Western Corridor NRL bid

[Beowulf]

What evidence do you have that a second QLD side couldn't be ready by 2013 (let alone '14)? Pre-bid membership is but one aspect of the bids. One of the things I hope the NRL doesn't do is make a short sighted decision where they admit a team that is better at the current time but could be surpassed within a couple years by another. Not saying this will be the case, from an outsider's point of view though (I'm a supporter of the Red's bid but undecided on the others) it looks as though some CCB bid supporters are taking a stance of "put us in, before they get better than us".

Since the floods have hit I think this bid should definatley shift it's attentions to being more of a "second Brisbane" club, or if the Jets are unwilling to compromise being a through and through Ipswich team then another bid to be based in South Brisbane and play out of Suncorp for the foreseable future.

I was strongly of the opinion they should be calling themselves South Brisbane and targetting anti-Broncos RL supporters in Brisbane anyway. They could be based in Springfield and target most of their community work and juniors from Logan to Ipswich and play out of Suncorp Stadium. This will have to be the way it goes now if they want to get in in 2013 IMO, a new stadium in Ipswich would be fairly low on the agenda for some time now, and they have a World class stadium down the road. When the population boom is 5-10 years down the track they could look at getting a new stadium built and moving most games to the western corridor, it certainly isn't necessary though IMO.

If the Jets bid team doesn't want a bar of this then it might just be a lost cause for 2013, if so bring on the South Brisbane/Brisbane Brothers or Diehards in 2017 .

CQLD bid chief has stated they won't be ready till 2014 and Ipswich has said 2015 is their preferred start date. Both comments were made pre-floods.

 

[bobmar28]

weird name, weird logo. What has crushers and trains got to do with each other?

The cane train takes the sugar cane to the mill where it is crushed to extract the juice which is turned into sugar.

 

[bobmar28]

And how is 2014 better for QLD - neither bid area would be ready to field a team by 2014. All delaying a decision for 6 months and entry by 1 year will mean is that the only two bidders selling memberships, ie Bears and Reds, can increase their membership totals. By say Nov, the Bears will be heading towards 10,000 and the Reds towards 5,000. Given some NRL teams don't even have 5,000 members, it would be nigh on impossible for the NRL to reject those bids. Or is a free petition with 30,000 signatures including Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse going to win over the hard-nosed finance dept at the NRL! Thanks for the laugh!!!

50,000 members wouldn't change the fact that there are too many teams in NSW already.

 

[bobmar28]

I'm not worried, we are favourites and if we don't get in it will be because we are still not ready or the NRL isn't ready for a national comp, and I can live with that.

re the point I was making, I just find it very strange that I haven't seen anyone on here say that they are excited that they will get a team to support in the Jets, in fact I am struggling to recall anyone on here who has said they will become their team. Now it may be that non Broncos fans in Brissie area don;t have access to the internet or on mass boycott this forum or it may be that in fact not many people are jumping up and down with joy at the prospect of supporting the Jets in the NRL? The advocate sfor the Jets seem to be people who already support another club but see a 2nd Brissie team will be good for the NRL.

So anyone on here actually going to become a ticketed member of the Jets if they get in?

I'm sure a properly conducted poll would show that Queenslanders would vote for a fourth QLD NRL team ahead of an 11th NSW team.

Also....yes I will become a member. Even if I only get to one game a year.

 

[bobmar28]

Considering that people put in the money for memberships regardless of the price already gives you an indication that the community will buy memberships as the seasons pass and as the population grows. It's not the same thing at all because people have already thrown money at the bid. Matter of fact many of the memberships are actually the $80 ones. Not discounting the 65 foundation memberships @ 5500 a piece. We'll be right.

As for the Jets, it's never too early to engage the community especially if like the Bears there is a pre existing fan base (norths for cc and jets qrl for jets nrl bid) I would have thought the bid team would have already initiated nrl bid memberships for the existing qrl team members.

On a side note: i've renewed my qrl jets membership.

It is too early if the community is busy recovering from a devastating flood.

 

[Bro Bear]

50,000 members wouldn't change the fact that there are too many teams in NSW already.

Not too many teams in regional NSW.

Can always move Canterbury to SA since they like playing at Adelaide.

I can see Gallop - bobmar28 says there are too many teams in NSW. Gallop's thoughts - who cares about bobmar28's thoughts.

If bobmar28 had his way there would be team in Tassie - expansion in his mind. Not placing clubs where there is strength.

CC Bears and WA Reds 2013

CQLD and another QLD team 2018.

 

[PaulyTom]

where are these odds from?

