to see how anyone, whether it is business, sport or anything else, attempting to increase their market share by increasing availability of their product makes it impure in any way. It is all about the methods used to increase the market share. Would you say Joe Blogs trying to open a corner store is unethical in any way because he is potentially taking market share away from Woolworths or Coles?

 

[magpie4ever]

I fail to see how anyone, whether it is business, sport or anything else, attempting to increase their market share by increasing availability of their product makes it impure in any way. It is all about the methods used to increase the market share. Would you say Joe Blogs trying to open a corner store is unethical in any way because he is potentially taking market share away from Woolworths or Coles?

Rugby League became the exclusive rugby code in diocese catholic schools (at the exclusion of rugby union) due to rugby league administrators/politicans. That is not increasing market share; it was a bloody takeover.

Union is definitely not pure in its attempts to stop the expansion; but league can't sit there and say "we are the wronged, and are pure of heart".

That is against the actual facts.

 

[madunit]

Yes, but there is a difference between deliberately negatively affecting another sport and incidentally doing it. Any sport that makes moves to increase its market share is doing so at the cost of others. I'm not sure how you can compare this to the deliberate acts that have been committed by RU over the last 100 or so years.

Guess what sport Rugby League players played prior to Rugby League.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Guess what sport Rugby League players played prior to Rugby League.

Whatever sport they wanted? :roll:

 

[TheDalek079]

Guess what sport Rugby League players played prior to Rugby League.

water polo?