The Knights last 4 weeks.

[johnny plath]

Not disputing it but trying to understand the issues around TPAs for Newy - wouldn't they potentially have some advantage in being a regional team that has always been a big part of the Hunter community? There may be a shitload more marketing dollars in Sydney but there are so many teams and high profile athletes fighting for it too

And in terms of a like for like comparison, would the Cowboys not be a similar one.... I know they have Thurston now... but its taken time to build and now maintain their excellence at all levels. Once again there u16 and 18s just played in the national junior rep finals, Kirwan High is reigning GIO Schoolboy cup champions, Townsville Blackhawks played in Qld Cup GF last year and are consistently a top performer in that comp, the Cowboys u20s are again high up in Holden cup after being preliminary finalists last year. I,m not close enough to the workings of the Cowboys but it hasn't been overnight success, for years they were comp whipping boys.... what changed to make them what they are now?

 

[lockyrulz]

Signing spuds to market rate - difference being the whole amount goes on our cap. We aren't paying them much if any more than they were offered elsewhere, but we need to compete.

Tariq has now been offered more to sign with the Rabbits meaning we have to up our offer to compete or lose him. Meaning we replace another experienced player with another rookie. Same with Rochow, has been offered more than we can offer by apparently two Sydney clubs. See how that works?

But keep blaming us for financial inequity. Makes it much easier to dismiss it as just "LOL Newcastle is shit because they are shit" rather than actually deal with the financial issues that make "poor" clubs whipping boys.

So maybe Newcastle doesn't warrant a team then? It may be that license woudl be better served in South West Queensland/Brisbane or Perth where they can source TPD's

 

[Pete Cash]

Yep giving up on the hunter is a brilliant idea

 

[AnAccountant]

Yep giving up on the hunter is a brilliant idea

Well it seems that by being in that area they can't compete.

What's the solution?

Limit TPA's? IE limit the earnings of the elite players? So they all leave for Euro Rugby, but at least we'll have Blamecastle?

f**k off. Purge the filth.

 

[macavity]

Quit pretending to be some sort of club executive or salary cap auditor.

You know nothing about the Knights salary cap situation.

What you and I both know is that the roster is shit.

The dogs wanted to recruit Sione and extend Hodkinson, do you think they stayed / came for less? :roll:

You've obviously overpaid for sub standard players.

The sooner that you direct your anger towards your inexperienced executives, your sub standard practice / training / rehab facilities, your rookie coach (who was yet another sub standard player) and most importantly your inept recruitment instead of blaming those who do it right the sooner you'll be better off.

When my team missed the finals I didn't blame the rest of the world, I knew exactly who to direct my anger / dissatisfaction towards. What the hell is wrong with you supporters of bottom feeder clubs?

You obviously skipped the economics lectures when you did accounting. Obviously didn't pick up anything about logic either.

The "bottom feeder clubs" comment is very revealing of your mindset, and no amount of factual argument is going to change it.

 

[macavity]

So maybe Newcastle doesn't warrant a team then? It may be that license woudl be better served in South West Queensland/Brisbane or Perth where they can source TPD's

If we are going to continue down the path we are going down, that will be the outcome.

Leave 500,000 people in a mad RL region without access to NRL football because they don't have rich supporters able to rort the cap - wouldn't be a first for the NRL to cut off their nose to spite their face.

 

[AnAccountant]

You obviously skipped the economics lectures when you did accounting. Obviously didn't pick up anything about logic either.

The "bottom feeder clubs" comment is very revealing of your mindset, and no amount of factual argument is going to change it.

Yes, sidestep my counter argument because you have nothing.

Especially the part where you state that you've paid market value for certain players, yet when they were recruited by a so called 'unlimited TPA club' they decided to stay with you.

I'll call you Benji from now on.

 

[macavity]

Yes, sidestep my counter argument because you have nothing.

Especially the part where you state that you've paid market value for certain players, yet when they were recruited by a so called 'unlimited TPA club' they decided to stay with you.

I'll call you Benji from now on.

Just had a look through your post history, every post is bagging out someone or something. No reasoned argument.