They are fictitious odds. I have taken great interest in the entire bid process and have assessed each bid thoroughly.

It will be great to see who gets the new franchise.

 

[dgsfan]

Wow, is this guy serious? FMD.

 

[BuffaloRules]

playing at Adelaide.

I can see Gallop - bobmar28 says there are too many teams in NSW. Gallop's thoughts - who cares about bobmar28's thoughts.

It wont be Gallop deciding which teams come in - it will be the IC and the other clubs..

 

[Bro Bear]

It wont be Gallop deciding which teams come in - it will be the IC and the other clubs..

Regarding the Independent Commission, the ongoing policy direction and the day-to-day management of the game will be the responsibility of the eight commissioners and the NRL management team, not the NRL clubs. The clubs will not be able to overturn a decision.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Bro Bear I don't want to get in an argument about who will get in and who won't but in your sig you mentioned the CQLD Diggers. There is no way this team or any other will be called the Diggers due to the cultural and historical significance of the term. I think that bid are looking to call themselves the Bulls.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

It is too early if the community is busy recovering from a devastating flood.

To sell memberships maybe. To help out by cleaning the mud or having sausage sizzles in the streets most affected by the flood for the people cleaning up. No. Definitey many ways to engage the community. The sausage sizzle one is a great starter.

 

[BDGS]

Cowboys have had a few piss-poor seasons in a row and Titans are going through the phase where the novelty factor is wearing off, TBF they did finish the season quite strongly in regards to crowds. I garuentee you the Bears or any other new club will experience the later and probably the first one aswell. It's a very circumstancial arguement to suit your case IMO.

Broncos have much bigger crowds than any other team and there's alot of RL fans in Brisbane that don't have a local side they support.

Firstly the Broncos are not the only team in QLD and Brisbane is not the only place in QLD, therefore every Queensland club comes into the equation. The cowboys crowds have been poor due to poor performance you say? well in that case the Sharks crowds have been fantastic considering their poor form. The Bulldogs in season 2010 were very poor compared to where they were expected to finish and still after the home and away season averaged the most fans to home games then any other Sydney club and were 2nd overall. Performance has little to do with it.

50,000 members wouldn't change the fact that there are too many teams in NSW already.

Who said there were too many NSW teams? or is this just you repeating yourself yet again.

This is what the rest of Rugby League supporters are thinking:

Are there too many NSW teams already?
Not if there is a region of sufficient size that can demonstrate that it can add more value to the game by its admission than by its exclusion. The Central Coast team, if private equity can be sourced, will not be a drain on any other club finances and the companies wanting to associate with the Bears will provide bargaining power for the NRL in future TV dealmaking, benefitting all existing clubs.
The sponsors are being attracted to the Bears from outside the game, not diverted from an existing club to a new club.
The Central Coast is ready to go now. A new TV deal comes into effect in 2013. An extra game will enhance the TV revenue deal attainable if another bid team is also deemed ready to enter in 2013.
Financial pressures on NSW clubs will ease with savings achieved through the creation of an Independent Commission, increased TV rights deals plus reduced State poker machine taxes in the event of a State Coalition victory in March.
The stars will never align better for a Central Coast expansion.

I'm sure a properly conducted poll would show that Queenslanders would vote for a fourth QLD NRL team ahead of an 11th NSW team.

Go on then, i challenge you to run a properly conducted poll that everybody says it was fairly done and we'll see the results from there.

Also....yes I will become a member. Even if I only get to one game a year.

:lol: ahh a sign of a real loyal member.

It is too early if the community is busy recovering from a devastating flood.

Exactly.

It wont be Gallop deciding which teams come in - it will be the IC and the other clubs..

Gallop may get more of a say then will be revealed.

 

[Smiley]

I'm not worried, we are favourites and if we don't get in it will be because we are still not ready or the NRL isn't ready for a national comp, and I can live with that.

re the point I was making, I just find it very strange that I haven't seen anyone on here say that they are excited that they will get a team to support in the Jets, in fact I am struggling to recall anyone on here who has said they will become their team. Now it may be that non Broncos fans in Brissie area don;t have access to the internet or on mass boycott this forum or it may be that in fact not many people are jumping up and down with joy at the prospect of supporting the Jets in the NRL? The advocate sfor the Jets seem to be people who already support another club but see a 2nd Brissie team will be good for the NRL.

So anyone on here actually going to become a ticketed member of the Jets if they get in?

I won't give up my 12 game Broncos membership but I'll definitely get a 4 game membership like I currently do with the Titans.

