WA BEARS

[Iamback]

Let’s not forget defending Hostplus Qld Cup Premiers the Brisbane Tigers are also a Storm feeder club but due to a horror run of injuries in 2024 finished in 11th position.

Yes them too.

I agree that is the model Perth need but that doesn't rely on locals yet anyway

 

[Iamback]

That is interesting, I assumed nsfc would continue to manage the Sydney side of pathways with funding from Norths. Do you think they will hand it all over to the Western Bears? The funding of the 4 positions did surprise me. Wouldnt that mean the disbanding of the nsfc board and as a seperate entity?

I was thinking of dolphins and Redcliffe but I guess that’s very different. Don’t think we have actually had a scenario like this before in rugby league?

I like to look at my club because I don't know how others run.

Mav Geyer has been playing some centre in NSW Cup because Ivan wants him as the centre cover in NRL.

If you have NS and Western Bears running seperately that stuff won't happen. You need both to be on the same page.

Very likely they will have a head of pathways in Perth and guys under him running the Bears in both states.

There needs to a direction, Body type that the side recruits from

 

[Nuke]

Totally agree, is your Bear based off these two you found on the IP Australia site (below), I think the WA bid will want their own Bear, similar to the North Sydney Bear but slightly different, a Bear to call their own.
I know that the WA bid team lodged the Bear heads below because they had the lodge something and that they are still deciding on a final logo.
I think it will be something similar to what Nuke has devised, would you be able to do some different versions, I believe that they will definately use the wording style you have as it is in their newsletters and it does look good.
C’mon Nuke get to work lol.

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I started designing my mockups before I came across those. Mine are based off both the NS logos of the early 90s (the round logo) and the late 90s (the badge). The bear head emblems are a little different from eachother, by the way.
My logos took common elements from those emblems: basic head shape, front-on view, thus placement of eyes, nose, ears, mouth all align with the classic NS emblems. The placement of the shadows (the angle from which the sunlight was hitting the bear) was also a conscious decision. The mouth was pretty much just copied across from one of them with just a couple of minor alerations.

My logos were designed with the current theme of logos to be social media friendly (ie: simple, yet still unique). Those old NS logos have a shit-tonne of detail (nearly every strand of fur on their faces was depicted!), so really needed simplifying.

My logos also, for my own personal preference, need to have a hidden or subtle addition reference. In this case WA, either the shape of the state or the initials. My earlier versions had a W in one ear and an A in the other, but my final versions just had a big W on the cheek instead.

Along the way, those IP-submitted logos came out, but my thoughts, preferences, and ideas remained. The only addition to my logos since then was the wordmark, which I took directly from the NS & NRLWA press statements, presuming they're a taste of what's to come from their finalised logo.

@Centy Coast, you requested a red bear with gold outline. Well, here 'tis!

 

[Centy Coast]

I started designing my mockups before I came across those. Mine are based off both the NS logos of the early 90s (the round logo) and the late 90s (the badge). The bear head emblems are a little different from eachother, by the way.
My logos took common elements from those emblems: basic head shape, front-on view, thus placement of eyes, nose, ears, mouth all align with the classic NS emblems. The placement of the shadows (the angle from which the sunlight was hitting the bear) was also a conscious decision. The mouth was pretty much just copied across from one of them with just a couple of minor alerations.

My logos were designed with the current theme of logos to be social media friendly (ie: simple, yet still unique). Those old NS logos have a shit-tonne of detail (nearly every strand of fur on their faces was depicted!), so really needed simplifying.

My logos also, for my own personal preference, need to have a hidden or subtle addition reference. In this case WA, either the shape of the state or the initials. My earlier versions had a W in one ear and an A in the other, but my final versions just had a big W on the cheek instead.

Along the way, those IP-submitted logos came out, but my thoughts, preferences, and ideas remained. The only addition to my logos since then was the wordmark, which I took directly from the NS & NRLWA press statements, presuming they're a taste of what's to come from their finalised logo.

@Centy Coast, you requested a red bear with gold outline. Well, here 'tis!
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Very clever, I like hearing the thought process behind each logo.
More work goes into them than people think.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I started designing my mockups before I came across those. Mine are based off both the NS logos of the early 90s (the round logo) and the late 90s (the badge). The bear head emblems are a little different from eachother, by the way.
My logos took common elements from those emblems: basic head shape, front-on view, thus placement of eyes, nose, ears, mouth all align with the classic NS emblems. The placement of the shadows (the angle from which the sunlight was hitting the bear) was also a conscious decision. The mouth was pretty much just copied across from one of them with just a couple of minor alerations.

My logos were designed with the current theme of logos to be social media friendly (ie: simple, yet still unique). Those old NS logos have a shit-tonne of detail (nearly every strand of fur on their faces was depicted!), so really needed simplifying.

My logos also, for my own personal preference, need to have a hidden or subtle addition reference. In this case WA, either the shape of the state or the initials. My earlier versions had a W in one ear and an A in the other, but my final versions just had a big W on the cheek instead.

Along the way, those IP-submitted logos came out, but my thoughts, preferences, and ideas remained. The only addition to my logos since then was the wordmark, which I took directly from the NS & NRLWA press statements, presuming they're a taste of what's to come from their finalised logo.

@Centy Coast, you requested a red bear with gold outline. Well, here 'tis!
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I’ll be honest mate, I can’t get behind those eyes. Whether it’s their general shape or the red inside them, something about it throws me off.

See the below - any chance you have time to incorporate these into that face?

 

[Centy Coast]

I’ll be honest mate, I can’t get behind those eyes. Whether it’s their general shape or the red inside them, something about it throws me off.