Of course we have to pay market value - we can keep or recruit - but they take a bigger chunk out of our cap because the market value is inflated by the TPA clubs who can pay outside the cap. If you cant see how that is an issue you are wilfully ignorant or stupid.

If you really are an accountant, I hope someone checks your work.

 

[AnAccountant]

Just had a look through your post history, every post is bagging out someone or something. No reasoned argument.

Of course we have to pay market value - we can keep or recruit - but they take a bigger chunk out of our cap because the market value is inflated by the TPA clubs who can pay outside the cap. If you cant see how that is an issue you are wilfully ignorant or stupid.

If you really are an accountant, I hope someone checks your work.

Another brilliant sidestep.

 

[coolumsharkie]

Laughable that people would question our salary cap.. For starters Bird, Holmes, Luetele were unknowns before last year with Feki who ALL came through from our 20's side. (Townsville as well to a degree) and we scored Beale pretty cheap on the outer with the Broncos. Barba we got for next to nothing last year and this year. Admittedly we don't have any room left for next year and there are plenty off contract plus there will be big upgrades to those youngsters that are firing. so Gal or Lewis for example may well be forced out next year and we will probably lose a back as well and offload Heigno to England to stay in the hunt for the 8.. The way it's set up for clubs like ours is a 2 year window of opportunity and then back to being in the middle somewhere. Definitely down to good planning and management.

 

[AnAccountant]

Laughable that people would question our salary cap.. For starters Bird, Holmes, Luetele were unknowns before last year with Feki who ALL came through from our 20's side. (Townsville as well to a degree) and we scored Beale pretty cheap on the outer with the Broncos. Barba we got for next to nothing last year and this year. Admittedly we don't have any room left for next year and there are plenty off contract plus there will be big upgrades to those youngsters that are firing. so Gal or Lewis for example may well be forced out next year and we will probably lose a back as well and offload Heigno to England to stay in the hunt for the 8.. The way it's set up for clubs like ours is a 2 year window of opportunity and then back to being in the middle somewhere. Definitely down to good planning and management.

Beale was from the Dragons.

Yes, people questioning the Sharks cap are just salty stains.

As you mentioned sometimes teams just get lucky securing players that aren't wanted or valued at other clubs for whatever reason, as well as having young guys not on much step up.

I honestly think that the Sharks have as much chance of winning as anybody this season. And that hurts a little to say tbh.

 

[axl rose]

what changed to make them what they are now?

A competent coach in Graham Murray. Scott Mintos retirement.

 

[Pete Cash]

Well it seems that by being in that area they can't compete.

What's the solution?

Limit TPA's? IE limit the earnings of the elite players? So they all leave for Euro Rugby, but at least we'll have Blamecastle?

f**k off. Purge the filth.

Not limit the TPAs.

Maybe actually ensure that they are all at an arms length for starters. That said if the NRL did that then the knights might well win the comp because just about every team (possibly including my own) would suddenly be up for cheating the cap.

Secondly I would like some transparency. I have argued in favour of publishing what each club has registered in salary and TPAs at the start of the year constantly on this forum. So that.

I think if it was out in the open it would be a lot easier to debate. Maybe the knights are extremely hideously managed or maybe they are operating on significantly less money than every other team in the comp. It would put things into perspective.

I am not a huge fan of publishing what the players earn. However that happens in most sporting leagues on the planet. If a TPA was linked to a player at a club and then that player moved clubs and lost that TPA and it was given to a new signing at the original club then blind freddy could see that it is linked to the club and not by a third party.

Cameron Smith selling sports drink shouldnt be dependent on him being at the storm. That is a true third party agreement. If he went to the knights (lol) then he would in theory take his sponsorship with him.

 

[beave]

And in terms of a like for like comparison, would the Cowboys not be a similar one.... I know they have Thurston now... but its taken time to build and now maintain their excellence at all levels. Once again there u16 and 18s just played in the national junior rep finals, Kirwan High is reigning GIO Schoolboy cup champions, Townsville Blackhawks played in Qld Cup GF last year and are consistently a top performer in that comp, the Cowboys u20s are again high up in Holden cup after being preliminary finalists last year. I,m not close enough to the workings of the Cowboys but it hasn't been overnight success, for years they were comp whipping boys.... what changed to make them what they are now?

