Who replaces Cappy?

[Penrose Warrior]

Whats ridiculous about my team, its based on power and speed. Your changes wont produce new positive results, any team that has a backrow of Hoffman and Mannering is going to struggle to win against any pack up the middle. Johnson is killing the warriors playing at halfback, he simply is not up to it. HE is a fullback, anyone can see that. Warriors tried to manufacture him into a Half back with him and it has failed miserably. Time to get things right.

Okay, so we're prepared to spend the next 2-3 years developing our marquee, $800k a season player into a position he's never played? I'm sure we'll be happy to eat up all that cap on someone who will have absolutely zero positional presence, to my knowledge has zero aerial impact, doesn't particularly like carting the ball up etc.

No no no no Mr Lion. That sir, is ridiculous. As is Mason Lino, whom to my knowledge is not even a dominant NSW Cup player. He couldn't make the Samoa side ahead of Farmer Brown and Pita Godinet. That's the guy you want?

As I said in another thread, the hysteria around SJ is ridiculous. He's been great for weeks/months, not doing the ridiculously flashy stuff but getting the job done. Then our forwards get bent over two weeks in a row and all of a sudden he's custard again. Please. The day we get a good coach is the day Shaun becomes NRL class. If not, then we can send the brickbats his way.

 

[Rich102]

Building the Warriors around SJ is like building the Titanic around an iceberg.

 

[Meth]

1) Johnson
2) RTS
3) Fusitua
4) Kata
5) Lolohea
6) Hingano
7) Lino or NEW SIGNING
8) Vete
9) Luke
10) Vatuvei
11) Sipley
12) Matulino (Final Warning)
13) Thompson or NEW SIGNING

14) Roach
15) Lisone + 5kg or NEW SIGNING
16) Gavet + 5kg
17) NEW SIGNING

I never thought I'd see a worse side than some of Cappy's this year, but you've outdone yourself here.

 

[Meth]

Building the Warriors around SJ is like building the Titanic around an iceberg.

Clever line.

I don't think Johnson is quite of the calibre that you can throw all of your eggs in his basket. Those kinds of players are few and far between.

In saying that, I don't quite understand the timing of this new rise of discontent with Johnson. He's been playing well.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Disagree on SJ and the Titanic, but that's opinions are for eh?

I'd prefer an analogy like there's no point building a race car and putting good tyres on it, only for it to be driven by someone yet to obtain a license.

 

[Meth]

I am still of the view btw that Cappy needs to see out his contact, for better or for worse. We made this bed. We have to lie in it now.

 

[Meth]

Disagree on SJ and the Titanic, but that's opinions are for eh?

I'd prefer an analogy like there's no point building a race car and putting good tyres on it, only for it to be driven by someone yet to obtain a license.

You'd be mad to have Johnson in the team and then not develop a lot of your play around him. He just can't be our only attacking option- especially when you have (in principle) so many potential threats across the park.

I am still of the mind that the big need for Johnson is a half decent partner. Notice how his surge in form has strangely coincided with Luke and Leuluai lifting their game.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

That's exactly right. So if/when he gets a decent partner - Ata/Foran etc - and a decent coach, then we can judge. Isn't that why he was great in the Kiwis environment?

I am still of the view btw that Cappy needs to see out his contact, for better or for worse. We made this bed. We have to lie in it now.

I'm not, and I don't believe many are. IF someone else is available of proven quality (ie not replaced with a Garth Brennan). Our premiership window is wide open for 2017 if we get it right. If we shit the bed again, we may miss it and also shed players like RTS (who has already said he wants to be an AB), Mannering (can't carry our load forever), Matulino (if he doesn't go this year) etc.

 

[Meth]

I'm not, and I don't believe many are. IF someone else is available of proven quality (ie not replaced with a Garth Brennan). Our premiership window is wide open for 2017 if we get it right. If we shit the bed again, we may miss it and also shed players like RTS (who has already said he wants to be an AB), Mannering (can't carry our load forever), Matulino (if he doesn't go this year) etc.

Fair enough, I understand that.

If we got offered Bellamy or Bennett tomorrow, send Cappy on his way...but I guess my feeling is that if we don't get our act together re honoring contracts, we'll never get a Bellamy or a Bennett.

 

[Iron Lion]

One of the biggest misconceptions in Rugby league is that the forward pack are responsible for laying on the platform for a halfback to be successful. IN fact the most important role of a good half is to provide the end results that enable a forward pack to conserve its energy, hold better field territory and provide ongoing rolling momentum. Lino is not the answer but his general game play is superior to that of Shaun Johnsons who while he does have golden play moments is by and large and broken line and gap creating runner.

Asking Shaun Johnson to run the warriors team is like asking the bartender with big tits on the titanic who has cocktail making flair to stare the titantic. Just because everyone wants to look at them doesnt mean they can do a safe enough job.

 

[JJ]

I thin we've seen that Johnson can be a very good NRL half, is excellent behind a dominant pack etc...

But he isn't the sort of player to build a team around, we need a second ball player - Hingano looks to be that man...