 

[BDGS]

I won't give up my 12 game Broncos membership but I'll definitely get a 4 game membership like I currently do with the Titans.

So basically, so far we have two responses to Perth Red's question.

Both showing signs of spreading out the fan base amongst more teams rather then bringing in new fans or new members that would previous not be a member of any NRL team.

Unfortunately NRL teams can't run like that, there needs to be a large number of people that will buy 12 game ticketed memberships, that will go to every game regardless of the weather, that will support the new teams in good and bad times.

Not members of other teams that will commit to see the newest NRL franchise 4 times a year which will be seen as something like a novelty factor.

 

[Beowulf]

I'm sure a properly conducted poll would show that Queenslanders would vote for a fourth QLD NRL team ahead of an 11th NSW team.

Also....yes I will become a member. Even if I only get to one game a year.

Be careful what you wish for...

The Courier Mail did run a poll mid-1010 with the question "Would you support another side in Brisbane'. 58% said yes. Note this was a SEQ only poll.

News Ltd publications have done a few polls in the past 2 years asking 'Do you support a Central Coast Bears entry'. This went across the East Coast but mainly NSW and QLD responses (more NSW obviously but I dont have exact %). 82% said yes. Previous one was 80% or 81%.

If you asked SEQ if they wanted the Jets model iso a broader appeal 2nd side, that % would drop. If NSW people, even a small % were to vote, it would drop again.

I would be confident if you polled the RL viewing TV audience across Australia, say 55% NSW, 35% QLD, 10% rest of Australia, you would find support for the Central Coast significantly higher than that for a Jets bid. That's not to belittle a 2nd QLD bid, just pointing out that outside the Ipswich bubble, a Jets bid has limited appeal.

 

[Smiley]

So basically, so far we have two responses to Perth Red's question.

Both showing signs of spreading out the fan base amongst more teams rather then bringing in new fans or new members that would previous not be a member of any NRL team.

Unfortunately NRL teams can't run like that, there needs to be a large number of people that will buy 12 game ticketed memberships, that will go to every game regardless of the weather, that will support the new teams in good and bad times.

Not members of other teams that will commit to see the newest NRL franchise 4 times a year which will be seen as something like a novelty factor.

I don't do it for the novelty factor, I do it because I'm a fan of rugby league and Queensland rugby league.

Also for all you hater out there.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...ed-by-the-bremer/story-fn6ck6f9-1225988025537

Wolens said Jets players had been deployed to different areas of the city and fellow Queensland Cup outfit Burleigh Bears were sending a busload of players to Ipswich today.

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2011/01/15/nrl-star-ipswich-flood-clean-up-assistance-titans/

Yesterday, more than 60 players from the Ipswich Jets club cleaned the Norths Junior Rugby League club house and grounds.

Norths, which backs onto the Bremer River, was detroyed in this week’s 19.5 metre flood.

“We’ve got most of our three teams out helping whoever needs it and it’s the least we can do,” Jets Chief Executive Brad Wolens said.

“We spotted some elderley ladies struggling to get rubbish into a skip on the way to Norths, we stopped and got all the boys out to help them finish the job.”

 

[BuffaloRules]

Gallop may get more of a say then will be revealed.

Is that what your anonymous sources are telling you?

Given Gallop's track record to date I doubt it.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Regarding the Independent Commission, the ongoing policy direction and the day-to-day management of the game will be the responsibility of the eight commissioners and the NRL management team, not the NRL clubs. The clubs will not be able to overturn a decision.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ndent-commission/story-e6frexnr-1225839641786

IN an historic day for rugby league, the Australian Rugby League has finally thrown its full support behind an independent commission to run the game.
An ARL board today has formally agreed in principle to a model put forward by News Limited.
The move all but seals the introduction of a new eight-member commission to run rugby league.
News Limited and the ARL will now step aside.
An ARL statement released this afternoon said the commission would be a not-for-profit entity that will include the NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues as well as the 16 NRL clubs.

Is that a swing and a miss?

 

[BDGS]

I don't do it for the novelty factor, I do it because I'm a fan of rugby league and Queensland rugby league.

Thats good for you and good work there, but to be honest an NRL club can not survive with all their members being loyal and higher members of another NRL club.

Also for all you hater out there.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...ed-by-the-bremer/story-fn6ck6f9-1225988025537

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2011/01/15/nrl-star-ipswich-flood-clean-up-assistance-titans/

I could be wrong but isn't that the Ipswich Jets QLD Cup team, not the Ipswich NRL bid team?

Is that what your anonymous sources are telling you?

Given Gallop's track record to date I doubt it.

Nope, just going off history.