See the below - any chance you have time to incorporate these into that face?
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I see that you have added the eyes from this IP Australia logo that was submitted, the Trump Bear, I have to admit that the eyes do look really good.
The yellow version looks like a Tiger.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I see that you have added the eyes from this IP Australia logo that was submitted, the Trump Bear, I have to admit that the eyes do look really good.
The yellow version looks like a Tiger.

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Eyes are too far apart on these logos. If they were a tad closer to eachother they would look better.

Has Peter Gough NRL ref vibes.

 

[Vee]

Good night gentlemen. Footy calls and maybe a sly beer. Go tiges. Go rabbits.

0 and 2. I was on the Tigers but neutral in the other game.

 

[Matt_CBY]

I’ll be honest mate, I can’t get behind those eyes. Whether it’s their general shape or the red inside them, something about it throws me off.

See the below - any chance you have time to incorporate these into that face?
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Those eyes make a huge difference.

I like the first of this post.

 

[Centy Coast]

Eyes are too far apart on these logos. If they were a tad closer to eachother they would look better.

Has Peter Gough NRL ref v

So you want Toby Sexton eyes lol

 

[Vlad59]

0 and 2. I was on the Tigers but neutral in the other game.

I didn’t give myself much hope

 

[Centy Coast]

0 and 2. I was on the Tigers but neutral in the other game.

I’m 3/3 atm, coming 2nd in one Footy tipping comp and 7th in another, having a good year this year usually I’m down around 33rd lol, glad I got Eels, Sea Eagles and Dolphins last weekend.

 

[Wb1234]

Indeed! Will be interesting to see what directions the Western Bears go in in terms of revenue generation outside of football. Hopefully the club is financially profitable from day 1 and can invest the surplus in other revenue raising opportunitie. With no pokies in WA I’ll be interested to see what they do. Not sure what other clubs like Storm and Knights for example have done outside of pokie dens? I know sharks bought a golf club but that had pokies in it and recently a commercial property.

Wests Newcastle are a huge pokie den

 

[Dragonwest]

I dont think 8000 registered players in WA and 3,500 in NS is an impossible ten year target. That would put the Bears catchment area on par with current panthers for registered players.

it seems participation number X $’s invested in elite pathways = nrl first grade talent?

Based on the explosion of League in the early 90s off the back of the Reds I'd be extremely disappointed if we were not 10,000 plus within 10 years.

What's Rugby WA participation rate? Now the table has turned and the best 16 year old kids will not be lost, its time to return the favour of the last 20 years.

 

[Wb1234]

Big difference is there is massive commitment from day 1 to produce our own players. It’s taken storm 20 plus years to finally get serious about that. I think within a few years if done right in WA we will probably produce more players than the NS side of the venture. I’m looking forward to hearing form the WA govt how they will will support the growth of our high school program.

Good you’ve finally admitted how poor the storm have been when it comes to juniors

 

[Nuke]

I’ll be honest mate, I can’t get behind those eyes. Whether it’s their general shape or the red inside them, something about it throws me off.

See the below - any chance you have time to incorporate these into that face?
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There you go, @Red&BlackBear.
Eyes from the IP submitted logo substituted in for you. I tried the eyes from that other logo too, but felt these ones better suited the vibe of my logo.

 

[Vlad59]

Good you’ve finally admitted how poor the storm have been when it comes to juniors

You are a broken record of endless nonsense. I actually pity you and your utter patheticness..

 

[Red&BlackBear]

There you go, @Red&BlackBear.
Eyes from the IP submitted logo substituted in for you. I tried the eyes from that other logo too, but felt these ones better suited the vibe of my logo.
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Looks great mate!

 

[MugaB]

You are a broken record of endless nonsense. I actually pity you and your utter patheticness..

He is right though, if the storm weren't actually having to engage with the local junior sides as they do now, and start to cultivating their own juniors sides, like what all the recent clubs need to do with their added slice of broadcast pie, then they wouldn't have bothered do it, they'd just keep focusing on the sunshine coast/east tigers feeder arrangements like they mostly have for the bulk of their existence (or any Seq feeder club) and just leave it to the Nrlvic to do what they could (with their oily rag funding)
Ever club has had extra funds being added to their club ensure that they develop more juniors, not just focus on 1st grade, most teams don't have to do anything coz they already have them running (Wests, Penrith, souths etc)

 

[Vlad59]

He is right though, if the storm weren't actually having to engage with the local junior sides as they do now, and start to cultivating their own juniors sides, like what all the recent clubs need to do with their added slice of broadcast pie, then they wouldn't have bothered do it, they'd just keep focusing on the sunshine coast/east tigers feeder arrangements like they mostly have for the bulk of their existence (or any Seq feeder club) and just leave it to the Nrlvic to do what they could (with their oily rag funding)
Ever club has had extra funds being added to their club ensure that they develop more juniors, not just focus on 1st grade, most teams don't have to do anything coz they already have them running (Wests, Penrith, souths etc)

In QLD and NSW the AFL instituted a specific policy with literally hundreds of millions of dollars to back it for growing participation decades ago. That’s why the game grew there. It wasn’t the Swans. It wasn’t the Lions. It was the governing body supported by the clubs nationally as they saw the long term benefits of that policy. In Victoria the $ available for development and participation was deliberately constrained by the existing clubs and the governing body through small mindedness and no vision. To blame the Storm for that ignore the facts and is self serving. The Storm were placed in a hostile market and had enough on their hands thanks. The comparison between the vision of the AFL and the small mindedness of our code over decades is an embarrassment. It’s only being rectified now. When I was on the affiliated states body the total $ committed to those states annually was 3 million dollars. That was for TAS, VIC, WA, NT and SA. That was in total to manage the game and development. It was an absolute joke. I got $20000 to restart and grow the game. And people wonder why we failed. WBs endless whinge is a crock of shit.