The first few years of the Cowboys, they burned bridges all through NQ and the local leagues. It wasn't until 2002 when they got Dennis Keefe as a CEO and then Graham Murray as the coach, that a lot of these burnt bridges were mended and we got a good relationship with all the local leagues (mackAy, Cairns, Rocky). I had a few beers one night in 2002 at the Cowbs leagues and got talking to a couple of blokes, turns out they were high up at the Rocky QRL team (i think they were called the Comets back then, Capras now). Over some beers they were telling me the previous Cowbs management were a bunch of assclowns and they didnt want anything to do with them, hence why they aligned themselves with other NRL teams in regards to feeder and so forth, they said they were in Tvl that weekend to talk turkey with the club to now re-align themselves with the Cowbs because they felt the new management were bang on the money. We have 3 feeder teams (Pride, Blackhawks, Cutters) which IMO is a massive part of why we are successful of late. Has taken a long while and we can't keep every kid in NQ but the pathways are there if the kids are good enough, to stay in their home area. We have 2 high schools in Tvl alone that in the top of the country and have Cowbs scholarship holders at both (Kirwan High and Ignatius Park College).

 

[lockyrulz]

Yep giving up on the hunter is a brilliant idea

Is it any more or less 'brilliant' then leaving a city of 2 million with one team?

Do you think the 1 or so million Qld's who don't live in Brisbane or Townsville don't support league?

Ever heard of the NSWRL?

If the argument is the Knights CAN'T compete at the NRL level, then give the license to an area/club that can. That isn't even my argument by the way, I don't know the area well enough.

If all these 'mad' league supports can't follow their team in a local comp, well they aren't that 'mad' are they? I follow the Devils all the time.

 

[beave]

If getting a 2nd Brissy team meant losing the knights, then anyone who thinks that is acceptable is a f**king idiot.

Newy deserves it's own team. Once they can get their shit together again, they will be fine. They are just going through a period that most clubs go through.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

yep

 

[adamkungl]

If getting a 2nd Brissy team meant losing the knights, then anyone who thinks that is acceptable is a f**king idiot.

Newy deserves it's own team. Once they can get their shit together again, they will be fine. They are just going through a period that most clubs go through.

Hey it's Newcastle's fans saying that it is literally impossible for them to compete in the NRL...where's that leave us?

 

[lockyrulz]

If getting a 2nd Brissy team meant losing the knights, then anyone who thinks that is acceptable is a f**king idiot.

Newy deserves it's own team. Once they can get their shit together again, they will be fine. They are just going through a period that most clubs go through.

Again, it isn't my argument... Knights fans are saying they CAN'T compete at the NRL level, not that they just need to get their shit together.

Again, they wouldn't be losing a club, they would be playing in a different comp. The team would still be there. They would still play footy.

What is f**king idiotic is thinking every area 'deserves' a team/should have a team in the NRL. It shows no understanding of how modern professional sports operate nor does it consider the fact RL is in a constant battle with other codes who aren't as hamstrung by being supported by morons who still think it's 1975.

Again, for those with reading comprehension challenges, it is not my argument. I don't know enough about the area to know if it makes sense to have an NRL license there or not.

 

[Perth Red]

Newcastle have advantages other clubs don't have, a RL mad area of 500k plus people to themselves. A very nice local stadium, a one town team, strong Jnr system.
What they don't have is quality management running the club. Until they sort that out TPA's, salary cap, overpaid players etc is just a smoke screen to their failings.

What happened to the guaranteed $20million money from Tinkler? surely they haven't burnt it already?

Crazy to suggest they shouldn't have a team when it is such a RL mad area with no other option. They just need to get their sht together and leverage off their massive fanbase and interest in the game in the region. They should have 25-30k members for starters, watch the corporates come running when they can give them access to a massive local customer base.