Then we need some go forward from a third middle forward - in my mind Thompson is the odd one out, he simply isn't as good as Hoffman and Mannering, and having three and using your wings as a middle forward when you have the ball is just geniused imo... A Merrin-like player would be huge for us. Vete, Lisone, Sipley, Lane, Gavet, Gubb - have all underwhelmed to various degrees - Vete is the goods I think, but huge questions or strikethroughs around the others

Most of all though we need a strong coach with a gameplan and a cultural shift... it's difficult though because to get a cultural shift you'd need a significant change in the roster, but (despite the crap this season) this team is built to win now/next year, we're not building like the Panthers...

I am also not into honouring contracts to poor performers just so we might lure someone good - McFadden is demonstrably not up to it... and some hard decisions need to be made around some players too

 

[Iron Lion]

I thin we've seen that Johnson can be a very good NRL half, is excellent behind a dominant pack etc...

But he isn't the sort of player to build a team around, we need a second ball player - Hingano looks to be that man...

Then we need some go forward from a third middle forward - in my mind Thompson is the odd one out, he simply isn't as good as Hoffman and Mannering, and having three and using your wings as a middle forward when you have the ball is just geniused imo... A Merrin-like player would be huge for us. Vete, Lisone, Sipley, Lane, Gavet, Gubb - have all underwhelmed to various degrees - Vete is the goods I think, but huge questions or strikethroughs around the others

Most of all though we need a strong coach with a gameplan and a cultural shift... it's difficult though because to get a cultural shift you'd need a significant change in the roster, but (despite the crap this season) this team is built to win now/next year, we're not building like the Panthers...

I am also not into honouring contracts to poor performers just so we might lure someone good - McFadden is demonstrably not up to it... and some hard decisions need to be made around some players too

Agreed clearly McFadden is not up to it, and yes this team is desperate for a true ball playing forward that can mow through the metres. The warriors are simply put victims of a ludicrous recruitment policy of workhorse type players when never in our history has our team been dynamically successful with this type of player. NZ Rugby and League has always been best served by big, gifted, athletic talent. Instead of signing work horse they should be signing and developing players like Paasi and teaching them core skills. We are not a Melbourne Storm, we are a Raiders style team. We used to select big damaging bodies and went away from that to try to become a 'professional unit'. Doesn't work here, after 5 years trying you think they would of worked it out.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Agreed clearly McFadden is not up to it, and yes this team is desperate for a true ball playing forward that can mow through the metres. The warriors are simply put victims of a ludicrous recruitment policy of workhorse type players when never in our history has our team been dynamically successful with this type of player. NZ Rugby and League has always been best served by big, gifted, athletic talent. Instead of signing work horse they should be signing and developing players like Paasi and teaching them core skills. We are not a Melbourne Storm, we are a Raiders style team. We used to select big damaging bodies and went away from that to try to become a 'professional unit'. Doesn't work here, after 5 years trying you think they would of worked it out.

agree with this

 

[Big Marn]

Agreed clearly McFadden is not up to it, and yes this team is desperate for a true ball playing forward that can mow through the metres. The warriors are simply put victims of a ludicrous recruitment policy of workhorse type players when never in our history has our team been dynamically successful with this type of player. NZ Rugby and League has always been best served by big, gifted, athletic talent. Instead of signing work horse they should be signing and developing players like Paasi and teaching them core skills. We are not a Melbourne Storm, we are a Raiders style team. We used to select big damaging bodies and went away from that to try to become a 'professional unit'. Doesn't work here, after 5 years trying you think they would of worked it out.

mcfail when he first took over put matulino in the second row and there was a good combo with chad there for a few games where mutts was quite often the first try scorer. then for whatever reasons which i cant recall, he ended back in front row again and thats where he stayed.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

This is my squad and it is based on dominating the middle.

Lets have a look...
1) Johnson - yep, he can still ball play from there and he'll probe a lot more
2) RTS - he'll have too and hes not a bad winger either
3) Fusitua - new house, new lounge, where do you put the T.V?
4) Kata
5) Lolohea
6) Hingano
7) Lino or NEW SIGNING - okay..
8) Vete
9) Luke
10) Vatuvei - this here suggests to me you are tunnel visioned when you look at players ability
11) Sipley
12) Matulino (Final Warning)
13) Thompson or NEW SIGNING

14) Roach
15) Lisone + 5kg or NEW SIGNING
16) Gavet + 5kg
17) NEW SIGNING

Hmm..do you look at Mannerings stats?

Thats just a crazy team man.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Holy shit he had Manu at prop. The rest of the shitstorm distracted me. That side would get humped for 3 years straight.

Anyway. How about we get rid of Cappy first then we'll see if the new coach doesn't rate Simon?

 

[Big Marn]

Shaun Johnsons who while he does have golden play moments is by and large and broken line and gap creating runner.

Interesting. considering prior to the Souths team he was leading the NRL in forcing goal line droputs from the opposition.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Is Cappy's contract not up at the end of the year?

 

[Diesel]

End of 2017

 

[Philip_Smith007]

End of 2017

Damn, thought it was a 3 year contract.
Took over after 6 rounds 2014!
Son of a beach ball!!!!!!
Clause for not making the top8 3 years in a row?
We will have to pay out his contract as well.